The China Thread

[LaAguilaNegra]

Serpentza and laowhy86 recently had a good breakdown on shoddy Chinese building practices, the real estate scams, the corruption & bribing and ultimately addressing the underlying immorality of Chinese society, aka noone gives a shit if you die whilst they make a handful of coins extra.

The boys use a Hebei apartment casestudy as a guiding principle, in the video below a Chinese leasee complains about her newly constructed apartment block which is showing cracks in ceiling, supporting columns, floors and walls, has cement crumbling and inner walls collapsing, and the property's garage has also sunk. The real restate developer, construction company and maintenance tried to hide it by painting it over and putting drywall against the walls. The woman is desperate because her life savings are in this tofu dreg apartment (block) and the mortgage is on her name, she has nowhere else to go.

The whole ordeal below just screams China.

China's just a never ending gift, and ridiculing the mindless deadeyed CCP drones is like shooting fish in a barrel aka the cherry on the cake. Yesterday yours truly posted a video of Chinese building 'shedding' aka half the outer layer routinely coming off, today the roof of a shopping mall comes down on half a dozen shoppers, shopping mall was opened for 3 days.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

As the west become less White, expect more of this, we have buildings and bridges collapsing at an increasing pace. And before anyone makes a big deal about the Chinese walking by dead or injured people, it happens here as well.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

 

[Cooper]

China's just a never ending gift, and ridiculing the mindless deadeyed CCP drones is like shooting fish in a barrel aka the cherry on the cake. Yesterday yours truly posted a video of Chinese building 'shedding' aka half the outer layer routinely coming off, today the roof of a shopping mall comes down on half a dozen shoppers, shopping mall was opened for 3 days.

I feel a bit cheated here, because reading your description of "the roof of a shopping mall coming down" I expected something a lot more spectacular than a bit of the ceiling peeling off on some pedestrian, talk about anticlimactic.

There are around 7.000 shopping malls in China, and if this is the worst you could find in terms of structural collapses, then I'd say they're doing OK.

The lower IQ propaganda approach is to show a footage of something bad happening in a distant place and extrapolate from that whole theses on the state of a country. Sweeping generalizations are in fact the bread and butter of propagandists for whom the tiniest anecdote or random footage is enough to press the confirmation bias button of a misinformed audience.

The more serious analyst will instead study the big picture and base his assessment on more solid ground. ironically enough it is your approach that is intellectual tofu dreg, all that is needed for the cracks to appear in your narrative is to poke a little finger at it...

So the bottom line is that in China, shopping malls have been opening at a fast pace, while they have been closing all over the West. The number of shopping malls in China has doubled in the last decade going up to 7,000, while in the US it has dropped sharply from 1,500 to 900. Malls in smaller US towns or those catering to the middle class have been particularly hit hard, yet another indication of the continued erosion in the purchasing power across the West, an the damage is even more severe in Europe than in the US.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

You are praising an adversary. And therefore that makes you a traitor.

Migrants and their offspring don't feel allegiance to the West, in fact many actively hate it and desire to undermine it. This is one of the main undercurrents that is not getting attention in explaining the thirdworldism and anti-Americanism in this thread. In a play on Kennedy's famous line, 'it's the brown/yellow/black resentment, stupid'.

The entire third world and it's fifth columns in the West run on these sentiments, which get fueled ad infinitum from Moscow, Beijing and the less centralized international Jewish hydra. Obviously there are individual exceptions to the rule, yet overall its predicament is accurate. Historical grievances are magnified, intentionally kept on life support and if necessary manufactured. Colonialism, racism and neo-imperialist oppression are obviously the big nomers, but both domestic+ foreign communists and their pet migroids have a large set of other ordnance in their arsenals to work with too. The endgoal is always the same: dismantling the 'inheritently evil West' and by extension those that are deemed responsible for creating it.

