The China Thread

That is exactly how communism works because there aren’t true price signals driving the process so you get this seemingly contradictory outcome.

So you can have millions of empty apartments built that are unaffordable (luxury) for the majority of Chinese (built as a store of value for wealthy speculators during the Chinese property boom which is now dead) or built in ghost cities where there are no jobs so nobody wants to live there meanwhile there are a huge percentage of people who cannot afford to buy a property.

China didn’t build affordable property in locations where people actually want to live. The properties were either in poor locations or too unaffordable for the Chinese population to buy. A classic misallocation of capital that occurs in a communist system.

Not true, for example, there has been a housing glut in most big Chinese cities recently, Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou etc, and rents in most big cities like Wuhan, Chongqing, Chengdu etc are pretty low, which means that the supply of new housing there is robust.





It is the housing market in your cities (Sydney, Melbourne) and most western cities like SF, LA, Vancouver, Toronto, Paris, London etc that is completely out of whack, due to lack of recent construction because of Boomer NIMBYism, red tape and artificially high construction costs.
 
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That city in Sichuan, Anju, doesn't look like a ghost town. There is a new industrial park with for instance the large auto plant pictured below, and several privately operated hotels there, which obviously would not exist if this was some kind of a ghost town...
I'll have to do a better job of writing because I failed to make it clear that those three photos of the government center in a town near Guangzhou, where I never saw any activity, was evidence of corruption in my opinion, and not a ghost town. I lived a few blocks from these buildings, which also had some basketball courts nearby and the whole place was at the end of the main street. I saw them almost every day for about two months and never once saw a person going in or out.

Based on everything I heard and learned over the years of how things worked in China, I concluded that the county govt gave this small town some money, so they built these in order to pretend the funds had been well spent.

Considering there was nothing going on inside, I always assumed they were just barren money pits. I mean maybe they were constructing thorium-salt reactors or something, so it was just all top secret, but I think the obvious conclusion is more likely, lol. I visited new govt buildings in the county seat and they looked like those on the outside (everything looks the same in China), but there were endless streams of people going in and out, which is normal.

Around those small town govt buildings there were small houses, mostly 2-storey without rooves, that are similar to the photo I found online from Sichuan, however the real "houses" contributing to the 90% ownership rate were actually worse. I concluded the reason for there being so many unfinished and unlivable houses after 10 years close to those buildings was that they were used to claim compensation from the construction projects.

I simply never took pictures of the actual unfinished homes because they were so ugly it would have broken my camera, lol. That's why I grabbed one off the net, which was not perfectly clear from my last post.
 
Not true, for example, there has been a housing glut in most big Chinese cities recently, Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou etc, and rents in most big cities like Wuhan, Chongqing, Chengdu etc are pretty low, which means that the supply of new housing there is robust.
I haven't been looking closely at housing costs in China for seven years. There are temporary rises and falls. If new housing prices are down a little bit, that's down from a long-term upward trend that existed all the years I lived there. However, it's not the same as to say prices are actually low, implying they are low in comparison to one's salary & purchasing power. My experience was that Chinese like to spend about 1/4 of their gross income on housing compared to Americans for whom it was around 1/3.

Can you actually make the case that the Chinese housing and rental prices are low? Or are they just lower than last year?



This short video has no details, like how many square meters, how old the building is, what city he's in, and how far out he is from the city center.

$160 USD/month is about 1000 RMB, which was what I might have paid in the outskirts of Guangzhou in 2011 for something that size, I'm guessing 30 square meters. If your job is not too far from your apartment and your life works living on the edges of the city, then this might be for you. If you have to spend a couple of hours a day on packed subway trains, you won't make it.

That looks like a reasonably nice Chinese apartment. It's small, but livable for one person who doesn't want to entertain. Notice the burglar bars everywhere, so it could be Guangzhou or really anywhere in Guangdong.

The view looks nice from the window and I lived in apartment complexes like that in Guangzhou, but when you walk outside you'll find many problems. If the pool is swimmable, and often they're not, it's expensive, like 25 RMB per time and the yearly plan is not cheap either.

