The China Thread

They've actually done this with the Catholic Church where they'll push their own bishops over the ones chosen by the church and push Chinese Catholics attend state sanctioned churches.

And just to make it clear, I don't think this is a positive thing. The fact that IIMT seems to think this is a positive just further shows that whatever his religion tag says, he's ultimately a secularist and when it comes to choosing between Christianity and secular right wing/fascist politics he will always opt for the latter. I can't imagine how anyone who is an actual believer would think it's a boon for a non-Christian atheistic regime to oversee the practice of Christianity. It would be like a Orthodox thinking it is a positive for the Bolsheviks to over see the Russian Orthodox church.
It is a much better thing than what we find in 99% of the churches in the west. If you don't agree, then you stand on the side of satanic feminism, homosexuality and anti-national state/tower of Babel. If you do agree, good, how can we fix our situation and not care what China does or does not do, because we have much bigger problems over here.
 
They've actually done this with the Catholic Church where they'll push their own bishops over the ones chosen by the church and push Chinese Catholics attend state sanctioned churches.

And just to make it clear, I don't think this is a positive thing. The fact that IIMT seems to think this is a positive just further shows that whatever his religion tag says, he's ultimately a secularist and when it comes to choosing between Christianity and secular right wing/fascist politics he will always opt for the latter. I can't imagine how anyone who is an actual believer would think it's a boon for a non-Christian atheistic regime to oversee the practice of Christianity. It would be like a Orthodox thinking it is a positive for the Bolsheviks to over see the Russian Orthodox church.

They do this as a way to defend against Foreign Subversion and Cults from forming and taking advantage of the populace. They actually do see the sociological benefits of having religion but prefer to preserve it internally without outside interference.

This guy here explains including history and past events of it happening.



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Also just got told that upkeeping a decent military as a geostrategic deterrent is uhhmm well ackshually an invitation for WW3

This rule of thumb obviously doesn't apply to rogue communist bloc states.



The reason Japan doesn't have a military is because Uncle Sam said so. Now Uncle Sam seems to approve because he spent too much money turning kids into faggots around the world. Europe and Japan would naturally militarize, except they hate their own people and can't even lock up rapists, who on paper are considered pure evil according to (((our values))). Running a real economy and training men to be warriors is outside the scope of their function and desire.

Also, the word "aggression" is jew doublespeak. Maybe these words mean something to you, but people who are not retarded want to know concretely what China, or Russia for that matter, has done wrong, so we can see if they're actually making diplomatic progress in resolving these issues and living in peace with each other. Funny enough, Trump has reiterated multiple times that China is his friend, suggested their behavior is reasonable, and that friendly shithole governments [like the UK] are not ideological friends of the Republicans. Did you miss that part?

You have any other questions?
 
They do this as a way to defend against Foreign Subversion and Cults from forming and taking advantage of the populace. They actually do see the sociological benefits of having religion but prefer to preserve it internally without outside interference.

This guy here explains it.



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What you said is basically what I was going to say: that the CCP wants to manage religion in a way that benefits or at least isn't subversive to the state. For someone who is secular this is either of indifference or even a benefit but for someone who is a serious Christian I do think this can lead to pretty big issues.
 
As far as I am aware they do, though maybe they oversee it, so it doesn't become the satanic version that is organized religion in the west. In which a majority of churches are outright anti-White, take donations and spend it to bring in more violent criminals, and push homosexuality, feminism, and anti-family policies.
They allow five official religions, including Christianity, but control them strictly. Especially since Xi Jin Ping came into power, many Christian churches have been demolished, which has received wide reporting inside and outside China. There were several large churches blown up in the major city of Wenzhou, Zhejiang while I was there.




In 2006, a German boy named Bernhard Wilden, who was in graduate studies in Beijing and attending a house church, which is simply a place where Christians gather that does not have the necessary government approval required for religious worship, was arrested in the house church. Within a few hours, he was found dead on campus, obviously murdered by the police who appear to have thrown him from the roof of a nearby building.


Various human rights organization have ranked China as one of the most oppressive countries for religious freedom.


