The China Thread

[LaAguilaNegra]

China is not quite a communist country. They can sport giant portraits of Mao and big hammer and sickle shields, but beyond those vestigial symbolisms, the fact remains that it is not a communist country. The share of China's public sector in its GDP is slightly lower than the US, significantly lower than those of Japan and Canada, and much lower than France, Sweden, Germany etc.

The biggest proof that China isn't a communist country is that its economy has been booming, and has significantly enriched its citizens. Communism doesn't work, but the Chinese system does, having delivered wealth, stability and technological progress to its citizens. They went from a GDP per capita lower than Haiti's under communism, to the top industrial economy in the world under their current system of industrial capitalism.

And BTW, the two statements above, that the Taiwanese have no appetite for confrontation with China, and that Xi might want to annex Taiwan before he retires, are not mutually exclusive statements. Perhaps you might want to work on developing your aptitude in logics instead of resorting to cheap aggro namecalling.

Cryptocommie fellow travellers like to put up smokescreens by reducing communism to an economic model. Ever noticed how it's only communist sympathizers that partake in this type of shape-shifting and whitewashing? Make the whole thing more palatable to foreign centrist leaning audiences.

It's ridiculous. In the early USSR Lenin and his Jewy Politburo launched the NEP, an economic framework wherein free market workings, privatization and capitalism all where allowed and even encouraged. Do people anno 2025 anywhere assert that Lenin nor the Early USSR were not communist because of the capitalist NEP policies? Of course not. Likewise calling contemporary China not communist is equally dumb.

Communism has never been about economic models. Thats just the deception. Communism is the ultimate Jewish bankster form of dictatorship: total control and absolute slavery for everyone. Anti Christian, anti White and anti human.

Perhaps you might want to work on developing your aptitude in logics

Stop the cap. Tone, context, audience and personal history matter. Intentionally conflating Taiwan with the adjective confrontational but in a negating form is a well known rhetorical trick. Seeding an idea whilst at same time creating a sense of plausible deniability. Literally sophistry 101 and a well-known practice in Law school.

Just to set the record straight: it's not Taiwan but China that is sabrerattling, it is not Taiwan but China that is putting out ultimatums and threat of force, it is not Taiwan but China that is building up its military forces opposite the Strait, it is not Taiwan but China that is constantly violating Taiwan airspace and naval waters, it not Taiwan but China that is seeding the island with infiltrators and spyware, it is not Taiwan but China that is doing military mock exercises aimed at invading and imposing a naval blockade, it is not Taiwan but China that is trying to buy politicians and media outlets, it is not Taiwan but China that's going around the globe intimidating countries into giving up recognition of the opposing side, etc.

There is only one confrontational side/ aggressor here and it's China.

 

[Cooper]

It's a communist dictatorship because there is only 1 political party and no way to have elections for a change in central government.

It can be viewed as an authoritarian system from a liberal perspective, but I would argue that the Chinese people have greater input over their governments than we do in our glorified Plato's cave oligarchies. The oligarchs in the west own nearly every facet of the political and economic system. They view the people they govern over as a threat to their rule and a resource that has to be exploited and whose wealth needs to be extracted and whose Christian values degraded.

This being said, China is not communist; authoritarian =/= communist. As Eric Lee, a Berkeley grad venture capitalist from China stated, in the west you can change parties, but you cannot change policies, while in China, you cannot change parties, but you can change policies.

I would characterize the Chinese government as a nationalist, confucianist combination of industrial capitalism and socialism. Ironically enough, it is the closest economic and political system today to late 1930s national-socialist Germany. Under Mao, the communists aggressively degraded Chinese traditional values, in the same ways their predecessors from the French Revolution, Bolshevik revolution and contemporaries in Khmer Rouge Cambodia did.

That is no longer the case in China, where there is today an emphasis on reviving Chinese traditional culture and history. Industrial capitalism is heavily promoted, as is the construction of state of the art infrastructure. BYD and high-speed rail are the equivalents of VWs and Autobahn in 1930s Germany. There is also a complete rejection of Frankfurt School cultural marxism aka locally as baizuo, or "white leftism", with a robust popular media censorship system that weeds out globohomo filth, not unlike what we had up to the 1960s, and what pre-war Germany had.

As well, both 1930s Germany and present-day China were run by one large yet elitist party and a leader whose stated goal is the economic and social well-being of the country. Something to think about next time you watch the sinophobe and invariably philosemitic mainstream "China own Hollywood" right wing outlets.

 

[Cooper]

Cryptocommie fellow travellers like to put up smokescreens by reducing communism to an economic model. Ever noticed how it's only communist sympathizers that partake in this type of shape-shifting and whitewashing? Make the whole thing more palatable to foreign centrist leaning audiences.

