The China Thread

Wutang said:
They've actually done this with the Catholic Church where they'll push their own bishops over the ones chosen by the church and push Chinese Catholics attend state sanctioned churches.

And just to make it clear, I don't think this is a positive thing. The fact that IIMT seems to think this is a positive just further shows that whatever his religion tag says, he's ultimately a secularist and when it comes to choosing between Christianity and secular right wing/fascist politics he will always opt for the latter. I can't imagine how anyone who is an actual believer would think it's a boon for a non-Christian atheistic regime to oversee the practice of Christianity. It would be like a Orthodox thinking it is a positive for the Bolsheviks to over see the Russian Orthodox church.
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The problem with Christianity in China and in east Asia in general is that the well has been poisoned, and it has been used as a trojan horse to undermine and destabilize these countries:




Catholicism is more compatible with Chinese political standards as it has had a much longer presence in Asia than these modern Scofield heresies. I also seriously doubt that there are any significant restrictions on Eastern Orthodox churches in China, as they are associated with friendly countries that do not seek in any way to undermine China.
 
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It_Is_My_Time said:
It is a much better thing than what we find in 99% of the churches in the west. If you don't agree, then you stand on the side of satanic feminism, homosexuality and anti-national state/tower of Babel. If you do agree, good, how can we fix our situation and not care what China does or does not do, because we have much bigger problems over here.
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This is not found in 99% of churches in the West which you would know if actually attend church and been involved in a church community. Your impressions on what church is like seems to be solely derived from what you read on social media . This is another example of how your real life isolation has left you unable to get any accurate reading of what is going on in the real world.

I'm glad you brought you once again brought up the Babel of Tower like you do many times when you want to speak 'Christianese' and give your posts the appearance of being Christian flavored. This is another example of how you adopt Christian aesthetics to help support what your actual faith is (politics) because you aren't even using the Tower of Babel of story properly to make your point. The main point of the Tower of Babel story is about man's attempt to reach God through their own ingenuity and means. God causing people to speak different languages was His way of putting an end to in the project and not any sort of commentary on globalism or multiculturalism. Those things can be criticized on their shortcomings but the Tower of Babel has nothing to do with it.
 
Cooper said:
Catholicism is more compatible with Chinese political standards as it has had a much longer presence in Asia than these modern Scofield heresies.
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I would think that as a Catholic you would want the church to be able to manage their own affairs like they do in the other countries in Asia without secular state interference - especially when the state is in China's case is officially atheistic.
 
Wutang said:
This is not found in 99% of churches in the West which you would know if actually attend church and been involved in a church community. Your impressions on what church is like seems to be solely derived from what you read on social media . This is another example of how your real life isolation has left you unable to get any accurate reading of what is going on in the real world.

I'm glad you brought you once again brought up the Babel of Tower like you do many times when you want to speak 'Christianese' and give your posts the appearance of being Christian flavored. This is another example of how you adopt Christian aesthetics to help support what your actual faith is (politics) because you aren't even using the Tower of Babel of story properly to make your point. The main point of the Tower of Babel story is about man's attempt to reach God through their own ingenuity and means. God causing people to speak different languages was His way of putting an end to in the project and not any sort of commentary on globalism or multiculturalism. Those things can be criticized on their shortcomings but the Tower of Babel has nothing to do with it.
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Yes it is. Feminism, which begats the destruction of the family unit, is a top cause in most churches in the west.

China is winning, the west is collapsing, everyone here can see this. My concern isn't what China does or does not do, my concern is what we do. And so far, most churches in the west are going right along with what is causing the collapse. Which is why China, which is truly a fascist type of state, is going to do what they can to prevent this from happening to them. We in the west will need to do the same to turn this thing around, and what I see of young men in the west, there is a chance this might happen. You mentioned the Bolsheviks, the modern-day Bolsheviks control the west via capitalism and put out their minions into our churches to ensure certain messaging.
 
Thanks for further proving what I been saying: that your worldview is ultimately secular. Fascism is a system where the state is basically God and faiths can either be submerged underneath it as junior partners or needs to be eliminated. You cheer on China exactly because it's a place where the state is God in place of God and will suffer no other Gods. At least change your Protestant tag to something else rather then continue to LARP as a Christian.
 