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These countries are considered the most oppressive for religious freedom, according to the US Commission on International Religious Freedom


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China continued its corrosive sinicization policy, forcing the Chinese Community Party’s (CCP)ideological agenda into every facet of religious life for Buddhists, Catholic and Protestant Christians, Muslims, Taoists, and others.

In 2024, religious freedom conditions in China remained among the worst in the world. Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leader Xi Jinping continued to lead efforts to update and enforce China’s “sinicization of religion” policy, which requires the complete loyalty and subordination of recognized religious groups to the CCP, its political ideology, and its policy agenda. February amendments to the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region Religious Affairs Regulations reinforced sinicization policy and continued to impose stringent restrictions. In March, Ma Xingrui, CCP secretary of Xinjiang, insisted on sinicizing Islam in that province, calling it an “inevitable trend.”

China continued to use high-tech surveillance outside places of worship and other means to repress religious freedom throughout the country. It also weaponized transnational repression and disinformation by using emerging technologies to quash voices critical of the country’s religious freedom and related human rights violations. Chinese authorities threatened Uyghur and Tibetan diaspora communities with surveillance, blackmail, and threats against their families living in China to force them into silence. Authorities further promoted tourism to Xinjiang to whitewash its genocidal violations there and dismiss international criticism.

In August, the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) acknowledged the lack of progress on human rights for religious minorities in Xinjiang, citing existing problematic laws and policies, limited access to information, and fear of reprisals against individuals cooperating with the United Nations (UN). Authorities continued to imprison Uyghur Muslims for their religious activities, including for charitable contributions and religious instruction. In February, 96-year-old Imam Abidin Damollam died in prison while serving a nine-year sentence for allegedly “promoting religious extremism.”

Officials persisted in restricting religious activities of Tibetan Buddhists. Authorities reportedly banned admission of new monks at a monastery in Chamdo prefecture, prohibited religious activities during Saga Dawa in Lhasa, and forced residents to remove religious symbols displayed outside their homes in Sichuan Province. Authorities closed Tibetan monastery schools and enrolled students in state-run boarding schools to forcibly assimilate them, while police arrested and imprisoned Tibetan Buddhists for public and private mentions of the Dalai Lama. Authorities indicated that they intend to interfere in the Dalai Lama’s succession process and punish Tibetans who oppose.

Chinese authorities detained, forcibly disappeared, or refused to disclose the whereabouts of underground Catholic clergy who
declined to join the state-controlled Catholic organization. Independent house church Protestants faced similar retribution from law enforcement for refusing to join the state-controlled Protestant organization, as police raided house churches and harassed, detained, fined, and imprisoned members on reportedly fabricated charges, including “fraud” and “subversion.” In January, a court sentenced Protestant Pastor Kan Xiaoyong to 14 years in prison on groundless allegations.

The government continued to target Falun Gong practitioners, the Church of Almighty God (CAG), and other unrecognized religious
groups as illegal “cults.” Falun Gong and CAG sources documented thousands of adherents—including Falun Gong practitioner Xu Na
and CAG member Mo Xiufeng—who faced arrest, imprisonment, and mistreatment, including deaths resulting from abuse in custody.

Human rights activists continued to express concerns about Hong Kong’s new national security law, Article 23, and its impact
on religious freedom. Some imprisoned Hong Kong activists have alleged that prison authorities deny them access to religious materials.
 
I'm curious what the mods think of this? Isn't this weird? @TruckDriver9

I think that both of You are no longer posting to have a conversation about China, but to prove the other wrong.
And all You can see is the mote in Your brother's eye, but not the beam in Your own.

So I would like to remind everyone about the forum rules:
1. Be humble. Always be willing to admit that anything which relies on empirical evidence (information that derives from the senses, as opposed to that which is revealed by God) may be false or not as it appears. This does not mean one cannot have sincere beliefs, but to admit that “hey, I'm only human and I cannot know everything.” Even when there is overwhelming evidence supporting one theory, it is still going to be against the forum rules to argue in circles insisting that you are right.