It's ridiculous. In the early USSR Lenin and his Jewy Politburo launched the NEP, an economic framework wherein free market workings, privatization and capitalism all where allowed and even encouraged. Do people anno 2025 anywhere assert that Lenin nor the Early USSR were not communist because of the capitalist NEP policies? Of course not. Likewise calling contemporary China not communist is equally dumb.

Communism has never been about economic models. Thats just the deception. Communism is the ultimate Jewish bankster form of dictatorship: total control and absolute slavery for everyone. Anti Christian, anti White and anti human.

The economic model and political framework are intrinsically related, and can't be separated. The Soviets attempts at a market economy failed miserably because they were rounding up and exterminating all the upper classes in Russian cities and established "kulaks" in the countryside. That policy was a similar plan to what was put in place in 1990s Russia, it was a ploy for gopniks and Jews to take over Russian property and businesses. The Soviet Union was mired in misery, while at the turn of the century Russia was one of the leading economy in Europe, set to become a major world power with over 500 million people by 2000. Instead that country was ravaged by decades of bolshevism followed by inefficient, soul-destroying communism.

How we know that China isn't a communist country:

1- No communist regime has ever procured wealth to their people. Communism is an unnatural system that stifles economies and keeps the masses in poverty and backwardness. China's economy however works, remarkably well, never in the history of mankind have so many people been lifted out of poverty in such a short time. It is a somewhat authoritarian system, but bear in mind that a liberal system wouldn't have worked in China for at least two reasons:

a- Too populous. Their population would have grown to 2, 3 or 4 billion without child/family size restrictions, the country would have collapsed under its own weight. You would have had cities like Beijing and Changhai invaded by 100+ million poor people from rural areas, those big cities would have turned into urban dystopias with huge slums and millions of homeless people, gangs etc that would have made Rio or Calcutta look like Carmel-by-the sea.

b- China would have been taken over by the West and returned to 19th-century colonization, the same way Russia was colinized and raped in the 1990s.

2- Their leaders actually care about their people. I can't think of any western leaders that do, outside of maybe Orban, if you consider Hungary a western country. People like Macron, Starmer, Trudeau, Scholz etc are globalist tools who dislike their citizens. Even Trump submits to Israel, far more so than Reagan or Bush Sr ever did. The Chinese leadership however is rabidly nationalistic and works relentlessly to better their population and defend the interests of their nation above all. That, once again, is completely contrary to the leadership of every communist country that ever existed.

Stop the cap. Tone, context, audience and personal history matter. Intentionally conflating Taiwan with the adjective confrontational but in a negating form is a well known rhetorical trick. Seeding an idea whilst at same time creating a sense of plausible deniability. Literally sophistry 101 and a well-known practice in Law school.

Huh??

Just to set the record straight: it's not Taiwan but China that is sabrerattling, it is not Taiwan but China that is putting out ultimatums and threat of force, it is not Taiwan but China that is building up its military forces opposite the Strait, it is not Taiwan but China that is constantly violating Taiwan airspace and naval waters, it not Taiwan but China that is seeding the island with infiltrators and spyware, it is not Taiwan but China that is doing military mock exercises aimed at invading and imposing a naval blockade, it is not Taiwan but China that is trying to buy politicians and media outlets, it is not Taiwan but China that's going around the globe intimidating countries into giving up recognition of the opposing side, etc.

There is only one confrontational side/ aggressor here and it's China.

There are a lot of similarities between the Taiwan situation, its relation with China, and its use by the US, and Ukraine's relation with Russia and its use by the US/NATO.

Taiwan belongs to China, it is a Chinese island, and China is going to annex it eventually, there is no stopping that. The fact that Taiwan isn't part of China is deeply grating to Chinese nationalists, it is a reminder of their century of humiliation. They do have a chip on their shoulder, I'll give you that. It is similar to how the Argentines feel about the Falklands, or the Spanish about Gibraltar.

Taiwan claims that it is China and the Beijing government is the usurper to the Chinese throne. Ironically, the mainlanders don't mind that claim from Taiwan nearly as much as Taiwan claiming it is an independent island-country. If the Taiwanese government were to formally declare independence, China would invade them, no ifs ands or buts.

This being said, there is no doubt that the US is using Taiwan as a bulwark against China the same way they have used Ukraine against Russia.

 

[Cooper]

Excellent article about why/how China is not a communist country, some of the arguments are the same as mine above, but it covers more ground:

Either China is not communist or communism is an excellent system for economic growth and poverty reduction.

