The China Thread

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Yes, they do have heavy censorship.

They don't allow drag queens to read books to 5-year-olds about becoming transgenders. Then set up snipers and aim them at anyone who has a problem with it.

They don't allow women to go around claiming men are of no value, causing young women to have a bloated self esteem and thus wreck the institution of family.

They don't pretend to let you criticize the govt., give you police protection to do so, and then when Antifa shows up the police allow them to beat you up and then arrest you if you defend yourself.

I was never a fan of censorship, but comparing censorship in the west to China is night and day. Their censorship is designed to protect their nation-state from satanic invaders. Ours is designed to protect the satanic invaders, but give a false sense of it being allowed.

How about religious censorship? Does the CCP allow peaceful religious expression of faith, including Christianity?

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

More people are arrested in the UK alone for social media posts or holding pro-Palestine signs than dissidents get arrested in all of China.

Does China publish stats on its numbers of incarcerated?

Family members can't even find out from city police if and where their loved ones are being held.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

How about religious censorship? Does the CCP allow peaceful religious expression of faith, including Christianity?

As far as I am aware they do, though maybe they oversee it, so it doesn't become the satanic version that is organized religion in the west. In which a majority of churches are outright anti-White, take donations and spend it to bring in more violent criminals, and push homosexuality, feminism, and anti-family policies.

 

[expectation]

The first two pictures are of Chinese secret police beating people in Tiananmen before hauling them away. The last is from an Atlantic article from 2012 of the police checking the phone of a regular citizen to make sure he didn't have any dangerous Winnie the Pooh memes.

If those Winnie the Pooh Memes were so dangerous then why do they allow Shanghai Disney to operate with Winnie the Pooh costumes with impunity? I can't believe the CCP/CPC would allow this!

Surely, if @Read_Lives_of_Saints had lived in China for 10 years or had any connections there to confirm, he would've known this!

Shanghai Disney Resort Official Site

Welcome to Shanghai Disney Resort, a one-of-a-kind destination featuring Shanghai Disneyland, 2 Resort hotels, Disneytown, Wishing Star Park and much more!

www.shanghaidisneyresort.com

Let me also send some Winnie Xi memes on WeChat to my wife. Lets see my wifes phone for good measure to see if its shadow deleted. I'm sure by now that have AI to detect if I'm sending these dangerous memes! Well well well looks like I've outsmarted the Cee PeeE Cee through distribution of some dangerous memes.

 

[expectation]

I had been a member of the Rooshv for several decades now and at the time I lived in the States having never been to China. I had only cared learning redpill~ so I didn't participate much nor stumbled on to the China thread at all because I have never been.

Now I've moved overseas and am based in close proximity of China. I see this guy claiming to live in China for a decade and making some funny claims to score some internet points over arguments re: China with @Cooper . I still haven't seen @Read_Lives_of_Saints make any attempts to refute any of my points below. This is a quite an eye opener witnessing someone poisoning the minds of the readers against the actual reality of things.

I'm curious what the mods think of this? Isn't this weird? @TruckDriver9
@Thomas_Moore

Your dedication to larping your experience on this board is incredible, Read_Lives_of_Saints. You have very good creative writing skills so I'll give you that. It is also obvious that you work with LAN to cloud this forum with nonsense and I don't have time to dispel all of them for the readers here.

There are a couple of things that gave you away.
1) Your Khmer Rogue Write-up is on the Southeast Asia thread is very generic but if you were actually on the tour, you would've known the basic story behind it. Once I shared the story, you immediately disengaged with a quick 1 sentence which is uncharacteristic of your posting habits and out of fear of exposing yourself further.
2) Why would you dedicate 10 years of your life living in China while passionately disliking its food and people?
3) You reliance on Wikipedia on China which betrays your LARP. For instance, in your last post, Winnie the Pooh is not bann like it is claimed on Wikipedia. There are Disneylands in China. Unfortunately, Google is wrong on that last censorship detail but the point remains as there are physical Disneylands with Winnie the Pooh merc in China.
4) Your constant backpedaling on the VPN nonsense. I had left behind clues on that China doesn't draconically enforce VPN whenever I had time to post. This is easily google-able as well.