It would be exceptionally rare if the landscaping in the common area was arranged in a way so that you could enjoy being there. I never saw an example of that (all my time was in Guangzhou and Shenzhen), whereas every place I or friends lived had common areas that were literally repulsive and you would never do anything but walk through them as quickly as possible in order to get inside your apartment and away from the other people, noise, pollution and smell.

Anecdotal, but one of my Chinese friends moved from Guangzhou to Beijing around 2010 in order to go to graduate school and he had to take a really shitty shared apartment, then one day it caught fire and he was burned to death while showering. The kinds of places where most working-class Chinese rent are not in any of these "Isn't China great?" promotional type videos that foreigners put on youtube, who easily earn 3-5x what a local degreed professional makes while working 50% of their hours, or less.

A little more than half of the apartments I lived in flooded because of bad pipes and that problem was common to everyone I knew, as well as other problems. Chinese doors always have problems and I knew a few foreigners who got locked inside their apartments, in the bathroom or bedroom because the door handles failed. A buddy was locked inside his bedroom and his phone was in the living room, so after hours of waiting, he had to spider man into the bathroom and then call for help.

When Chinese people buy an apartment/condo, they almost always gut the entire place because they don't trust the materials used in the previous decoration, such as cabinets, wall facades, paint, etc., which were likely extremely toxic and/or covered in cooking oil residue, so they redo it all.

One of the main sources of noise living in a Chinese house/apartment/condo is the continual demolition of apartments around you being redecorated. Jackhammers go almost non-stop from 6AM - midnight somewhere close enough in your building to be disturbing for several weeks, then pause for a week or two, and then return; the pattern is then repeated until you move. It's one of the perennial complaints of foreigners, who find it maddening because it's impossible to get used to the noise however, Chinese are inured to many of these sensory phenomenon.

If there are no jackhammers, unless you're more than 20 stories up, which was the only time I escaped this problem, Chinese people walking through the courtyard will make enough noise to disturb or wake you at all hours if your windows are open. You might not think two men walking together nine floors down at 3 AM would need to speak to each other at 110 dB, and you would be wrong.



Nice looking apartment near the lake. 3000 RMB for that size and location is much cheaper than what I would have paid in Guangzhou, which doesn't have a central lake, but for a desirable location it would have been at least twice that. Not sure how new her building is and her amenities, but I could have paid 6000-8000 RMB/month for a newer place that size in Guanghzou in 2018 in the best parts of town.

Now for the tough love. She said the area where she lives around the lake is "clean and quiet." Forgive me, but she is not speaking the truth and I can guess the reason: she's pregnant and wants to see the cup half full, which is understandable.

The fact is that there is nowhere in mainland China with apartment complexes that is clean and quiet. It does not exist. China is extremely dirty from the pollution and noisy from the construction, and also from the Chinese people themselves, who are dirty and noisy. She is coping hard.
 
I'll have to do a better job of writing because I failed to make it clear that those three photos of the government center in a town near Guangzhou, where I never saw any activity, was evidence of corruption in my opinion, and not a ghost town. I lived a few blocks from these buildings, which also had some basketball courts nearby and the whole place was at the end of the main street. I saw them almost every day for about two months and never once saw a person going in or out.

Based on everything I heard and learned over the years of how things worked in China, I concluded that the county govt gave this small town some money, so they built these in order to pretend the funds had been well spent.

Considering there was nothing going on inside, I always assumed they were just barren money pits. I mean maybe they were constructing thorium-salt reactors or something, so it was just all top secret, but I think the obvious conclusion is more likely, lol. I visited new govt buildings in the county seat and they looked like those on the outside (everything looks the same in China), but there were endless streams of people going in and out, which is normal.

The picture of the administrative building you have posted and claimed was abandoned has many open windows, which indicates that it is occupied. Other pictures of the same buildings shows cars pulling up or parked in front of the building and half of the windows open in a random pattern.

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Around those small town govt buildings there were small houses, mostly 2-storey without rooves, that are similar to the photo I found online from Sichuan, however the real "houses" contributing to the 90% ownership rate were actually worse. I concluded the reason for there being so many unfinished and unlivable houses after 10 years close to those buildings was that they were used to claim compensation from the construction projects.

I simply never took pictures of the actual unfinished homes because they were so ugly it would have broken my camera, lol. That's why I grabbed one off the net, which was not perfectly clear from my last post.

