The China Thread
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Bizarre attempt to minimize a sudden and relevant example of the censorship that you and expectation had already been attempting to minimize.
Piker says in the interview that China is just another country, but it is only in countries with extreme censorship where you would be stopped in a prominent and popular location for streaming, like Tiananmen Square, and get rousted by the cops.
Communist countries are well known for such authoritarian restrictions and the irony of a communist like Piker, who in the USA calls for the murder of landlords and capitalists (protected by the 1st amendment), but then lands in his commie utopia, China, only to be immediately rousted just for milquetoast streaming, is off the charts.
Chinese citizens have been sent to the gulags and black sites for expressing their political opinions in Tiananmen Square for decades. Any Chinese doing something remotely suspicious there would at least spend some hours at the police station answering questions and I'm sure VPN laws would be strictly enforced in those cases.
Uniformed and plain clothes Chinese police routinely stop people in Tiananmen and have been caught beating them many times. They've done a good job cleaning the evidence from the web as I can no longer find the videos from the early 2000's of grannies getting kicked to the ground and thrown into vans.
The first two pictures are of Chinese secret police beating people in Tiananmen before hauling them away. The last is from an Atlantic article from 2012 of the police checking the phone of a regular citizen to make sure he didn't have any dangerous Winnie the Pooh memes.
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The Hongqi bridge was recently completed in China. It's one of the world's highest bridges, and has been touted as an example of China's advancement and superiority.
Hongqi Bridge - HighestBridges.com
www.highestbridges.com
It just collapsed.
Edit: When I searched for the Hongqi Bridge, I got a link for the Huajiang Canyon Bridge which was also recently completed and very high. I think this bridge got a lot of attention, and the Hongqi bridge was not as famous. It's still a cautionary tale of hubris.
The correct word is tofu dreg. In China stuff collapses all the time due to horrific safety standards, low construction standards, rampant corruption and bribe taking. Hence tofu dreg. The materials used are often of subpar quality too, in that sense it's like everything else that gets produced in China. Large structural bridges crumble at an average of almost 3 per month, this is going by the CCP's own previous statistics bytheway. Although nowadays this type of data doesn't get reported anymore, can't maintain the fakey 'living in the future' hype when everything around you comes down in a cloud of carcinogenic dust. That's only bridges bytheway, residential buildings, tunnels, roads, mine shafts etc are a category of itself.
A few days ago a apartment's building's support structures collapsed on one side in Hubei, flat was just hanging there at a 40 degree angle. Also a few days ago a tunnel shaft got flooded in Sichuan, over a dozen of workers are missing and the local governments have, per usual, put a cap on the information dissipation. Aka everything gets deleted off the Chang web and rest assured that these guys are dead and their families will get zero compensation.
Below is a funny picture on Chinese building practices, unless you in live in China of course, then it ain't funny.
Your dedication to larping your experience on this board is incredible, Read_Lives_of_Saints. You have very good creative writing skills so I'll give you that. It is also obvious that you work with LAN to cloud this forum with nonsense and I don't have time to dispel all of them for the readers here.
There are a couple of things that gave you away.
1) Your Khmer Rogue Write-up is on the Southeast Asia thread is very generic but if you were actually on the tour, you would've known the basic story behind it. Once I shared the story, you immediately disengaged with a quick 1 sentence which is uncharacteristic of your posting habits and out of fear of exposing yourself further.
2) Why would you dedicate 10 years of your life living in China while passionately disliking its food and people?
3) You reliance on Wikipedia on China which betrays your LARP. For instance, in your last post, Winnie the Pooh is not banned like it is claimed on Wikipedia. There are Disneylands in China. Unfortunately, Google is wrong on that last censorship detail but the point remains as there are physical Disneylands with Winnie the Pooh merc in China.
4) Your constant backpedaling on the VPN nonsense. I had left behind clues on that China doesn't draconically enforce VPN whenever I had time to post. This is easily google-able as well.
- Had you skim through a few of the streams like for instance Speed, you would've realized that random fans approached him throughout all the cities he visited and knowing his episodes. He had never streamed on any Chinese Platforms before that visit so if VPN was banned, how do these fans know him and his episodes so well if VPN were draconic enforced?