Wutang said:
Thanks for further proving what I been saying: that your worldview is ultimately secular. Fascism is a system where the state is basically God and faiths can either be submerged underneath it as junior partners or needs to be eliminated. You cheer on China exactly because it's a place where the state is God in place of God and will suffer no other Gods. At least change your Protestant tag to something else rather then continue to LARP as a Christian.
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You can feel good about yourself, many here message me about this though, China is winning, and that is a problem you better solve and solve very quickly if you want to continue with your view. Attack me all you want, I don't mind, it only shows that you don't have an argument against the fact China is winning.
 
Cooper said:
Providing the most basic context on the China protest pictures you have posted by comparing their equivalents in the West is very much still about China.
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Compare the comparable.
The conversation wasn't about police brutality, but about online censorship/VPN ban.
 
Cooper said:
Real Lives brought up the subject of police brutality in China, describing it and posting several old pictures of police brutality in Tiananmen Square, linked below, to which I responded.

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Cooper said:
^Retard leftie douchebag harassed in China - LaNegra: "StOp tHe PreSSes!!11"
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Bizarre attempt to minimize a sudden and relevant example of the censorship that you and expectation had already been attempting to minimize.

Piker says in the interview that China is just another country, but it is only in countries with extreme censorship where you would be stopped in a prominent and popular location for streaming, like Tiananmen Square, and get rousted by the cops.

Communist countries are well known for such authoritarian restrictions and the irony of a communist like Piker, who in...
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In the context of cracking down on online streamers.
There's a ton of examples how the west censors online speech (and there's more legislation in the making), You could use - posting some French protestors get shot by the cops has nothing to do with it.

Take what I wrote earlier to heart:
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I'm curious what the mods think of this? Isn't this weird? @TruckDriver9
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I think that both of You are no longer posting to have a conversation about China, but to prove the other wrong.
And all You can see is the mote in Your brother's eye, but not the beam in Your own.

So I would like to remind everyone about the forum rules:
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Wutang said:
I would think that as a Catholic you would want the church to be able to manage their own affairs like they do in the other countries in Asia without secular state interference - especially when the state is in China's case is officially atheistic.
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Okay, let's try to address this elephant in the room.

Countless Churches have been politicized and are clearly afraid of lawfare, or worse, from the state or other actors. This is all assuming they're not ideologically subverted. The reason you don't see Christian persecution is because there isn't much Christian resistance to state policies. We have seen plenty of defrocking to avoid this across the western world. Religions like Islam have seen state intervention for fostering extremism. It doesn't excuse China, but I'm not going to defend Anglicans teaching the Chinese God knows what.

What guys like IIMT seem to be alluding to, is the fact that some of "our" churches are not really helping to save the west. Something people on this forum say should be saved, in its current form even. I'm not sure how someone can advocate for complete religious freedom at this point. I want muslims outright banned to start. I can also see why Hitler decided to get involved.
 
Wutang said:
I would think that as a Catholic you would want the church to be able to manage their own affairs like they do in the other countries in Asia without secular state interference - especially when the state is in China's case is officially atheistic.
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It is true that in many ways, Catholics are more free in say Japan or Taiwan than in Mainland China. I believe that there are restrictions on Christian schools in China, and that might be the main problem, in terms of Christian life in China. This being said, by no means are the restrictions on Catholics as severe as the persecution of Catholics and Protestants alike in say, India.

The point that IIMT brought up is also valid, that secular state interference has also permeated the Vatican itself since the 1960s, and ironically enough, the local Taoist version of Logos or Dao is in some ways closer to ours than the post-Vatican II heresies, a point that E. Michael Jones has mentioned.

This is a good and very relevant discussion subject that should be addressed on this thread, I will try to gather and share some good info from reliable sources.
 
TruckDriver9 said:
In the context of cracking down on online streamers.
There's a ton of examples how the west censors online speech (and there's more legislation in the making), You could use - posting some French protestors get shot by the cops has nothing to do with it.
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TruckDriver9 said:
Take I wrote earlier to heart:
I think that both of You are no longer posting to have a conversation about China, but to prove the other wrong.
And all You can see is the mote in Your brother's eye, but not the beam in Your own.

So I would like to remind everyone about the forum rules: be humble.
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Point taken brother, but Isn't pointing out the beam in our own eye literally what I did by showing RLS the situation in our own glass houses where the police shoots out people's eyes?
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
It is a much better thing than what we find in 99% of the churches in the west. If you don't agree, then you stand on the side of satanic feminism, homosexuality and anti-national state/tower of Babel. If you do agree, good, how can we fix our situation and not care what China does or does not do, because we have much bigger problems over here.
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Nah this is a bad take. You wouldn't want to be a Christian in China. Not unless you want to hide in caves. While that does foster a purer, more Biblical form of Christianity, it's not ideal. You also have the CCP cooking up their own Bible translations.