I have next to zero experience and familiarity with rural China having stayed mainly in the cities there other than in Hong Kong and Taiwan where I did tour the local countryside, but from the videos I have seen of expats visiting their local inlaws homesteads in the country, people there tend to live in tribal, multigenerational family dwelling settings, with younger people building their own homes nearby. Those tend to be projects done over years or even decades in anticipation of these rural people returning from the city to retire there.
 
I haven't been looking closely at housing costs in China for seven years. There are temporary rises and falls. If new housing prices are down a little bit, that's down from a long-term upward trend that existed all the years I lived there. However, it's not the same as to say prices are actually low, implying they are low in comparison to one's salary & purchasing power. My experience was that Chinese like to spend about 1/4 of their gross income on housing compared to Americans for whom it was around 1/3.

Can you actually make the case that the Chinese housing and rental prices are low? Or are they just lower than last year?

This short video has no details, like how many square meters, how old the building is, what city he's in, and how far out he is from the city center.

$160 USD/month is about 1000 RMB, which was what I might have paid in the outskirts of Guangzhou in 2011 for something that size, I'm guessing 30 square meters. If your job is not too far from your apartment and your life works living on the edges of the city, then this might be for you. If you have to spend a couple of hours a day on packed subway trains, you won't make it.

That looks like a reasonably nice Chinese apartment. It's small, but livable for one person who doesn't want to entertain. Notice the burglar bars everywhere, so it could be Guangzhou or really anywhere in Guangdong.

The view looks nice from the window and I lived in apartment complexes like that in Guangzhou, but when you walk outside you'll find many problems. If the pool is swimmable, and often they're not, it's expensive, like 25 RMB per time and the yearly plan is not cheap either.

It would be exceptionally rare if the landscaping in the common area was arranged in a way so that you could enjoy being there. I never saw an example of that (all my time was in Guangzhou and Shenzhen), whereas every place I or friends lived had common areas that were literally repulsive and you would never do anything but walk through them as quickly as possible in order to get inside your apartment and away from the other people, noise, pollution and smell.

Anecdotal, but one of my Chinese friends moved from Guangzhou to Beijing around 2010 in order to go to graduate school and he had to take a really shitty shared apartment, then one day it caught fire and he was burned to death while showering. The kinds of places where most working-class Chinese rent are not in any of these "Isn't China great?" promotional type videos that foreigners put on youtube, who easily earn 3-5x what a local degreed professional makes while working 50% of their hours, or less.

A little more than half of the apartments I lived in flooded because of bad pipes and that problem was common to everyone I knew, as well as other problems. Chinese doors always have problems and I knew a few foreigners who got locked inside their apartments, in the bathroom or bedroom because the door handles failed. A buddy was locked inside his bedroom and his phone was in the living room, so after hours of waiting, he had to spider man into the bathroom and then call for help.

When Chinese people buy an apartment/condo, they almost always gut the entire place because they don't trust the materials used in the previous decoration, such as cabinets, wall facades, paint, etc., which were likely extremely toxic and/or covered in cooking oil residue, so they redo it all.

One of the main sources of noise living in a Chinese house/apartment/condo is the continual demolition of apartments around you being redecorated. Jackhammers go almost non-stop from 6AM - midnight somewhere close enough in your building to be disturbing for several weeks, then pause for a week or two, and then return; the pattern is then repeated until you move. It's one of the perennial complaints of foreigners, who find it maddening because it's impossible to get used to the noise however, Chinese are inured to many of these sensory phenomenon.

If there are no jackhammers, unless you're more than 20 stories up, which was the only time I escaped this problem, Chinese people walking through the courtyard will make enough noise to disturb or wake you at all hours if your windows are open. You might not think two men walking together nine floors down at 3 AM would need to speak to each other at 110 dB, and you would be wrong.
Nice looking apartment near the lake. 3000 RMB for that size and location is much cheaper than what I would have paid in Guangzhou, which doesn't have a central lake, but for a desirable location it would have been at least twice that. Not sure how new her building is and her amenities, but I could have paid 6000-8000 RMB/month for a newer place that size in Guanghzou in 2018 in the best parts of town.

Now for the tough love. She said the area where she lives around the lake is "clean and quiet." Forgive me, but she is not speaking the truth and I can guess the reason: she's pregnant and wants to see the cup half full, which is understandable.