Ergo assuming that SP is European/ White is kind of a big leap already. The internet is full of brown LARPers who pose as White (nationalists) online for God knows what reason, half of Twitter's main conservative accounts are run from India. SP's disdain for European culture & peoples, ignorance on basic knowledge and history and deep and near instinctive allegiance to any non-White individual, group, entity or state - in this case a communist atheistic shithole (which domestically runs on anti-European/anti White/anti-West themes related to the Summer Palace burning, the Century of Humiliation, the Belgrade Embassy bombing, Taiwan, Nanjing Massacre, Fukushima and more), are all red flags. Hand on your heart, does this man sound like a supposedly 'White nationalist' high T male to you?

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

And before anyone makes a big deal about the Chinese walking by dead or injured people, it happens here as well.

Chinese people don't like to get upset in public or show any strong negative emotion to people, so I was surprised that over the years living there, it was only when I helped people on the street that my Chinese friends got angry with me.

In the USA and the West, apathy to someone lying injured in the street is the exception, but in China it's the norm. The worst example of this apathy was in 2011, in a city next to where I lived, Foshan, Guangdong, where the family of a 2 year-old girl, Wang Yue, also known as "Little Yue Yue," was at a large market crisscrossed by small streets tending their stall.

The girl wandered away and was struck at low speed by a vehicle, and then ignored for over an hour by a total of 18 other people, some pedestrians stepping around her, another vehicle driving over her again, as well as more driving around her. Finally, a street cleaner picked her up and took her to her mother, but she died in the hospital a couple of days later.

These two videos are not gorey, but horrendous nonetheless and not recommended as they're difficult to forget.

Spoiler: All the youtube links reqiure sign-in, but this one on the Wayback does not and you can maximize the screen.

Full Uncut Video of YueYue's Hit-and-Run in Foshan, Guangdong (Warning: Graphic)

This is a brief video about the appalling incident where (Wang) YueYue, a beautiful 2yr old little girl, was willfully ran over by two different vehicles and...

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[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Following up my previous post about Chinese apathy for injured strangers; the topic of religion is relevant to this problem.

They do this as a way to defend against Foreign Subversion and Cults from forming and taking advantage of the populace. They actually do see the sociological benefits of having religion but prefer to preserve it internally without outside interference.

This Russian Orthodox Christian says that he's lived in China for five years. He says that local folk religions are not suppressed, which is completely false. All religion is strictly controlled and I personally knew members of old Chinese folk religions who had been jailed during the Cultural Revolution in the past, as well as being heavily restricted in the present by the police despite them always obeying the law and all requests from the police. These kinds of restrictions are common place and common knowledge in China, but it's not surprising that a foreigner would say otherwise without explaining any attempts he might have made to discover the truth.

This is relevant to attempt to explain their apathy for injured strangers. Like all people, the Chinese desire God and a spiritual connection to him. Because religion was taken away from them totally for over 30 years under Mao, they are more thirsty for spiritual water than most people, but they are not allowed the natural water, like the Samaritan woman at Jacob's well (John ch. 4), but are only given fake bottled water by the CCP.

One reason why people are receptive to religious teaching is that it provides hope and optimism and its absence in China is one major factor in the pessimism of a people who are afraid to help a bleeding toddler in the street.

Jesus Christ and the good news of the Gospels is almost completely absent in China and it shows.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

^ This pro-Chinese lobby on here are looking for any type of hopium because of the dark cloud they live under. To believe that China is some great country devoid of jew banksters and the new bastion of winning due to (((their))) societal perfection which is based on atheism is peak clown world.

America has its problems for sure, but claiming China is The Answer and the winner of society without Jesus Christ by their side is demonically inspired well poisoning.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Chinese people don't like to get upset in public or show any strong negative emotion to people, so I was surprised that over the years living there, it was only when I helped people on the street that my Chinese friends got angry with me.

In the USA and the West, apathy to someone lying injured in the street is the exception, but in China it's the norm. The worst example of this apathy was in 2011, in a city next to where I lived, Foshan, Guangdong, where the family of a 2 year-old girl, Wang Yue, also known as "Little Yue Yue," was at a large market crisscrossed by small streets tending their stall.

I think you and I are talking past each other, whereas other "China bad" posters in this thread have more nefarious reasons for their posting.