• Had you skim through a few of the streams like for instance Speed, you would've realized that random fans approached him throughout all the cities he visited and knowing his episodes. He had never streamed on any Chinese Platforms before that visit so if VPN was banned, how do these fans know him and his episodes so well if VPN were draconic enforced?
• The comments section obviously had Chinese posters from the Supermarket Video.
• More backpedaling, there are Mainland Chinese Youtube posters and only enforces on VPN PROVIDERS - NOT individuals. Here is a Mainlander with a channel. Your further double downing on draconic enforcement as the thread develops proves the LARP in the last page.
• A quick google search on Reddit also dispels this notion.

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[Wutang]

As far as I am aware they do, though maybe they oversee it, so it doesn't become the satanic version that is organized religion in the west. In which a majority of churches are outright anti-White, take donations and spend it to bring in more violent criminals, and push homosexuality, feminism, and anti-family policies.

They've actually done this with the Catholic Church where they'll push their own bishops over the ones chosen by the church and push Chinese Catholics attend state sanctioned churches.

And just to make it clear, I don't think this is a positive thing. The fact that IIMT seems to think this is a positive just further shows that whatever his religion tag says, he's ultimately a secularist and when it comes to choosing between Christianity and secular right wing/fascist politics he will always opt for the latter. I can't imagine how anyone who is an actual believer would think it's a boon for a non-Christian atheistic regime to oversee the practice of Christianity. It would be like a Orthodox thinking it is a positive for the Bolsheviks to over see the Russian Orthodox church.

 

[Cooper]

How about religious censorship? Does the CCP allow peaceful religious expression of faith, including Christianity?

The CCP will not sentence you to 15 years in jail for burning the gay flag.

Fifteen years in Iowa jail for burning pride flag

The Iowa man was found guilty of committing a hate crime against the Iowa gay community.

www.bbc.com

In the West, you will be arrested, harassed and face serious social and financial consequence if you dare criticize the official religions of holocaustianity and LGBQWERTY.

In China, it is true that there are strict national boundaries imposed on Christianity, and even more so on Islam, because of their long history of major upheavals set up by foreign interference, from the Taiping civil war, which devastated China (30 million dead), to the more recent radical jihadi infiltration among the Uyghurs.

This being said, almost all of what you read in the western MSM about the Uyghurs is pure BS, like the notion that there are concentration camps with 1 million Uyghurs in Xinjiang. If anything, China's approach to controlling foreign jihadi infiltration should be a model for western Europe.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

They've actually done this with the Catholic Church where they'll push their own bishops over the ones chosen by the church and push Chinese Catholics attend state sanctioned churches.

And just to make it clear, I don't think this is a positive thing. The fact that IIMT seems to think this is a positive just further shows that whatever his religion tag says, he's ultimately a secularist and when it comes to choosing between Christianity and secular right wing/fascist politics he will always opt for the latter. I can't imagine how anyone who is an actual believer would think it's a boon for a non-Christian atheistic regime to oversee the practice of Christianity. It would be like a Orthodox thinking it is a positive for the Bolsheviks to over see the Russian Orthodox church.

It is a much better thing than what we find in 99% of the churches in the west. If you don't agree, then you stand on the side of satanic feminism, homosexuality and anti-national state/tower of Babel. If you do agree, good, how can we fix our situation and not care what China does or does not do, because we have much bigger problems over here.

 

[expectation]

They've actually done this with the Catholic Church where they'll push their own bishops over the ones chosen by the church and push Chinese Catholics attend state sanctioned churches.

And just to make it clear, I don't think this is a positive thing. The fact that IIMT seems to think this is a positive just further shows that whatever his religion tag says, he's ultimately a secularist and when it comes to choosing between Christianity and secular right wing/fascist politics he will always opt for the latter. I can't imagine how anyone who is an actual believer would think it's a boon for a non-Christian atheistic regime to oversee the practice of Christianity. It would be like a Orthodox thinking it is a positive for the Bolsheviks to over see the Russian Orthodox church.

They do this as a way to defend against Foreign Subversion and Cults from forming and taking advantage of the populace. They actually do see the sociological benefits of having religion but prefer to preserve it internally without outside interference.