Is China a Communist Country? | IE Insights

Labeling China as "communist", despite it embracing market reforms and private enterprise, fuels Western misconceptions, writes Ottón Solís.

www.ie.edu

...Pro-market and pro-private enterprise reforms and the consolidation of a mixed economy coincide with extraordinary achievements. Between 1980 and 2010, China’s GDP grew at a rate of close to 10% per year and 800 million people were lifted out of poverty. These gigantic economic and social achievements are unparalleled in history. Today the world worries about (or is relieved by?) China’s “slow” growth, given that it is around 5% per year. But it should be noted that the rate corresponding to the United States, Germany, and Japan is 2.7, 0.2, and 0.9, and the average for the European Union is 0.7% and 1.5% for the G7.

China is second only to the United States in terms of GDP size and is the undisputed leader in the production of a large number of high-tech industrial products. Their level of efficiency and competitiveness is such that the Western leaders most ideologically persuaded of the benefits of free trade and the theory of comparative advantage are resorting to a series of protectionist measures to prevent their industrial sectors from being devastated by Chinese exports.

It is contended that these measures are necessary because the Chinese Government subsidizes its enterprises, which allegedly creates unfair competition. (The magnitude of those subsidies is unknown, but they exist… just as subsidies and tax exemptions exist and have existed in the United States, Europe, and Japan for specific industries, chosen for their social, geographical, military, or technological impacts.)

Despite this openness to market forces and private enterprise, the Chinese state continues to own important segments in banking, energy, transportation, and other sectors. In general, direct state participation in production is much more significant than in the United States, although similar to that which was characteristic of Western Europe before 1980.

In short, the Chinese system is as far removed from neo-liberalism as it is from communism. But denouncing it as communist serves to justify to the masses of voters in the United States and Europe economic measures aimed at protecting the corporate sectors of those countries and strengthening military spending (and the business of the military-industrial complex). Many business people in the West do believe that China’s system is communist, so they fear that if China continues to strengthen its ideology, it will eventually be adopted with the ensuing expropriation of their own wealth. That is why many of them participate in the anti-China belligerence.

The truth is that China is not communist, since the private sector and individual initiative have a strong presence and there is ample room for market forces, which explains the post-1978 successes. But if it were communist, would it not imply that communism is an excellent socio-economic system? Putting it in another way, either China is not communist or communism is an excellent system for economic growth and poverty reduction. So much so that it should then be adopted by the Global South.

Politically, China is a “One Party State”, with consequent limitations on numerous freedoms. But this does not make it a communist country. If that were the case, then Pinochet’s Chile would have been communist, not to mention the monarchies of the Persian Gulf such as Saudi Arabia. Those should be labeled as “One Family States” but never, for that reason, communist.

The confusions arising from the internal narrative of the Chinese leaders themselves in continuing to refer to their system as the Chinese Communist Party, compounded by Western propaganda against “communist” China, transcend semantics. It is difficult for the Chinese leaders, because since the founding of the party in 1923 their strategy was to convince the Chinese people that Marxist collectivism had the answers to their development aspirations. With this argument, the party won the civil war against the Kuomintang and has been in power since 1949. Accepting that economic and social successes came when they dumped communism does not fit at all with that narrative. That is why they decide to continue calling themselves the Communist Party (post-truth in China?).

In the West, the logical propagandistic sequence starts from truth to arrive at a lie: “Communism is bad, China is communist, therefore, China is bad” (post-truth in the West?). That lie has been soaked into the hearts and minds of millions of people around the world, creating scenarios in democracies to justify aggressive economic and military attitudes against China and, eventually, new wars (and new benefits for the politicians and businessmen who profit from them).

Communism has been a resounding failure wherever it has been implemented, both from the economic-social point of view and in relation to basic freedoms and human rights. But the Chinese system is not communist. If someone is going to hate or fear China, let them find their reasons, but it shouldn’t be because it is communist – because it is not.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

It would be neat to live in a country that could do things like this.

 

[FrancisK]

It would be neat to live in a country that could do things like this.

Use rails to deliver things?

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Use rails to deliver things?

A.I. medical technology, which Russia has talked about being used to cure cancer, robots organizing the pharmaceuticals, so it is quicker and more accurate. Not to mention infrastructure that isn't crumbling and not having to avoid large swaths of metro areas due to severe increased crime.

 

[Caduceus]

It would be neat to live in a country that could do things like this.

The Japanese have had those for decades.

 

[Cooper]

The Japanese have had those for decades.

Some western hospitals esp in Europe have the old pneumatic tube delivery system where they shoot items through tubes to rooms on other floors. The ceiling rail system is better though.



The US healthcare industry (18% of US GDP, vs 7% for China and 8% for Japan) is set up as a profit center, so costs and services are bloated and ultra-expensive, and there is no incentive to find cures for diseases requiring long (and expensive) treatments, like cancer. That is why the cure for cancer is likely to come from a place like China.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

There is little reason to hate China and defend "asia pacific interests" or whatever BS they claim China threatens. Asia belongs to the Asians. Not sure why I should fear China as a threat to ((western))) global hegemony either. I don't care if they win the AI race or whatever. Have to compliment Trump for saying his issue with China is the deficit in a recent interview. An honest answer once in a while.