I can't speak for others in this thread, but I suspect they agree with what I am about to say. Let me state this clearly for you...

China is not perfect. China is not my desired destination to live. China has plenty of problems and I am not Chinese or Asian, so their way of living in cramped conditions and working themselves into an early grave with little in return makes no sense to me at all. But I understand that is how they have evolved to be, so I don't wish to interfere with their way of living in their country.

With that said, your side keeps comparing the old west, and lets stop right there and stop calling it the "old west" and call it what it really is, which is White Nationalism with China. Yes, in White Nations people do help each other. I grew up in a 99% White community. I still live in an area that is super high % White. And people here go out of their way to help each other. It is a beautiful way of living.

The problem is, the west is no longer a White Nation, and it will soon be a complete multi-racial hellhole. And as this spreads across the west, all those nice things you take for granted in the west are disappearing. You want to post about the Chinese walking past someone who is hurt. Have you been to any major metro in the west in the last 20 years? They don't just walk past bodies, they go out of their way to kill each other over a pair of shoes, or a drug deal, or "disrespect". And this is becoming more and more common in the west and it is spreading to the burbs and to the rural area at a very quick pace.

In China they walk around an injured person and ignore them. Here, a lot of non-Whites live in areas where they go out of their way to kill each other and then refuse to work with authorities to have the person arrested and we are sitting on a ton of unsolved homicides.

Yea, China isn't my ideal place to live. But for everything you and your side point out bad about China, I can point out something far worse in the exact same topic in the west.

So, for people like me and others in this thread, our point is simple. A non-:White west has 0 future, and no wishing or praying is going to change that. China does have a future. Maybe a dystopian future, but at least they have one. And that is something we are going to have to start to take seriously if you want to change this serious issue.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

So, for people like me and others in this thread, our point is simple. A non-:White west has 0 future, and no wishing or praying is going to change that.

There's no such thing as a non-white west. The word "West" is already a bit of a sanitization, despite its longstanding use. The word "west" at this point means "rich countries". Once the non-whites take over people will lose the desire to call it the west. It will be known for what it is. Some random country full of browns, blacks, and some white people rolling around on the ground strung out. I don't have to convince you because the muslims are already capitalizing on this reality. Soon they're going to put up billboards. These are going to say "Submit to Allah, instead of drugs, case in point, this Caucasian kafir we snapped a photo of".

White people willfully made their civilization "universal". For everyone. For all cultures. For all mentalities. Since western civilization is for all, in the end it's for no one. We talk about white guilt; white people don't even want to enforce basic laws because they're "oppressive". Is this normal? Look at the "Changs" running the multicultural Singapore. A stark difference.

Someone who's not retarded might ask themselves, are white people or the "changs" doing a better job running a multicultural zoo?

Oops, Changs win again.

Yet people outright lie and tell you it's not what it literally is. This is not an observation; this is official policy. The west is already unrecognizable. Whatever comes next, will have to be a fresh start for white people. There will be no reformation.

These people don't want to admit what was lost. I watched a Korean movie the other day. I don't particularly idolize Koreans, but you know what's great about a Korean movie? In a Korean movie, there's a bunch of Koreans and they try to tell a story or a cautionary tale that is supposed to resonate with Koreans. Come to think of it, this is the appeal of Japanese anime as well. People don't tell you this outright. Their thing is theirs.

When we watch a movie, what do we see? Some weathered white person living against all odds in some multicultural shithole. Everyone he interacts with is brown and black, they always have a broken family, always alone, always experiencing some retarded adversity.
No culture, no safety, no common understanding, just survival. A lot of white morons even seem to like this subhuman reality. I recall reddit fawning over 'the road' and 'Last of us'.

The "changs" for all their faults, actually know that in China, they're going be around the Chinese doing Chinese things. It might not be fun, it might be a miserable family reunion, but at least they can rest easy that all the existential threats are on the outside. No one will harm them for being or acting Chinese. They can dedicate their energy to improving their life or participating in some fad that is distinctly Asian.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

I think you and I are talking past each other,

A few posters on this board, including in this thread, have already stated to you multiple times that you are talking past each other in a big way.