The fact is that there is nowhere in mainland China with apartment complexes that is clean and quiet. It does not exist. China is extremely dirty from the pollution and noisy from the construction, and also from the Chinese people themselves, who are dirty and noisy. She is coping hard.

She is a wholesome Christian Midwestern young woman, married to a Christian Chinese Malaysian guy and they are expats in Wuhan, She does write about the quirks and downsides of living in China. along with the positives, and is far more trustworthy and honest than you seem to be here, as you clearly have an anti-Chinese agenda. You have had a tortuous personal experience there, which you described in some detail earlier in this thread, and that clearly clouds your perspective.

The problem with your takes is that they are too uniformly negative and lack nuance, like how you claimed that nearly all the food in China is terrible and not cheap, which is a pretty ridiculous statement for anyone who has visited China, or that apartment complexes that are clean and quiet don't even exist anywhere in China, that also is a highly dubious statement.

There is also a lot less noise and pollution in Chinese cities due to the majority of cars and the great majority of mopeds being electric. All the bus and taxi fleets are electric, resulting in much cleaner and quieter cities. That however is a very recent phenomenon which you did not experience in person if you haven't been there since 2018. If you are complaining about noise from 2 Chinese guys talking at night, try living in Europe with 2-stroke mopeds and souped up motorcycles buzzing around at all times of the night.
 
The picture of the administrative building you have posted and claimed was abandoned has many open windows, which indicates that it is occupied.

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I did not claim it was abandoned or that it was a ghost town as you misstated in your previous post. I never saw anyone coming or going inside the buildings and the doors were always locked.

If you are complaining about noise from 2 Chinese guys talking at night, try living in Europe with 2-stroke mopeds and souped up motorcycles buzzing around at all times of the night.

First of all, two Cantonese men talking can drown out a jet engine. Secondly, I lived in Guangzhou within a large university and Chinese uni's are small towns unto themselves, and some of the quietest places in the city. However, new high rises were being put up inside the campus and the construction was 24/7 - 365. It never stopped, night or day, rain or shine, piles pounding, jackhammers jacking.

I took an assignment in this small town and on the main street where I lived, the one leading to the govt buildings, the taxis would drive up and down honking their horns all night. Every night, every single green VW Passat taxi driving up and down the main street: Honk- honk. Honk-honk-honk. Honk-honk-honk-honk. At random moments and for no apparent reason. I barely slept for weeks.

In Peter Hessler's River Town he wrote about the endlessly honking taxis and how all the drivers had installed horn buttons on top of the VW gear shift knobs in order to make tooting them easier. When his father came to visit, he asked Peter why, but there was no why 没有 什么.

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I finally figured out why and it has to do with the liability for driving in China if you hit a pedestrian. China hadn't yet figured out collision insurance, which led to drivers backing up and running over until death those pedestrians or cyclists they'd accidentally struck, even if the injuries were minor, because there were no limits on liability for injury, but there were for deaths, so it was much better to kill than to injure.



The taxi drivers constantly honked after dark in order to provide a legal defense for themselves if an unattentive pedestrian wandered blindly into the road, which was quite common for Chinese pedestrians, sober or not.

There is also a lot less noise and pollution in Chinese cities due to the majority of cars and the great majority of mopeds being electric. All the bus and taxi fleets are electric, resulting in much cleaner and quieter cities.
You sound just like a propaganda minister. Every day and in every way things are getting better and better. Choco ration up 30 grams. Doubleplusgood.

In Guangzhou, all the taxis and buses were natural gas before I even got there in 2005. And no, the noise comes from construction and the air pollution is mostly particulate matter from factories and power plants, not smog from cars.

She does write about the quirks and downsides of living in China.
She said she misses the dancing aunties in the courtyards, so she is obviously suffering from foreigner rosy glass syndrome as everyone hates the dancing aunties, the Ayi's and their 120dB boom boxes blaring from 9 PM to midnight in the summer months.

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The problem with your takes is that they are too uniformly negative and lack nuance
I'll admit you are right about this. Thanks. I don't mind taking writing tips from a good propagandist.
 
