The China Thread
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It might be helpful to understand the Chinese government's attitude towards the Church by looking at Russia, where the government restricts the activities of Evangelicals:
Russia's War Against Evangelicals
Putin's Russia has led an at times brutal campaign against evangelicals inside Russia and in the occupied parts of Ukraine.
time.com
They do this because they know that Evangelicals in Russia can be used as trojan horses to undermine their country, exactly like how foreign islamic salafists fostered anti-Russian feelings in Chechnya which degenerated into the Chechnian Wars.
Absolutely, China wipes the floor of America, they will dominate the landscape very soon no doubt about it, all i see in America is people of color, disease, decay, obesity, tattoos, strange paranormal behavior, a true laughing stock of a country, purely an economic zone and a passport
The article that talks about evangelicals being murdered by government agents because they had dollars in their pockets which was interpreted as them being American spies. Just so people reading this thread are clear about your stance, you are posting this article because you think this reflects what happens in China with how they treat churches and you think this is a positive?It might be helpful to understand the Chinese government's attitude towards the Church by looking at Russia, where the government restricts the activities of Evangelicals:
Russia's War Against Evangelicals
Putin's Russia has led an at times brutal campaign against evangelicals inside Russia and in the occupied parts of Ukraine.
They do this because they know that Evangelicals in Russia can be used as trojan horses to undermine their country, exactly like how foreign islamic salafists fostered anti-Russian feelings in Chechnya which degenerated into the Chechnian Wars.
^I haven't read that article, but did hear about evangelicals being harassed in Russia and looked for a quick example - too quickly. It turns out this article is about "occupied" Ukraine, not Russia., so a poor choice to illustrate my point about Evangelicals being harassed in Russia proper. Also that article is from a very biased anti-Russian source, I wouldn't trust its content.
This below is a better synopsis, from google AI, although the picture there is also pretty biased against Russia. The fact is, there is a strong link between foreign (mostly Americans/Anglos) missionaries and the US State Dept or NGO blob. But even for those who come in earnest without any blob background or baggage, they are still going to be resented by locals because they are acting in competition with or against the local national faith.
AI Overview
Evangelicals face significant harassment in Russia, both within the country's borders and especially in Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine, as part of a systematic campaign of religious repression
. Russian authorities often align the state with the Russian Orthodox Church, viewing Protestant and other non-Orthodox faiths as "nontraditional," "American propaganda," or even "extremist".
Harassment within Russia
This below is a better synopsis, from google AI, although the picture there is also pretty biased against Russia. The fact is, there is a strong link between foreign (mostly Americans/Anglos) missionaries and the US State Dept or NGO blob. But even for those who come in earnest without any blob background or baggage, they are still going to be resented by locals because they are acting in competition with or against the local national faith.
AI Overview
Evangelicals face significant harassment in Russia, both within the country's borders and especially in Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine, as part of a systematic campaign of religious repression
. Russian authorities often align the state with the Russian Orthodox Church, viewing Protestant and other non-Orthodox faiths as "nontraditional," "American propaganda," or even "extremist".
Harassment within Russia
- "Illegal Missionary Activity" Laws: A 2016 law, part of a broader anti-terrorism package, introduced stringent restrictions on missionary activity, requiring official permission for any form of proselytizing. This has led to numerous fines and court cases against Evangelical Christians for activities as simple as distributing Bibles or Christian books, or holding worship services in private residences not officially registered as churches.
- "Extremism" Designations: While Jehovah's Witnesses were banned as an "extremist organization" in 2017, the broad and vaguely worded anti-extremism laws are also used against other non-Orthodox groups. The Russian government declared the New Generation Evangelical Christian Church an "undesirable" group, leading to the imprisonment of a pastor in 2023 for social media posts.
- Official and Public Discrimination: Local officials often discriminate against non-dominant denominations, and the state-controlled media contributes to a negative public perception.
- Denial of Rights: Some religious communities face difficulties obtaining property for worship, encounter visa complications, and have limited access to state institutions like schools, prisons, or the military.
- Anti-War Stance Persecution: Since the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, some Protestant clergy and believers have faced persecution, including fines and imprisonment, for speaking out against the war. A Baptist man, Pavel Kushnir, died in a detention center in July 2024 after being arrested for anti-war statements on his YouTube channel.
China's next 10 year objective is to double its GDP per capita by 2035. Based on the success of all their previous plans, I don't doubt they will succeed. Granted they are starting from a much lower base, around $15k per capita, but the purchasing power in China for items like food, housing, healthcare, transport or education is several multiples higher than in the West.
In the West it is very unlikely that our purchasing power will be increasing in the decade to come.
Technically it was for trespassing and setting a fire on somebody else's property. I don't mind if it was uniformly applied to all church vandals.