This guy here explains including history and past events of it happening.



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[Sandalwood Peak]

Also just got told that upkeeping a decent military as a geostrategic deterrent is uhhmm well ackshually an invitation for WW3

This rule of thumb obviously doesn't apply to rogue communist bloc states.

The reason Japan doesn't have a military is because Uncle Sam said so. Now Uncle Sam seems to approve because he spent too much money turning kids into faggots around the world. Europe and Japan would naturally militarize, except they hate their own people and can't even lock up rapists, who on paper are considered pure evil according to (((our values))). Running a real economy and training men to be warriors is outside the scope of their function and desire.

Also, the word "aggression" is jew doublespeak. Maybe these words mean something to you, but people who are not retarded want to know concretely what China, or Russia for that matter, has done wrong, so we can see if they're actually making diplomatic progress in resolving these issues and living in peace with each other. Funny enough, Trump has reiterated multiple times that China is his friend, suggested their behavior is reasonable, and that friendly shithole governments [like the UK] are not ideological friends of the Republicans. Did you miss that part?

You have any other questions?

 

[Wutang]

They do this as a way to defend against Foreign Subversion and Cults from forming and taking advantage of the populace. They actually do see the sociological benefits of having religion but prefer to preserve it internally without outside interference.

This guy here explains it.



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What you said is basically what I was going to say: that the CCP wants to manage religion in a way that benefits or at least isn't subversive to the state. For someone who is secular this is either of indifference or even a benefit but for someone who is a serious Christian I do think this can lead to pretty big issues.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

As far as I am aware they do, though maybe they oversee it, so it doesn't become the satanic version that is organized religion in the west. In which a majority of churches are outright anti-White, take donations and spend it to bring in more violent criminals, and push homosexuality, feminism, and anti-family policies.

They allow five official religions, including Christianity, but control them strictly. Especially since Xi Jin Ping came into power, many Christian churches have been demolished, which has received wide reporting inside and outside China. There were several large churches blown up in the major city of Wenzhou, Zhejiang while I was there.

Zhejiang timeline - CSW

CSW is a human rights organisation specialising in freedom of religion or belief, and as Christians we stand with all those facing injustice because of their religion or belief.

www.csw.org.uk

In 2006, a German boy named Bernhard Wilden, who was in graduate studies in Beijing and attending a house church, which is simply a place where Christians gather that does not have the necessary government approval required for religious worship, was arrested in the house church. Within a few hours, he was found dead on campus, obviously murdered by the police who appear to have thrown him from the roof of a nearby building.

The last days of his life

Various human rights organization have ranked China as one of the most oppressive countries for religious freedom.

China: Freedom in the World 2025 Country Report | Freedom House

See the Freedom in the World 2025 score and learn about democracy and freedom in China.

freedomhouse.org

These countries are considered the most oppressive for religious freedom, according to the US Commission on International Religious Freedom

https://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/2025%20USCIRF%20Annual%20Report.pdf

China continued its corrosive sinicization policy, forcing the Chinese Community Party’s (CCP)ideological agenda into every facet of religious life for Buddhists, Catholic and Protestant Christians, Muslims, Taoists, and others.

In 2024, religious freedom conditions in China remained among the worst in the world. Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leader Xi Jinping continued to lead efforts to update and enforce China’s “sinicization of religion” policy, which requires the complete loyalty and subordination of recognized religious groups to the CCP, its political ideology, and its policy agenda. February amendments to the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region Religious Affairs Regulations reinforced sinicization policy and continued to impose stringent restrictions. In March, Ma Xingrui, CCP secretary of Xinjiang, insisted on sinicizing Islam in that province, calling it an “inevitable trend.”

China continued to use high-tech surveillance outside places of worship and other means to repress religious freedom throughout the country. It also weaponized transnational repression and disinformation by using emerging technologies to quash voices critical of the country’s religious freedom and related human rights violations. Chinese authorities threatened Uyghur and Tibetan diaspora communities with surveillance, blackmail, and threats against their families living in China to force them into silence. Authorities further promoted tourism to Xinjiang to whitewash its genocidal violations there and dismiss international criticism.