China had relaxed its visa requirement earlier year and its easy to get around the firewall with VPN - in fact if you're a foreigner coming in with sim card from overseas roam - you're automatically given a built in VPN to go through the firewall. You can also peer into their community with rednote/XHS and billibilli now. Heavy censorship is just a cope.

I see people sharing their experiences NOW even on Western Social Media and they're easy to verify especially with record people coming in and out of China now. How is your algorithm still limited to around a DECADE ago still? A lot had changed especially since their GDP had increased 4-5% about every year in that decade. The environment is like going from the Great Depression to Post-WW2 Boom.

For instance, the Gutter Oil meme was from 1990s (3 DECADES) and I see you're presuming its still rampant (lol).



As someone with easy access in and out of China, whenever someone shares an experience from China from a decade ago and acts as if its still ongoing now in this thread, I can't but help laugh my ass off but at the same time, I feel bad for people who are trying to get serious information or make this board legitimate.

Kind reminder that all VPNs are illegal in China, and conviction carries hefty fines and possible prison sentences. Usage of a VPN carries a maximum prison sentence of 3-7 years under Article 285.



Weirdo China simps were already obnoxious in their continuous CCP glazing, yet have now moved one step beyond that and are openly encouraging illegal acts in one of the most repressive countries in the world. Moderators should step in to put a cap on this type of deceitful and outright dangerous rhetoric, in terms of importance wellbeing of CIK members ranks above CCP shilling narratives by a notch or two. BS above is quite literally the Chang equivalent of boasting about purchasing or selling a illegal firearm in the US. Yeah totally safe bro, nahh it ain't a big deal, been doing it for years yeah bro they ain't gonna get you go for it bro'.

Do not bring phones with pre-downloaded VPNs into China, do not try to download VPNs in China itself, and do not use VPNs in China in general. In China the only people who are allowed VPN usage are human botfarm shills as they spoof their location to rural Texas and twitterpost under 'Mary in MAGA Country', tits half hanging out. Then telling gullible tards how it's time to move our military out of the Pacific, why are we there anyway, bring our boys back home, China isn't the enemy! Likewise Chinese SOE employees also have a waiver, in their case for pragmatic reasons, aka to grease and simplify business practices overseas. None here belong to any of these categories, at least that's what we are hoping.

Below is a video of cell phone checks on a metro. During high profile events like the recent Fourth Plenum surveillance goes up tremendously. Especially modes of public transportation have high intensity security measures, including jackboots demanding access to your phone just because. This has spread to the big cities recently, yet has been a reality in high risk zones since the 2010s already, especially Xinjiang and Tibet adjacent areas are swarming with plain clothes officers at train stations, airports etc. If they profile you they will pull out some sort of weird portable device slightly bigger than a cellphone and plug it into your cellphone. Refusing isn't an option. Increasingly happens at border control as well. Travel with a burner phone instead and do no listen to bad faith detractors.

Conviction for using a VPN.



Random checks on the metro.



 
This short video has no details, like how many square meters, how old the building is, what city he's in, and how far out he is from the city center. It would be exceptionally rare if the landscaping in the common area was arranged in a way so that you could enjoy being there. I never saw an example of that (all my time was in Guangzhou and Shenzhen), whereas every place I or friends lived had common areas that were literally repulsive and you would never do anything but walk through them as quickly as possible in order to get inside your apartment and away from the other people, noise, pollution and smell.
Now for the tough love. She said the area where she lives around the lake is "clean and quiet." Forgive me, but she is not speaking the truth and I can guess the reason: she's pregnant and wants to see the cup half full, which is understandable.

The fact is that there is nowhere in mainland China with apartment complexes that is clean and quiet. It does not exist. China is extremely dirty from the pollution and noisy from the construction, and also from the Chinese people themselves, who are dirty and noisy. She is coping hard.


1,200sqft 3 BDR 2 bath apartment in the Greater Bay Area near Hong Kong and Shenzhen rents for $300/month, nice clean surroundings, gardens and common areas.



Who is "coping hard" here?? Muh 50 year mortgages and affordable "starter homes" ...