- The comments section obviously had Chinese posters from the Supermarket Video.
- More backpedaling, there are Mainland Chinese Youtube posters and only enforces on VPN PROVIDERS - NOT individuals. Here is a Mainlander with a channel. Your further double downing on draconic enforcement as the thread develops proves the LARP in the last page.
- A quick google search on Reddit also dispels this notion.
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Chuds can't help taking Ls, apparently the garden tool variety above is still rubbing the VPN stain. Heavy autism vibes, and it's quite noticeable that these commie thirdworlders and their RW chuds e-allies have trouble functioning in ecospheres where information diffusion is open, and debate barely censored.
None of the walls of cope and seethe have made the wumao predicament any more believable. Reality is simple. VPNs are illegal in China, and under Article 285 carry a maximum penalty of 3-7 years and 20000 rmb fine. VPN licenses are available for shills, international companies and botfarms. That's it.
It's really not that hard and half of these barely readable copetakes prove that point. Anyone with two braincells to rub together can hence do the math, fluent-in-English Chang influencer types who dump their sludge on YT and the likes are indeed propagandists. Yes, Chinese shills designed to work foreign audiences have access to VPNs, great point Chang thanks for your insight!
The chudtower stands tall and continues to rise. Y'all know the drill, with every chimpout another Chinese government advisory/threat against the use of VPNs gets added.
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You're not American, Canadian or Anglo, and you typically post overnight from time zones falling anywhere between eastern Europe and India. You support India and Israel, so maybe it's the latter, which also jibes with your sympathy for paganism.
I doubt that the construction standards in your 2nd or 3rd world country are anywhere near China's. China today is the world leader in civil engineering, if you refer to serious sources, as opposed to the crap from the bottom of the social media barrel that you always post. They have been building more bridges, dams, buildings etc than the rest of the world combined.
in any case, I would much, much rather have China's alleged problem of low construction standards than living in countries run by lawyers, speculators and city inspectors where nothing ever gets built due to red tape and talmudic laws, and where home ownership is inaccessible for the middle class.
More people are arrested in the UK alone for social media posts or holding pro-Palestine signs than dissidents get arrested in all of China.
The pictures that you have posted above are remarkable in two aspects:
1- they are incredibly dated, and if you have to dig 20 years in the past for pictures of people getting arrested by Chinese police, doesn't that tell you something about the lack of such events in recent times, where every citizen has a cellphone camera?
2- they are incredibly TAME by modern western standards - the ghost of Ashli Babbitt says hello! In France alone over 100 people were shot in the face and eye during the recent gilets Jaunes protests:
gilets Jaune leader Jerome Rodrigues, shot in the eye with a rubber bullet from close range:
Police brutality in Germany:
The worst part of these violent political repressions is that they are all done on behalf of ((foreign countries)) and ((banksters)) that parasite and colonize their countries, whereas in China the police in Tiananmen cracked down on foreign agents who wanted to do to China what they did to Russia in the 1990s, colonize, parasite and rob the country.
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More people are arrested in the UK alone for social media posts or holding pro-Palestine signs than dissidents get arrested in all of China.
The pictures who have posted above are remarkable in two aspects:
1- they are incredibly dated, and if you have to dig 20 years in the past for pictures of people getting arrested by Chinese police, doesn't that tell you something about the lack of such events in recent times, where every citizen has a cellphone camera?
2- they are incredibly TAME by modern western standards - the ghost of Ashli Babbitt says hello! In France alone over 100 people were shot in the face and eye during the recent gilets Jaunes protests:
gilets Jaune leader Jerome Rodrigues, shot in the eye with a rubber bullet from close range:
Police brutality in Germany:
The worst part of these violent political repressions is that they are all done on behalf of ((foreign countries)) and ((banksters)) that colonize their countries, whereas in China the police in Tiananmen cracked down on foreign agents who wanted to do to China what they did to Russia in the 1990s, colonize, parasite and rob the country.
Is there a Mandarin word for whataboutism?
Remember, this is The China thread and we're talking about censorship in China.