When discussing any empirical topic, be humble, do not assume you have all the answers, and, even if someone is wrong, be forgiving to them because it is so easy to err with perceptions.

And to give You time to think about it, I will temporarily limit posting privileges for the both of You.
@expectation and @Read_Lives_of_Saints - You will be blocked from posting in the China thread until Monday. If You disagree with my decision, write directly to @scorpion .

I will also go through the last few pages of this thread and clean it up (warning points may be dispensed), so the rest of our members can read about the topic, not about Your spat.
 
They've actually done this with the Catholic Church where they'll push their own bishops over the ones chosen by the church and push Chinese Catholics attend state sanctioned churches.

And just to make it clear, I don't think this is a positive thing. The fact that IIMT seems to think this is a positive just further shows that whatever his religion tag says, he's ultimately a secularist and when it comes to choosing between Christianity and secular right wing/fascist politics he will always opt for the latter. I can't imagine how anyone who is an actual believer would think it's a boon for a non-Christian atheistic regime to oversee the practice of Christianity. It would be like a Orthodox thinking it is a positive for the Bolsheviks to over see the Russian Orthodox church.

The problem with Christianity in China and in east Asia in general is that the well has been poisoned, and it has been used as a trojan horse to undermine and destabilize these countries:




Catholicism is more compatible with Chinese political standards as it has had a much longer presence in Asia than these modern Scofield heresies. I also seriously doubt that there are any significant restrictions on Eastern Orthodox churches in China, as they are associated with friendly countries that do not seek in any way to undermine China.
 
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It is a much better thing than what we find in 99% of the churches in the west. If you don't agree, then you stand on the side of satanic feminism, homosexuality and anti-national state/tower of Babel. If you do agree, good, how can we fix our situation and not care what China does or does not do, because we have much bigger problems over here.
This is not found in 99% of churches in the West which you would know if actually attend church and been involved in a church community. Your impressions on what church is like seems to be solely derived from what you read on social media . This is another example of how your real life isolation has left you unable to get any accurate reading of what is going on in the real world.

I'm glad you brought you once again brought up the Babel of Tower like you do many times when you want to speak 'Christianese' and give your posts the appearance of being Christian flavored. This is another example of how you adopt Christian aesthetics to help support what your actual faith is (politics) because you aren't even using the Tower of Babel of story properly to make your point. The main point of the Tower of Babel story is about man's attempt to reach God through their own ingenuity and means. God causing people to speak different languages was His way of putting an end to in the project and not any sort of commentary on globalism or multiculturalism. Those things can be criticized on their shortcomings but the Tower of Babel has nothing to do with it.
 
Catholicism is more compatible with Chinese political standards as it has had a much longer presence in Asia than these modern Scofield heresies.
I would think that as a Catholic you would want the church to be able to manage their own affairs like they do in the other countries in Asia without secular state interference - especially when the state is in China's case is officially atheistic.
 
This is not found in 99% of churches in the West which you would know if actually attend church and been involved in a church community. Your impressions on what church is like seems to be solely derived from what you read on social media . This is another example of how your real life isolation has left you unable to get any accurate reading of what is going on in the real world.

I'm glad you brought you once again brought up the Babel of Tower like you do many times when you want to speak 'Christianese' and give your posts the appearance of being Christian flavored. This is another example of how you adopt Christian aesthetics to help support what your actual faith is (politics) because you aren't even using the Tower of Babel of story properly to make your point. The main point of the Tower of Babel story is about man's attempt to reach God through their own ingenuity and means. God causing people to speak different languages was His way of putting an end to in the project and not any sort of commentary on globalism or multiculturalism. Those things can be criticized on their shortcomings but the Tower of Babel has nothing to do with it.
Yes it is. Feminism, which begats the destruction of the family unit, is a top cause in most churches in the west.