 
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Big if true. Would be funny if it turned out the Chinese were monitoring Alex Jones for these lost tech opportunities, researching his conspiracy theories and then capitalizing 🤣🤣🤣
Monitoring? I am afraid it goes a little beyond that, Alex J. is going mask off and has in the last couple of years travelled more often to Moscow than to his in laws down the road. His last high profile visit: Tsargrad's Forum of the Future event in June 2025. This Forum was organized by Aleksander Dugin and Malofeev, the two architects of the New Right.

Totally not sus, and AJ's a real American patriot anyway. Alex was enjoying some good companionship though, Sergey Lavrov, Konstantin Malofeev, Errol Musk, Dimitry Simes, Jeffrey Sachs, Max Blumenthal, Matthew Groves and others. Quite a kosher gang bytheway. Word on the street is that Candace Owens was invited too, but she was too dumb and instead booked a ticket to Moscow, Idaho. Classic Candace!

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Literally like clockwork. US-Turkish communist Hassan Piker (hassanabi) was just searched and checked in Beijing, Tiananmen Square. Security guards 'saw' a meme of Piker dressed up as Mao Zedong on his phone, and that didn't go down well. Yet how do you see a meme on someone's phone? Short answer: because he got profiled, picked out and had his devices checked by some low level jackboot who wasn't aware that Piker was there on the CCP's invitation anyway. Nothing will likely happen to Piker because he is 'on their side', yet this could have been a misinformed RW chud instead, no mercy in commie China for those though.

Do not play stupid games in China. The narrative that China is a country like all other East Asian states is a rancid lie, propagated by even more rancid propagandists who make a living out of selling crap to low info and disenfranchised Westoid idiots. China is a heavily authoritian communist dictatorship that after a 20 year or so hike is becoming openly hostile again and which is engaged in a large number of informational, fifth generational and even kinetic warfare operations against the US.



Hasan Piker during Mamdani's victory, lamenting the fall of the USSR. Like said before, domestic and foreign communists will unite in their desire to bring down the USA.

 
Kind reminder that all VPNs are illegal in China, and conviction carries hefty fines and possible prison sentences. Usage of a VPN carries a maximum prison sentence of 3-7 years under Article 285.



Weirdo China simps were already obnoxious in their continuous CCP glazing, yet have now moved one step beyond that and are openly encouraging illegal acts in one of the most repressive countries in the world. Moderators should step in to put a cap on this type of deceitful and outright dangerous rhetoric, in terms of importance wellbeing of CIK members ranks above CCP shilling narratives by a notch or two. BS above is quite literally the Chang equivalent of boasting about purchasing or selling a illegal firearm in the US. Yeah totally safe bro, nahh it ain't a big deal, been doing it for years yeah bro they ain't gonna get you go for it bro'.


You have progressively gone more unhinged since posting hallucinations from the 12 Day Iran-Israel War thread to frantically spending hours and days searching for any agit-prop materials as far back as the 90s on knee jerk reaction to anything on China.

That habit cannot be good for your mental health as it further promotes your own cognitive dissonance. I sincerely hope you're compensated for all that hard work because it comes with the cost of your well being and no internet argument is worth that.

If these 300 million tourists can figure it out then I'm sure you can put on your big boy pants, figure out how to use VPN, and break out of your cognitive dissonance. We believe in you.


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1,200sqft 3 BDR 2 bath apartment in the Greater Bay Area near Hong Kong and Shenzhen rents for $300/month, nice clean surroundings, gardens and common areas.



Who is "coping hard" here??

The price is not bad, but it looked like there was no A/C whatsoever in that apartment, and there is almost never heating south of Shanghai, which includes all of Guangdong. Huizhou is as hot as anywhere else in Guangdong so how are they getting along without A/C.

They said they're only paying 120 RMB/month for water, electric and gas, but they didn't mention internet. I was paying more than 120 for electric alone, but I had A/C and used space heaters.

And like I said earlier about the swimming pool, there are always problems as theirs was not usable for the entire past season.

They touted the exercise equipment in the courtyard that is unusable for healthy people who can move their arms and legs. Take another look at it and try to imagine what you would do. They have the same stuff everywhere in China and it seems designed for recovering quadriplegics. That they would refer to it as a benefit means they're not really using the things that are there, but assuming they're beneficial.

A lot in China looks nice from afar, but when you get close and live with it for a while, you find the problems and drawbacks, which you have to balance against the good. People make assumptions when they see the Chinese facade, but you have to live there in order to know what it's really like.