Providing the most basic context on the China protest pictures you have posted by comparing their equivalents in the West is very much still about China.
I do understand though that you have to resort to rules and fake message board boundaries because you have no answer whatsoever to the fact that the West has been far more violent towards its people and protestors than the Chinese.
This is simply because those who rule us hate and fear us, while in China their leaders are nationalists who look for the interests of their country. That is the very basic difference...
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No, it's not context because there is no comparison. You're off-topic to muddy the waters and you're not doing apples to apples.
In China, what they censor is allowed and expressed billions of times per day in America, which the Hassan Piker example emphasizes as he didn't even know that live-streaming was sensitive in Tiananmen Square, which he probably thought was the Chinese name for Peking duck.
And once again, Chinese wouldn't need VPN's without censorship and they wouldn't be illegal if they weren't being widely used. Arguing that China is not one of the most censorious countries in the world is a losing hand.
And fake message board boundaries? Thread topics exist as part of the basic organization of every discussion forum. You're really grasping now.
This girl needs your help, RLOS - she is trapped behind the firewall! Look at how oppressed she is! She is forced to eat low IQ African food!
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330 million arms package for Taiwan approved by the US, this particular sale is aimed at maintaining and expanding Taiwan's F16 fleet.
Not sure how the hypermasculine squarejawed CCP Chads will respond to this, usually that faux confidence turns pretty fragile when the US flexes some of its muscle. Also just got told that upkeeping a decent military as a geostrategic deterrent is uhhmm well ackshually an invitation for WW3, you totally wouldn't want that now do you might as well abolish your military what about the collapssiiiiing hospitals back home anyway.
This rule of thumb obviously doesn't apply to rogue communist bloc states. Those are outside the scope of criticism and can create nuclear deterrents, invade neighbouring countries, run excessive misinformation campaigns, engage in fifth generation warfare campaigns and pull off the biggest and fastest militarization in modern history without a speck of criticism. Totally not sus though.
Kind reminder that this rhetoric is one on one copied from KGB and GRU subversion campaigns in Europe, Europe absolutely didn't need a military deterrent or nuclear missile sites. Pacifist movements in both Europe and the US all originated in Moscow and during the Vietnam War Soviets spent more money on information campaigns in the West than on actual military aid to the Vietminh/ Vietcong.
Not surprising that our own hypermasculine Chads have fallen prey for similar contemporary narratives. Their entire alt infostream is dominated by these foreign paid subversive elements after all, and it's not like there is much room for introspection anyway.
Not sure how the hypermasculine squarejawed CCP Chads will respond to this, usually that faux confidence turns pretty fragile when the US flexes some of its muscle. Also just got told that upkeeping a decent military as a geostrategic deterrent is uhhmm well ackshually an invitation for WW3, you totally wouldn't want that now do you might as well abolish your military what about the collapssiiiiing hospitals back home anyway.
This rule of thumb obviously doesn't apply to rogue communist bloc states. Those are outside the scope of criticism and can create nuclear deterrents, invade neighbouring countries, run excessive misinformation campaigns, engage in fifth generation warfare campaigns and pull off the biggest and fastest militarization in modern history without a speck of criticism. Totally not sus though.
Kind reminder that this rhetoric is one on one copied from KGB and GRU subversion campaigns in Europe, Europe absolutely didn't need a military deterrent or nuclear missile sites. Pacifist movements in both Europe and the US all originated in Moscow and during the Vietnam War Soviets spent more money on information campaigns in the West than on actual military aid to the Vietminh/ Vietcong.
Not surprising that our own hypermasculine Chads have fallen prey for similar contemporary narratives. Their entire alt infostream is dominated by these foreign paid subversive elements after all, and it's not like there is much room for introspection anyway.
Yes, they do have heavy censorship.
They don't allow drag queens to read books to 5-year-olds about becoming transgenders. Then set up snipers and aim them at anyone who has a problem with it.
They don't allow women to go around claiming men are of no value, causing young women to have a bloated self esteem and thus wreck the institution of family.