Watched about 10 minutes. Proves RLOS right, not that many beauties, where da 8s, 9s. and 10s at? The men also, Polykleitos, or his other two friends, would snatch his hammer and chisel to chase them away if any dared to show up at his workshop.
They did a good job if people are to live like ants in a mega city, which is the norm for E. Asia. I prefer suburban/small town living and don't like public transport, no matter how nice it is, so I'd rather live where personal transportation makes the most sense.
You need an app (Alipay) to buy anything, from your morning coffee after you wake up, until you go to sleep, WiFi and cell signal tracking seems like nothing, they know where you are at all times, how much you spend, where you've been standing, to whom you've been talking, with whom you've slept, the distances you cover.
Kudos for removing one's shoes before laying on a bench- I scoff at the people who keep their shoes-on feet on the hassocks in church.
Seems China is an open air prison meets a labor camp.
The Amish are the best bellwether for religious freedom in America- if it's good enough for them, so it is for me.
The government has been building state sanctioned Protestant churches there since the 80s. All within the state, you know the rest...
The American "colonies" of Taiwan, S.Korea, and Japan are so much better to live in.
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Will they be better to live in when the money printer of the west finally runs dry and they are on their own?
My old man would always say "he who has 'production' wins"- he meant manufacturing and agriculture a distant second, real things. Those countries have that, there will be demographic problems but humanity has dealt with that before.
The plan seems to be these countries are going to print lots of money to build sony and samsung factories stateside and will import their own products.
I don't think this is a very good plan. I'm guessing they're slated to be Chinese colonies soon. At some point it's just going to be comical. There's going to grooming gangs, and other western treats while across the pond the Chinese are going to be flying around in flying cars.
The chinese are OG asians. Its like Germany controlling Europe.
Had prior convictions too, stupid thing to do.
Come on. You don't get 15 years in jail for trespassing in a semi-public place like a church, they threw the book at him because burning the gay flag was a "hate crime". Had he grabbed and burned any other flag from that church he would have just gotten a slap on the wrist, if that.
Not if you're younger and not in the top 10%-25%, you would be faced with severe housing issues, long commutes, living in a shoebox far from the city center and having to work 2 or 3 jobs in order to try to save up for an apartment, particularly in Taiwan and S. Korea. They are on the same monetary and economic system that has created the same problem in the West, inflation, student loans, high housing costs etc. It's no surprise that Squid Game was made in Korea. China also has a youth unemployment problem, but it is a lower cost society with accessible housing.
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Throwback to the days when member @expectation attempted to sell the board the lie that China simply *poof* transformed into a real high trust society couple years back, also a *poof* total cohencidence that this 'conclusion' coincided with one of the biggest CCP propaganda campaigns on the matter in recent years. Ergo yesterday Changs went to bed in a low trust society, today Changs *poof* woke up in a high trust society, only *poof* CIA operatives would go against this rocksolid narrative.
Quoted post is legit how dumb they think their audience is, although some of the more cognitively impaired Chuds might actually swallow it hook, line and sinker. Member E. did however provide a set of arguments and reasoning to substantiate his position, and these ranged from 'this just happened blo accept it blo, absolutely tlue blo', to a totally authentic anecdote about 'his wife and her bag'.
Ergo the China high trust story is that the Chinese for three years suffered being intermittently locked up in their shoebox sized apartments, were subjected to the biggest psychological warfare operation in human history, experienced a massive economic slump, then were dealt the introduction of intrusive mass surveillance measures, were encouraged to snitch on neighbor, friend and family, and had to endure mass violations of especially bodily and mental integrity in more than way imaginable.
The Chinese people suffered all that with seemingly no end in sight, up until the Beijing apparatchiks in early 2023 suddenly announced that Covid1984 would be downgraded from the Black Death to a regular and mild seasonal disease. Out the door went Zero Covid, and in came high trust society trustmebro. Aka the battered and mentally buck broken Changs simply stepped out of their crumbling styrofoam shoeboxes, looked into the watery spring sun, put on their triple masks anyway and then collectively decided to stop being a nation of swindling, lying and thieving clowns, to morph into upstanding, morally trustworthy and high trusting folks on the spot instead. Sorry G, I got some problems believing that.
The above testimony to the simplicity of CCP hypnotizers, blind loyalty of the doped up chuddy Chang simps, and an insult of the board's collective intelligence to boot. Meanwhile the videos just keep coming. Nothing says high trust more than collapsing and slowly dying in a hospital and whilst doctors, nurses and patients alike literally climb over your helpless and perishing body. China is a zero trust society.
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The Hongqi bridge was recently completed in China. It's one of the world's highest bridges, and has been touted as an example of China's advancement and superiority.
Hongqi Bridge - HighestBridges.com
www.highestbridges.com
It just collapsed.