Huizhou has the same horrendous air pollution as Guangzhou and Shenzhen, but not as bad as Beijing, so it's not clean there either. Laowhy86 used to live in Huizhou with his Chinese wife. He saw the problems and pollution, but made the best of things.

 
You have progressively gone more unhinged since posting hallucinations from the 12 Day Iran-Israel War thread to frantically spending hours and days searching for any agit-prop materials as far back as the 90s on knee jerk reaction to anything on China.

That habit cannot be good for your mental health as it further promotes your own cognitive dissonance. I sincerely hope you're compensated for all that hard work because it comes with the cost of your well being and no internet argument is worth that.

If these 300 million tourists can figure it out then I'm sure you can put on your big boy pants, figure out how to use VPN, and break out of your cognitive dissonance. We believe in you.


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You understand these are Chinese tourists, right, and not foreigners?
 
Literally like clockwork. US-Turkish communist Hassan Piker (hassanabi) was just searched and checked in Beijing, Tiananmen Square. Security guards 'saw' a meme of Piker dressed up as Mao Zedong on his phone, and that didn't go down well. Yet how do you see a meme on someone's phone? Short answer: because he got profiled, picked out and had his devices checked by some low level jackboot who wasn't aware that Piker was there on the CCP's invitation anyway. Nothing will likely happen to Piker because he is 'on their side', yet this could have been a misinformed RW chud instead, no mercy in commie China for those though.

Do not play stupid games in China. The narrative that China is a country like all other East Asian states is a rancid lie, propagated by even more rancid propagandists who make a living out of selling crap to low info and disenfranchised Westoid idiots. China is a heavily authoritian communist dictatorship that after a 20 year or so hike is becoming openly hostile again and which is engaged in a large number of informational, fifth generational and even kinetic warfare operations against the US.

Hasan Piker during Mamdani's victory, lamenting the fall of the USSR. Like said before, domestic and foreign communists will unite in their desire to bring down the USA.


Mamdani took on and beat several dozen mostly Jewish billionaires using essentially the same populist platform that Trump used to win over the Rust Belt and middle America (NV, FL, AZ,...). Instead of helping out middle America as promised, Trump pulled an Obama and put his billionaire buddies in charge, pushing usury on steroids with the 50 year mortgages, being Bibi's b**** and wiping out 2000 years of Christiandom in the Holy Land, squashing the First Amendment by giving TikTok to the biggest zionist billionaire and letting healthcare costs spiral out of control.

Mamdani won because people are pissed at all this, and because the average rent for a 1-BDR in Manhattan is $5,500, not because they love the USSR, that is a pretty dumb premise.

Hassan Piker is a leftist retard, and you are the ziocon mirror version of that.

China is indeed not like the other east Asian countries, all of which are economically and culturally cucked, getting worse every year while China becomes richer and more advanced every year. No one in China yearns for a neoliberal "democracy" (lol) where no matter who you vote for, you always end up with different versions of Nancy Pelosi and Lindsay Graham.

In "authoritarian communist dictatorship China", you will never go to jail for burning the gay flag. The Gay flag and the Israel flag are the only sacred flags in the US today.


And contrary to what you posted a couple of weeks ago, feminists are not welcome in China, they are identified as foreign filth and dealt with accordingly.



So you're right about China not being like the other east Asian countries... In Japan pedo manga is normalized, and filth like soiled panties have been sold out of vending machines for decades now, and ((US))-funded boy bands and K-pop are turning their young men into fags, and in Taiwan you have the biggest "pride" sodomfest in all of Asia, while in China their authorities block that crap.

That's the side of China people like Hasan Piker cannot face, and neither can you, that is why you are his ziocon version.
 
You understand these are Chinese tourists, right, and not foreigners?

40 million foreign visitors to China in 2025.

Of those, roughly 10 million never make it back, squashed by drivers running them over and over again, suffocating to death from urban pollution, or trapped inside apartments with malfunctioning killer doors, according to certain former English teachers who have lived there 10 years ago...
 
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The price is not bad, but it looked like there was no A/C whatsoever in that apartment, and there is almost never heating south of Shanghai, which includes all of Guangdong. Huizhou is as hot as anywhere else in Guangdong so how are they getting along without A/C.