In the West, you still have much freedom to believe what you want. That freedom is being eroded, but its more than you'll get in China right now. The tradeoff is you get a lot of garbage alongside the real Christianity, but if you are a real Christian, it's still nice to not have to go totally underground because of it.
 
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GodfatherPartTwo said:
Nah this is a bad take. You wouldn't want to be a Christian in China. Not unless you want to hide in caves. While that does foster a purer, more Biblical form of Christianity, it's not ideal. You also have the CCP cooking up their own Bible translations.

In the West, you still have much freedom to believe what you want. That freedom is being eroded, but its more than you'll get in China right now. The tradeoff is you get a lot of garbage alongside the real Christianity, but if you are a real Christian, it's still nice to not have to go totally underground because of it.
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You have freedom in Christianity in the west as long as you remain anti-White and pro-feminist. If you go against these two, good luck in what the govt. decides to do to you.

With that said, it isn't what I want, or you want, it is what is. And what is, is China is beating the hell out of the west because they don't import third world people. And this isn't going to change without a major revolution against the western system. So, unless we see something major, what I want, or you want, doesn't matter, China is going to win. And after they win, they will impose their will on us, due to being the stronger civilization. At best, or they just get rid of us altogether.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
You have freedom in Christianity in the west as long as you remain anti-White and pro-feminist. If you go against these two, good luck in what the govt. decides to do to you.
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I'm not anti-white and I'm not pro-feminist and I still have freedom to believe the Gospel and go to a Bible-believing church unabated. Can't say that in China.

It_Is_My_Time said:
With that said, it isn't what I want, or you want, it is what is. And what is, is China is beating the hell out of the west because they don't import third world people. And this isn't going to change without a major revolution against the western system. So, unless we see something major, what I want, or you want, doesn't matter, China is going to win. And after they win, they will impose their will on us, due to being the stronger civilization. At best, or they just get rid of us altogether.
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I agree that the US has lost the plot and that China has their eyes on the prize. Nevertheless, this is an aside.
 
GodfatherPartTwo said:
I'm not anti-white and I'm not pro-feminist and I still have freedom to believe the Gospel and go to a Bible-believing church unabated. Can't say that in China.


I agree that the US has lost the plot and that China has their eyes on the prize. Nevertheless, this is an aside.
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The Chinese are free to believe in those things as well. The difference is, in the west, increasingly, churches are turning to anti-White/anti-family policies as they are controlled top down as well. At least the churches in China are not directed to attack their own majority population and encourage women to destroy civilization.

It is far from an "aside" it is all that matters. In the end might makes right. It doesn't matter what feels good, or sounds good, or is "fair" the most dominant civilization always rules. And as third world immigrants move into the west and spit out children, China just moves further and further beyond anything we will ever achieve. It is only a matter of time at this point, and the only stopping it is a Fascist White Nationalist uprising in the west, which I do not see happening due to numbers and lack of desire from young men.
 
GodfatherPartTwo said:
Nah this is a bad take. You wouldn't want to be a Christian in China. Not unless you want to hide in caves. While that does foster a purer, more Biblical form of Christianity, it's not ideal. You also have the CCP cooking up their own Bible translations.

In the West, you still have much freedom to believe what you want. That freedom is being eroded, but its more than you'll get in China right now. The tradeoff is you get a lot of garbage alongside the real Christianity, but if you are a real Christian, it's still nice to not have to go totally underground because of it.
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I have read somewhere ( IIRC I think I also saw a video clip) of China policemen tracking down China Christians when they tried to do prayer sessions via Zoom. They traced the IP addresses to where the Christians were and had them arrested. Have also seen videos of China churches being set on fire by the authorities or being demolished with government bulldozers.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
The Chinese are free to believe in those things as well. The difference is, in the west, increasingly, churches are turning to anti-White/anti-family policies as they are controlled top down as well. At least the churches in China are not directed to attack their own majority population and encourage women to destroy civilization.
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No. Don't tell me there aren't any underground churches in China and don't tell me that the CCP isn't working on a government-approved Bible translation of their own.
 
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