Edit: When I searched for the Hongqi Bridge, I got a link for the Huajiang Canyon Bridge which was also recently completed and very high. I think this bridge got a lot of attention, and the Hongqi bridge was not as famous. It's still a cautionary tale of hubris.
Serpentza and laowhy86 recently had a good breakdown on shoddy Chinese building practices, the real estate scams, the corruption & bribing and ultimately addressing the underlying immorality of Chinese society, aka noone gives a shit if you die whilst they make a handful of coins extra.
The boys use a Hebei apartment casestudy as a guiding principle, in the video below a Chinese leasee complains about her newly constructed apartment block which is showing cracks in ceiling, supporting columns, floors and walls, has cement crumbling and inner walls collapsing, and the property's garage has also sunk. The real restate developer, construction company and maintenance tried to hide it by painting it over and putting drywall against the walls. The woman is desperate because her life savings are in this tofu dreg apartment (block) and the mortgage is on her name, she has nowhere else to go.
The whole ordeal below just screams China.
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To be fair building standards worldwide have dropped a lot so its not only a Chinese phenomenon. In many western countries newly built apartment blocks are abandoned to to concrete cancer or other structural issues within 5 - 10 years of being built. The old school double brick or stone houses that could last 500 years aren't coming back any time soon. Always buy an older house if you can.
What is communism, and how is the west not "communism"?
Higher taxes in Europe than in China, lower level of public service and infrastructure, Fed/BIS-style private central banks - inflation and wealth extraction from the middle class is baked into the monetary system, resulting in steady decrease in purchasing power.
The other aspect is that "democratically-elected" leaders in the West like Macron, Starmer, Merz, Carney or even Trump work for the oligarchs who have created and funded them. Not the case in China.
The fact of the matter is, China is the closest to a fascist state we see in the world today. The fake right-wing "conservative" talking points like "they are communist" or "he is a socialist" or "we love freedom" need to die out and quickly. There is reality and there are buzzwords that mean nothing.
China calls itself a communist state, but in reality it has become an largely ethno-centric fascist state, very similar to what we saw in Europe in the 1930's and that is the reason it is growing so powerful, and will continue to grow while the west is collapsing from within.
Whereas the USA is much more a communist state, in that it is Marxism, but rather than economic class based, it is racially based. Meaning that, rather that the USA mouthing "worker" talking points, it is now racial talking points. White bad, BLM good, homosexuality good. The USA is like a dystopian version of the Bolshevik revolution and the only thing keeping our govt, either party, from recreating the gulags is outside pressure from the East making us have to remain competitive.
What's being praised is progress. Not western "progress", but actual "I built something" progress or "I put a criminal in jail" progress.
China is one of the only countries making progress. Not only are they making progress but they're a worthy civilization in themselves. Even if Chinese progress is just empty industrialization, it's praiseworthy, nonetheless.
I personally try to afford the same courtesy to western countries, but it's doubtful it's deserved.
What's truly "black pilling" is your inability to praise China. It implies that no matter how bad things get here, you will continue to be an agent of the Jew matrix. Hunkering down, enabling the system and begging the state to justify your boogieman fears. Tales of how the Soviets were generating electricity with Christian blood for 69 years. None of them ever second guessed themselves, that's how we know Russians are pure evil. They just went from Orthodoxy to barbequing Christians as if they have no soul.
You don't seem to praise any non-communist states for their progress, so I guess you will tell us how things will just work themselves out in the west because you have a good feeling. Like the Brits said in WW2, keep calm and carry on.
I guess this makes sense if you believe that white people caught the "communist" virus. Why was capitalist Germany the pioneer of trannies, as opposed to the Soviet Union? Shouldn't the capitalist system have prevented such things?
The Chinese are bad because of their ideology, right?
It wasn't ideology that doomed the west, it was the people. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Ideology doesn't kill people either. There used to be alpha male Christians, now we have limp wristed Christians. Nothing changed but the people.
You cry for the victims of communism yet remain stoic to the rivers of white blood from multiculturalism. Shouldn't you hate the "cause" of both of these things?
People will say "it's the Jews" but these same people never endorse the solutions, like remigration. They scream "it's the jews" but become absent when a small minority of passionate white men advocate "remigration" for example. Like Nick Fuentes, they will always name the Jew, to make it seem that they're based or red pilled, but constantly flip flop between blacks are animals, to blacks are actually heritage Americans.
Hypothetically speaking, if you have European blood, then you were betrayed by your own kind like all of us.
Granted, being a nazi is becoming cool again. It's cool, not because it's the hottest ideology, but because like all ideologies it's a means to an end. The salvation of the west rests on its people, not on ideology.
It's sad that in your hypothetical wish, you choose not to save the west, but the punish the crabs trying to leave the bucket.