They said they're only paying 120 RMB/month for water, electric and gas, but they didn't mention internet. I was paying more than 120 for electric alone, but I had A/C and used space heaters.

And like I said earlier about the swimming pool, there are always problems as theirs was not usable for the entire past season.

They touted the exercise equipment in the courtyard that is unusable for healthy people who can move their arms and legs. Take another look at it and try to imagine what you would do. They have the same stuff everywhere in China and it seems designed for recovering quadriplegics. That they would refer to it as a benefit means they're not really using the things that are there, but assuming they're beneficial.

A lot in China looks nice from afar, but when you get close and live with it for a while, you find the problems and drawbacks, which you have to balance against the good. People make assumptions when they see the Chinese facade, but you have to live there in order to know what it's really like.

Huizhou has the same horrendous air pollution as Guangzhou and Shenzhen, but not as bad as Beijing, so it's not clean there either. Laowhy86 used to live in Huizhou with his Chinese wife. He saw the problems and pollution, but made the best of things.



So to summarize your review of that $300/month 1,200 square foot 3 bedroom apartment in two words ; pointy elbows.
 
You have progressively gone more unhinged since posting hallucinations from the 12 Day Iran-Israel War thread to frantically spending hours and days searching for any agit-prop materials as far back as the 90s on knee jerk reaction to anything on China.

That habit cannot be good for your mental health as it further promotes your own cognitive dissonance. I sincerely hope you're compensated for all that hard work because it comes with the cost of your well being and no internet argument is worth that.

If these 300 million tourists can figure it out then I'm sure you can put on your big boy pants, figure out how to use VPN, and break out of your cognitive dissonance. We believe in you.


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Pure impotent Chudrage, and most awkward pivot seen in a while. Tankie turdworldists are apparently still butthurt over the ass whooping Iran received earlier this year, end stage of the collapsing Iranian position in the region and quite literally predicted by yours truly to a T. Yet another worldview in shambles and yet another case of never get high on your own copey thirdy supply.

The CCP groupies are a lost cause but that doesn't exempt them from endangering fellow forum members. So instead of these desperate wild swings and pot shots from the hip aimed at nothing it would be more apt if you'd clarify your position on VPNs in China, coupled with an explanation on why you were trivializing and even recommending VPN usage in China. An offense, which you must have been aware of, that carries a maximum 3-7 year prison sentence.

Additional service announcement: I am building a Chudtower. For every intentional deflection on the VPN issue another educational video released by Chinese authorities on how VPNs are illegal gets added, we are currently at two and just by superficially skimming the socials I have found about five already. Chuds and other resentfuls don't like it when they get put on the spot and have their paid sloptakes pulled apart. The days wherein CCP sludge could be dumped on CiK unopposed are over, better get used to it!



 
Part of it as well is China winning the TikTok/RedNote war, this has been the first time ever China has scored major soft power points, Japan and Korea used to monopolize that region. There are a lot of western bloggers who are doing China now.




Some quick updates on the 'Western e-refugee migration to Red Note' skunk narrative, which Lil Coop spent about a dozen or so posts on. Short recap. Coop, in his infinite wisdom, foresaw that half the Western internet would flock to Chang internet because on Twitter, Discord, Telegram or Instagram one could not criticize Jews/ Israel or whatever. And as an extension our very own Chief CCP propagandist, with that characteristic and quintessential air of feigned confidence-meets-triumphalism tried to frame RedNote 'as a big soft power victory for China'.

Fastforward a year and obviously none of that happened. RedNote never got any traction beyond the initial hype, and barring a few tankies nobody in the West uses it. There's more though, RedNote has recently implemented a string of new security measures. From the Twitter post linked: 'the app now seems riddled with new loopholes: accounts are being flagged as “security risks” for no reason, and users must submit foreign passport numbers, face + ID photo, and phone verification to restore account visibility or even post, only for the process to repeatedly fail'.

This is a coordinated effort to boot the few foreigners left out the door. Guess the Changs got tired of their biggo soft power victory, although I am sure that it all really happened in Coop's head though. Man has legit become a meme. Meanwhile real Gs here on J-posting sprees on any social media platform available.

 
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