In August, the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) acknowledged the lack of progress on human rights for religious minorities in Xinjiang, citing existing problematic laws and policies, limited access to information, and fear of reprisals against individuals cooperating with the United Nations (UN). Authorities continued to imprison Uyghur Muslims for their religious activities, including for charitable contributions and religious instruction. In February, 96-year-old Imam Abidin Damollam died in prison while serving a nine-year sentence for allegedly “promoting religious extremism.”

Officials persisted in restricting religious activities of Tibetan Buddhists. Authorities reportedly banned admission of new monks at a monastery in Chamdo prefecture, prohibited religious activities during Saga Dawa in Lhasa, and forced residents to remove religious symbols displayed outside their homes in Sichuan Province. Authorities closed Tibetan monastery schools and enrolled students in state-run boarding schools to forcibly assimilate them, while police arrested and imprisoned Tibetan Buddhists for public and private mentions of the Dalai Lama. Authorities indicated that they intend to interfere in the Dalai Lama’s succession process and punish Tibetans who oppose.

Chinese authorities detained, forcibly disappeared, or refused to disclose the whereabouts of underground Catholic clergy who
declined to join the state-controlled Catholic organization. Independent house church Protestants faced similar retribution from law enforcement for refusing to join the state-controlled Protestant organization, as police raided house churches and harassed, detained, fined, and imprisoned members on reportedly fabricated charges, including “fraud” and “subversion.” In January, a court sentenced Protestant Pastor Kan Xiaoyong to 14 years in prison on groundless allegations.

The government continued to target Falun Gong practitioners, the Church of Almighty God (CAG), and other unrecognized religious
groups as illegal “cults.” Falun Gong and CAG sources documented thousands of adherents—including Falun Gong practitioner Xu Na
and CAG member Mo Xiufeng—who faced arrest, imprisonment, and mistreatment, including deaths resulting from abuse in custody.

Human rights activists continued to express concerns about Hong Kong’s new national security law, Article 23, and its impact
on religious freedom. Some imprisoned Hong Kong activists have alleged that prison authorities deny them access to religious materials.

 

[TruckDriver9]

I'm curious what the mods think of this? Isn't this weird? @TruckDriver9

I think that both of You are no longer posting to have a conversation about China, but to prove the other wrong.
And all You can see is the mote in Your brother's eye, but not the beam in Your own.

So I would like to remind everyone about the forum rules:

1. Be humble. Always be willing to admit that anything which relies on empirical evidence (information that derives from the senses, as opposed to that which is revealed by God) may be false or not as it appears. This does not mean one cannot have sincere beliefs, but to admit that “hey, I'm only human and I cannot know everything.” Even when there is overwhelming evidence supporting one theory, it is still going to be against the forum rules to argue in circles insisting that you are right.

When discussing any empirical topic, be humble, do not assume you have all the answers, and, even if someone is wrong, be forgiving to them because it is so easy to err with perceptions.

And to give You time to think about it, I will temporarily limit posting privileges for the both of You.
@expectation and @Read_Lives_of_Saints - You will be blocked from posting in the China thread until Monday. If You disagree with my decision, write directly to @scorpion .

I will also go through the last few pages of this thread and clean it up (warning points may be dispensed), so the rest of our members can read about the topic, not about Your spat.

 

[Cooper]

They've actually done this with the Catholic Church where they'll push their own bishops over the ones chosen by the church and push Chinese Catholics attend state sanctioned churches.

And just to make it clear, I don't think this is a positive thing. The fact that IIMT seems to think this is a positive just further shows that whatever his religion tag says, he's ultimately a secularist and when it comes to choosing between Christianity and secular right wing/fascist politics he will always opt for the latter. I can't imagine how anyone who is an actual believer would think it's a boon for a non-Christian atheistic regime to oversee the practice of Christianity. It would be like a Orthodox thinking it is a positive for the Bolsheviks to over see the Russian Orthodox church.