Post in thread 'The China Thread'

Saturday at 12:07 PM

You went from defending the CCP for regulating Christianity as a positive thing to "I'm sure they actually do persecute people who practice Christianity in a serious manner but so what?" real quick.

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whereas other "China bad" posters in this thread have more nefarious reasons for their posting.

What nefarious reason do you think is behind someone posting their viewpoint on China with evidence and examples from their own experience?

Would that make you a "USA/West bad" poster in this thread?

So, for people like me and others in this thread, our point is simple. A non-:White west has 0 future, and no wishing or praying is going to change that. China does have a future. Maybe a dystopian future, but at least they have one. And that is something we are going to have to start to take seriously if you want to change this serious issue.

To take "something seriously", as you put it, requires a broad understanding of the topic. I give reports with online links and personal examples from 13 years of living in China's third largest city, a manufacturing and educational center that includes people from all over China, as well as foreign countries, but I'm here to talk about China, whereas most of the "China good / USA bad" posters usually deflect and minimize with abundant tu quoque and constantly changing the topic back to the USA.

You can't be taken seriously as a commenter on China when you are not aware that they have no religious freedom, but when shown your ignorance then you pivot and say it's good that they do not.

China is not perfect. China is not my desired destination to live. China has plenty of problems and I am not Chinese or Asian, so their way of living in cramped conditions and working themselves into an early grave with little in return makes no sense to me at all. But I understand that is how they have evolved to be, so I don't wish to interfere with their way of living in their country.

If you're not interested in how the Chinese live, why are you in this thread?

With that said, your side keeps comparing the old west, and lets stop right there and stop calling it the "old west" and call it what it really is, which is White Nationalism with China.

How so? Can you give an example from this thread of someone posting critical about China and comparing it to the West? I have not seen that at all. What I see is people posting critically of China and you and others turn it around by then comparing that to the USA.

The problem is, the west is no longer a White Nation, and it will soon be a complete multi-racial hellhole. And as this spreads across the west, all those nice things you take for granted in the west are disappearing. You want to post about the Chinese walking past someone who is hurt. Have you been to any major metro in the west in the last 20 years? They don't just walk past bodies, they go out of their way to kill each other over a pair of shoes, or a drug deal, or "disrespect". And this is becoming more and more common in the west and it is spreading to the burbs and to the rural area at a very quick pace.

Why don't you post about this in one of the many threads about the decline of the West, USA, The Inexorable Decline of Chicago and Illinois, Destabilization of US Cities: Crime, Homelessness, Liberalism, Hollywood is Run Like a Satanic Cult, Latest UK Lunacy, Latest Canadian Lunacy, Latest German Madness, etc?

In China they walk around an injured person and ignore them. Here, a lot of non-Whites live in areas where they go out of their way to kill each other and then refuse to work with authorities to have the person arrested and we are sitting on a ton of unsolved homicides.

Textbook whataboutism.

Yea, China isn't my ideal place to live. But for everything you and your side point out bad about China, I can point out something far worse in the exact same topic in the west.

Do it then. Find me an example in the USA comparable to Baby Yue Yue being run over by the same vehicle twice, run over by another vehicle, and ignored by 17 other pedestrians and drivers for an hour, all caught on surveillance cameras.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

What nefarious reason do you think is behind someone posting their viewpoint on China with evidence and examples from their own experience?

I give reports with online links and personal examples from 13 years of living in China's third largest city, a manufacturing and educational center that includes people from all over China, as well as foreign countries, but I'm here to talk about China, whereas most of the "China good / USA bad" posters usually deflect and minimize with abundant tu quoque and constantly changing the topic back to the USA.

You can't be taken seriously as a commenter on China when you are not aware that they have no religious freedom, but when shown your ignorance then you pivot and say it's good that they do not.

If you're not interested in how the Chinese live, why are you in this thread?

I have not seen that at all. What I see is people posting critically of China and you and others turn it around by then comparing that to the USA.

Textbook whataboutism.