They don't pretend to let you criticize the govt., give you police protection to do so, and then when Antifa shows up the police allow them to beat you up and then arrest you if you defend yourself.
I was never a fan of censorship, but comparing censorship in the west to China is night and day. Their censorship is designed to protect their nation-state from satanic invaders. Ours is designed to protect the satanic invaders, but give a false sense of it being allowed.
How about religious censorship? Does the CCP allow peaceful religious expression of faith, including Christianity?
Does China publish stats on its numbers of incarcerated?
Family members can't even find out from city police if and where their loved ones are being held.
As far as I am aware they do, though maybe they oversee it, so it doesn't become the satanic version that is organized religion in the west. In which a majority of churches are outright anti-White, take donations and spend it to bring in more violent criminals, and push homosexuality, feminism, and anti-family policies.
If those Winnie the Pooh Memes were so dangerous then why do they allow Shanghai Disney to operate with Winnie the Pooh costumes with impunity? I can't believe the CCP/CPC would allow this!
Surely, if @Read_Lives_of_Saints had lived in China for 10 years or had any connections there to confirm, he would've known this!
Shanghai Disney Resort Official Site
Welcome to Shanghai Disney Resort, a one-of-a-kind destination featuring Shanghai Disneyland, 2 Resort hotels, Disneytown, Wishing Star Park and much more!
Let me also send some Winnie Xi memes on WeChat to my wife. Lets see my wifes phone for good measure to see if its shadow deleted. I'm sure by now that have AI to detect if I'm sending these dangerous memes! Well well well looks like I've outsmarted the Cee PeeE Cee through distribution of some dangerous memes.
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I had been a member of the Rooshv for several decades now and at the time I lived in the States having never been to China. I had only cared learning redpill~ so I didn't participate much nor stumbled on to the China thread at all because I have never been.
Now I've moved overseas and am based in close proximity of China. I see this guy claiming to live in China for a decade and making some funny claims to score some internet points over arguments re: China with @Cooper . I still haven't seen @Read_Lives_of_Saints make any attempts to refute any of my points below. This is a quite an eye opener witnessing someone poisoning the minds of the readers against the actual reality of things.
I'm curious what the mods think of this? Isn't this weird? @TruckDriver9
@Thomas_Moore
Now I've moved overseas and am based in close proximity of China. I see this guy claiming to live in China for a decade and making some funny claims to score some internet points over arguments re: China with @Cooper . I still haven't seen @Read_Lives_of_Saints make any attempts to refute any of my points below. This is a quite an eye opener witnessing someone poisoning the minds of the readers against the actual reality of things.
I'm curious what the mods think of this? Isn't this weird? @TruckDriver9
@Thomas_Moore
They've actually done this with the Catholic Church where they'll push their own bishops over the ones chosen by the church and push Chinese Catholics attend state sanctioned churches.
And just to make it clear, I don't think this is a positive thing. The fact that IIMT seems to think this is a positive just further shows that whatever his religion tag says, he's ultimately a secularist and when it comes to choosing between Christianity and secular right wing/fascist politics he will always opt for the latter. I can't imagine how anyone who is an actual believer would think it's a boon for a non-Christian atheistic regime to oversee the practice of Christianity. It would be like a Orthodox thinking it is a positive for the Bolsheviks to over see the Russian Orthodox church.
The CCP will not sentence you to 15 years in jail for burning the gay flag.
Fifteen years in Iowa jail for burning pride flag
The Iowa man was found guilty of committing a hate crime against the Iowa gay community.
www.bbc.com
In the West, you will be arrested, harassed and face serious social and financial consequence if you dare criticize the official religions of holocaustianity and LGBQWERTY.
In China, it is true that there are strict national boundaries imposed on Christianity, and even more so on Islam, because of their long history of major upheavals set up by foreign interference, from the Taiping civil war, which devastated China (30 million dead), to the more recent radical jihadi infiltration among the Uyghurs.
This being said, almost all of what you read in the western MSM about the Uyghurs is pure BS, like the notion that there are concentration camps with 1 million Uyghurs in Xinjiang. If anything, China's approach to controlling foreign jihadi infiltration should be a model for western Europe.