The problem with Christianity in China and in east Asia in general is that the well has been poisoned, and it has been used as a trojan horse to undermine and destabilize these countries:




Catholicism is more compatible with Chinese political standards as it has had a much longer presence in Asia than these modern Scofield heresies. I also seriously doubt that there are any significant restrictions on Eastern Orthodox churches in China, as they are associated with friendly countries that do not seek in any way to undermine China.

 

[Wutang]

It is a much better thing than what we find in 99% of the churches in the west. If you don't agree, then you stand on the side of satanic feminism, homosexuality and anti-national state/tower of Babel. If you do agree, good, how can we fix our situation and not care what China does or does not do, because we have much bigger problems over here.

This is not found in 99% of churches in the West which you would know if actually attend church and been involved in a church community. Your impressions on what church is like seems to be solely derived from what you read on social media . This is another example of how your real life isolation has left you unable to get any accurate reading of what is going on in the real world.

I'm glad you brought you once again brought up the Babel of Tower like you do many times when you want to speak 'Christianese' and give your posts the appearance of being Christian flavored. This is another example of how you adopt Christian aesthetics to help support what your actual faith is (politics) because you aren't even using the Tower of Babel of story properly to make your point. The main point of the Tower of Babel story is about man's attempt to reach God through their own ingenuity and means. God causing people to speak different languages was His way of putting an end to in the project and not any sort of commentary on globalism or multiculturalism. Those things can be criticized on their shortcomings but the Tower of Babel has nothing to do with it.

 

[Wutang]

Catholicism is more compatible with Chinese political standards as it has had a much longer presence in Asia than these modern Scofield heresies.

I would think that as a Catholic you would want the church to be able to manage their own affairs like they do in the other countries in Asia without secular state interference - especially when the state is in China's case is officially atheistic.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

This is not found in 99% of churches in the West which you would know if actually attend church and been involved in a church community. Your impressions on what church is like seems to be solely derived from what you read on social media . This is another example of how your real life isolation has left you unable to get any accurate reading of what is going on in the real world.

I'm glad you brought you once again brought up the Babel of Tower like you do many times when you want to speak 'Christianese' and give your posts the appearance of being Christian flavored. This is another example of how you adopt Christian aesthetics to help support what your actual faith is (politics) because you aren't even using the Tower of Babel of story properly to make your point. The main point of the Tower of Babel story is about man's attempt to reach God through their own ingenuity and means. God causing people to speak different languages was His way of putting an end to in the project and not any sort of commentary on globalism or multiculturalism. Those things can be criticized on their shortcomings but the Tower of Babel has nothing to do with it.

Yes it is. Feminism, which begats the destruction of the family unit, is a top cause in most churches in the west.

China is winning, the west is collapsing, everyone here can see this. My concern isn't what China does or does not do, my concern is what we do. And so far, most churches in the west are going right along with what is causing the collapse. Which is why China, which is truly a fascist type of state, is going to do what they can to prevent this from happening to them. We in the west will need to do the same to turn this thing around, and what I see of young men in the west, there is a chance this might happen. You mentioned the Bolsheviks, the modern-day Bolsheviks control the west via capitalism and put out their minions into our churches to ensure certain messaging.

 

[Wutang]

Thanks for further proving what I been saying: that your worldview is ultimately secular. Fascism is a system where the state is basically God and faiths can either be submerged underneath it as junior partners or needs to be eliminated. You cheer on China exactly because it's a place where the state is God in place of God and will suffer no other Gods. At least change your Protestant tag to something else rather then continue to LARP as a Christian.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Thanks for further proving what I been saying: that your worldview is ultimately secular. Fascism is a system where the state is basically God and faiths can either be submerged underneath it as junior partners or needs to be eliminated. You cheer on China exactly because it's a place where the state is God in place of God and will suffer no other Gods. At least change your Protestant tag to something else rather then continue to LARP as a Christian.

You can feel good about yourself, many here message me about this though, China is winning, and that is a problem you better solve and solve very quickly if you want to continue with your view. Attack me all you want, I don't mind, it only shows that you don't have an argument against the fact China is winning.

 

[TruckDriver9]

Providing the most basic context on the China protest pictures you have posted by comparing their equivalents in the West is very much still about China.

Compare the comparable.
The conversation wasn't about police brutality, but about online censorship/VPN ban.