China is winning, the west is collapsing, everyone here can see this. My concern isn't what China does or does not do, my concern is what we do. And so far, most churches in the west are going right along with what is causing the collapse. Which is why China, which is truly a fascist type of state, is going to do what they can to prevent this from happening to them. We in the west will need to do the same to turn this thing around, and what I see of young men in the west, there is a chance this might happen. You mentioned the Bolsheviks, the modern-day Bolsheviks control the west via capitalism and put out their minions into our churches to ensure certain messaging.
 
Thanks for further proving what I been saying: that your worldview is ultimately secular. Fascism is a system where the state is basically God and faiths can either be submerged underneath it as junior partners or needs to be eliminated. You cheer on China exactly because it's a place where the state is God in place of God and will suffer no other Gods. At least change your Protestant tag to something else rather then continue to LARP as a Christian.
 
Thanks for further proving what I been saying: that your worldview is ultimately secular. Fascism is a system where the state is basically God and faiths can either be submerged underneath it as junior partners or needs to be eliminated. You cheer on China exactly because it's a place where the state is God in place of God and will suffer no other Gods. At least change your Protestant tag to something else rather then continue to LARP as a Christian.
You can feel good about yourself, many here message me about this though, China is winning, and that is a problem you better solve and solve very quickly if you want to continue with your view. Attack me all you want, I don't mind, it only shows that you don't have an argument against the fact China is winning.
 
Providing the most basic context on the China protest pictures you have posted by comparing their equivalents in the West is very much still about China.

Compare the comparable.
The conversation wasn't about police brutality, but about online censorship/VPN ban.
 
Real Lives brought up the subject of police brutality in China, describing it and posting several old pictures of police brutality in Tiananmen Square, linked below, to which I responded.


In the context of cracking down on online streamers.
There's a ton of examples how the west censors online speech (and there's more legislation in the making), You could use - posting some French protestors get shot by the cops has nothing to do with it.

Take I wrote earlier to heart:
 
I would think that as a Catholic you would want the church to be able to manage their own affairs like they do in the other countries in Asia without secular state interference - especially when the state is in China's case is officially atheistic.

Okay, let's try to address this elephant in the room.

Countless Churches have been politicized and are clearly afraid of lawfare, or worse, from the state or other actors. This is all assuming they're not ideologically subverted. The reason you don't see Christian persecution is because there isn't much Christian resistance to state policies. We have seen plenty of defrocking to avoid this across the western world. Religions like Islam have seen state intervention for fostering extremism. It doesn't excuse China, but I'm not going to defend Anglicans teaching the Chinese God knows what.

What guys like IIMT seem to be alluding to, is the fact that some of "our" churches are not really helping to save the west. Something people on this forum say should be saved, in its current form even. I'm not sure how someone can advocate for complete religious freedom at this point. I want muslims outright banned to start. I can also see why Hitler decided to get involved.
 
I would think that as a Catholic you would want the church to be able to manage their own affairs like they do in the other countries in Asia without secular state interference - especially when the state is in China's case is officially atheistic.

It is true that in many ways, Catholics are more free in say Japan or Taiwan than in Mainland China. I believe that there are restrictions on Christian schools in China, and that might be the main problem, in terms of Christian life in China. This being said, by no means are the restrictions on Catholics as severe as the persecution of Catholics and Protestants alike in say, India.

The point that IIMT brought up is also valid, that secular state interference has also permeated the Vatican itself since the 1960s, and ironically enough, the local Taoist version of Logos or Dao is in some ways closer to ours than the post-Vatican II heresies, a point that E. Michael Jones has mentioned.

This is a good and very relevant discussion subject that should be addressed on this thread, I will try to gather and share some good info from reliable sources.
 
In the context of cracking down on online streamers.
There's a ton of examples how the west censors online speech (and there's more legislation in the making), You could use - posting some French protestors get shot by the cops has nothing to do with it.
Take I wrote earlier to heart:
I think that both of You are no longer posting to have a conversation about China, but to prove the other wrong.
And all You can see is the mote in Your brother's eye, but not the beam in Your own.

So I would like to remind everyone about the forum rules: be humble.

Point taken brother, but Isn't pointing out the beam in our own eye literally what I did by showing RLS the situation in our own glass houses where the police shoots out people's eyes?
 
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