Do it then. Find me an example in the USA comparable to Baby Yue Yue being run over by the same vehicle twice, run over by another vehicle, and ignored by 17 other pedestrians and drivers for an hour, all caught on surveillance cameras.

We both know that the issue here @Cooper, so that's already a strike against you. You know why IIMT joined in.

What's nefarious is claiming Cooper is trying to brainwash the forum with CCP propaganda and constantly counter signaling him regardless of merit. The fact that you want to make the same posts as Negra is strange. Especially for someone who chose to live in a communist dictatorship for 13 years. You're going to make posts about gutter oil? A better question is why you were drinking gutter oil for 13 years.

I also like how you're appealing to the sympathetic mods here with your accusations of forum etiquette.

Since your buddy doesn't like to respond to posts, perhaps you can explain why/how the KGB and China is attacking America, what is the purpose of Cooper's propaganda, why "The century of Humiliation" is an evil anti-white concept, etc.

This will help everyone better understand why China is bad and should be invaded/blockaded. There does seem to a tacit approval on that foreign policy.

People also seem to forget that the biggest America simps are found in these "enemy" countries. They love America in China, in Russia, etc. You didn't notice that in 13 years? Everyone just wants to be friends with these psychotic Jews, but ZOG doesn't want to friends with them. You don't want to share this tidbit with the "patriots"?

 

[Cooper]

We both know that the issue here @Cooper, so that's already a strike against you. You know why IIMT joined in.

What's nefarious is claiming Cooper is trying to brainwash the forum with CCP propaganda and constantly counter signaling him regardless of merit. The fact that you want to make the same posts as Negra is strange. Especially for someone who chose to live in a communist dictatorship for 13 years. You're going to make posts about gutter oil? A better question is why you were drinking gutter oil for 13 years.

[Mod edit. Off-topic part moved to the troll's lounge]

If you are an American, and have not seen similar, and in reality far worse, then go check out the "bad area" of the urban centers in the USA.

Because those things in China do not exist in the USA or, with all the reporting, it would be easy to show them.

Complete nonsense. The "slums" in Chinese cities are nothing like the shooting grounds and blocks upon blocks of homeless encampments that you see today in most large US cities. This it what passes as a slum in Chongqing, from a video posted by Magoo one page ago:



It starts in a dirty building with a focus on its unkept courtyard, but the minute you step out on the street, you actually find pretty clean sidewalks with normal shops and restaurants on the main streets and then they plunge into busy old back alleys with small shops, and an alleged red light district that apparently doesn't really exist beyond the captions.

If this is the worst picture that the China detractors tried to gather from a city of 25 million, then I'd reckon these cities are doing pretty well...

Because those things in China do not exist in the USA or, with all the reporting, it would be easy to show them.

Show me the equivalent of this in China today.



Nearly a million homeless in the US, tens of thousands of homeless people in every big American cities, not just one spot as shown in the China video, but several entire neighborhoods across town, streets upon streets, 72,000 homeles in LA alone:

 

[Cooper]

^ This pro-Chinese lobby on here are looking for any type of hopium because of the dark cloud they live under. To believe that China is some great country devoid of jew banksters and the new bastion of winning due to (((their))) societal perfection which is based on atheism is peak clown world.

America has its problems for sure, but claiming China is The Answer and the winner of society without Jesus Christ by their side is demonically inspired well poisoning.

Yes, China runs its own monetary system and is not under globalist banker rule. There is very little inflation in China, because they don't have the equivalent of a privately-held Fed that prints money out of thin air and lends it at interest to the government.

China doesn't do 50 year mortgages, is not run by predatory hedge funds whose owners control the political system (see Trump's puppeteer Adelson, Paul Singer and other billionaires plunking $20 million to unseat Massie).

China is the closest political and economic system to 1930s Germany, a nationalist government that builds cutting edge infrastructure (high-speed rail in China, Autobahn in Germany), whose monetary system is built on labor and industrial output, not on financial speculation. Its industrial capitalism model is not unlike what we had in the West before 1913.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Bald and Bankrupt travels from the Vietnam border to Chongqing:

This is one of the best China travel videos I've seen. Was not intending to watch the whole thing, but I can see why he's got 4½ million followers. He's very positive and outgoing. Probably going to watch more of his vids.

He emphasized the good points, but also noticed and quickly mentioned the negatives of traveling in China, which is mainly that there are difficulties you don't find anywhere else, like the Alipay thing and the trouble connecting his card, as well as the lack of English.

I'd always heard Kunming was pretty laid back and I remember when the Dwarf Kingdom opened in 2009 and I was surprised not to see crowded conditions until he got to the very smoggy city of Ching Chong. Somehow other China travelers don't capture the smog on video despite it having the reputation, along with Chengdu.

You have to have an attitude like this Brit in order to have a good time traveling in China. Some people can do it and some can't. I think his feeling that Chinese are friendly has a lot to do with his own good vibes.

His tourist collection of Mandarin phrases was used very well and his pronunciation was certainly good enough to be understood. He definitely set himself up to be ripped off by that first Chinese taxi driver, to whom he handed all that money and refused its return three times while the guy was trying to tell him that the meter would give the charge. I met plenty of Chinese merchants who would have still refused that money and also some who would have done the same. Taxi drivers in China have a pretty bad reputation and this was not the worst example.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Yes, China runs its own monetary system and is not under globalist banker rule. There is very little inflation in China, because they don't have the equivalent of a privately-held Fed that prints money out of thin air and lends it at interest to the government.

Tell us more. How does it work there? What's the name of their bank? How is money created?

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

China's just a never ending gift, and ridiculing the mindless deadeyed CCP drones is like shooting fish in a barrel aka the cherry on the cake. Yesterday yours truly posted a video of Chinese building 'shedding' aka half the outer layer routinely coming off, today the roof of a shopping mall comes down on half a dozen shoppers, shopping mall was opened for 3 days.

Today a recently renovated historical city gate collapsed in Chengdu. This historic building had its crumbling facade and structural base redone, and was festivally re-opened weeks ago. Fun fact: only the renovated part came down, the historical building that was still in decent shape didn't.

After the collapse the area was immediately cordoned off and information online was getting suppressed. No words on casualties, though getting a 10 kg brick on your coconut from a 30 meter height usually doesn't bode well. China truly is living in the future.

 

[NSOE]

Tell us more. How does it work there? What's the name of their bank? How is money created?

Was gonna ask the same. They've been sending their finance types to the US and Europe to learn the ropes, and they follow the same west-developed econ theories, but with tighter controls. China, whatever their reasons, had until recently been the largest buyer and holder of US debt, financing and enabling everything in America people complain about. Investing many times over the amount of money they get through trade. Without that lifeline America could never afford her destructive welfare system and keep other detrimental policies alive.

 

[Cooper]

Today a recently renovated historical city gate collapsed in Chengdu. This historic building had its crumbling facade and structural base redone, and was festivally re-opened weeks ago. Fun fact: only the renovated part came down, the historical building that was still in decent shape didn't.

After the collapse the area was immediately cordoned off and information online was getting suppressed. No words on casualties, though getting a 10 kg brick on your coconut from a 30 meter height usually doesn't bode well. China truly is living in the future.

This happened six months ago, somebody already posted it here IIRC. Anytime something bad happens in China, the China Bad industry will cover it from every angle, and in a slower period, occasionally recycle some stories...

I bet all the buildings in your country never collapse.

Investigation underway after tiles fell from recently-repaired Fengyang Drum Tower in E.China’s Anhui - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

Was gonna ask the same. They've been sending their finance types to the US and Europe to learn the ropes, and they follow the same west-developed econ theories, but with tighter controls. China, whatever their reasons, had until recently been the largest buyer and holder of US debt, financing and enabling everything in America people complain about. Investing many times over the amount of money they get through trade. Without that lifeline America could never afford her destructive welfare system and keep other detrimental policies alive.

That's called a reserve currency.

American banking system functions as a giant ledger of world transactions, in crypto terms. American debts and payments are mostly an IOU within the American banking system, including the FED. You can tell America you want your IOU to be a treasury accumulating interest instead of cash. America will also settle the payments two countries have between each other.