Given the amount of instigation coming from the west I can't really fault China for doing what places like Japan should have done; defend their interests. One look at a map shows that the Chinese coast is surrounded by American colonies that they have to sail around. Can't really fault them for trying to bully these retards who constantly have joint summits with Americans on the looming threat of Asians in Asia. Considering they're family I can also see why they're so sensitive about Taiwan.

If we're talking strictly competition China has barely scratched the surface of hostility in comparison to the constant subjugation white men carry out on behalf of Jewish interests. Is China a globalist sandbox? Perhaps but saying they're killing white people by letting useful idiots teach the gay to kids on tiktok is pretty low on the list of our racial problems. Almost all threats to the white race are domestic. The Soviet Union ended up being a sandbox for modern Europe. When the Europeans talk about the Soviets, do they mention the Soviets pioneering (((equality))) in the social sphere? Despite European leadership supposedly hating the commies, something they claim to this day, that didn't seem to have stopped the adoption of all those policies including state atheism. A "social credit score" doesn't rest on the scientific efforts of the Chinese. The idea is already in the air. Its going to happen regardless.

Not sure how "nationalists" keep falling for this "convergence of interests" with the Jews. I'm still patiently waiting for muslims to be deported because they're anti-semitic. I don't have any shared interests with the Jews. As we can see the Jews are still allowing their attack dogs to snap at the Trump administration even though they have made their allegiance clear. Where is the court order to stop the bombing of Houthis?

If white people want to have a Dune-style competition with the Asians for "spice", that's fine but no need to inject some kind of faux morality. I don't believe in "destroying rising competitors so they can't potentially hurt me in the future". What kind of value system is that? At the moment western economic interests benefit only the Jews. No one will raise your salary when more money is extracted from Asia. Not sure what kind of shared interest I have with the Jews in overthrowing Xi, destroying the Chinese middle class, making sure Chinese companies have Jews on the board of directors and gutting the Chinese military in some Peace agreement.

 

[Caduceus]

There are a lot of similarities between the Taiwan situation, its relation with China, and its use by the US, and Ukraine's relation with Russia and its use by the US/NATO.

Taiwan belongs to China, it is a Chinese island, and China is going to annex it eventually, there is no stopping that. The fact that Taiwan isn't part of China is deeply grating to Chinese nationalists, it is a reminder of their century of humiliation. They do have a chip on their shoulder, I'll give you that. It is similar to how the Argentines feel about the Falklands, or the Spanish about Gibraltar.

Taiwan claims that it is China and the Beijing government is the usurper to the Chinese throne. Ironically, the mainlanders don't mind that claim from Taiwan nearly as much as Taiwan claiming it is an independent island-country. If the Taiwanese government were to formally declare independence, China would invade them, no ifs ands or buts.

This being said, there is no doubt that the US is using Taiwan as a bulwark against China the same way they have used Ukraine against Russia.

The Chinese who fled to Taiwan from 1945 to 1949 went there because they do not want to be ruled by the Maoist red commies.
They didn't want to be ruled by post 1949 Beijing back then, and they certainly do not want to now.....no matter how capitalistic/free market/nationalist/chinese people loving Beijing claims to be now.

A long as the USA has over 80,000 troops stationed across Japan, Korea, and the Philippines, plus a worldwide powerful navy, the mainland Chinese will not take the island.

 

[Samseau]

Communism has never been about economic models. Thats just the deception. Communism is the ultimate Jewish bankster form of dictatorship: total control and absolute slavery for everyone.

China has been this way long before they discovered Talmuds. Communism was a natural fit for them but it makes no sense to use this definition for Communist China. China always viewed Communism as an economic model and nothing more. The autocratic model of governance has been the norm there for thousands of years.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

The Chinese who fled to Taiwan from 1945 to 1949 went there because they do not want to be ruled by the Maoist red commies.
They didn't want to be ruled by post 1949 Beijing back then, and they certainly do not want to now.....no matter how capitalistic/free market/nationalist/chinese people loving Beijing claims to be now.

A long as the USA has over 80,000 troops stationed across Japan, Korea, and the Philippines, plus a worldwide powerful navy, the mainland Chinese will not take the island.

China is wise, if they can keep the satanic elites out of their system and their country free from third world immigration, they can sit on the sidelines and just wait until the USA collapses from within. They are in no hurry, that land isn't going anywhere.

 

[FrancisK]

A.I. medical technology, which Russia has talked about being used to cure cancer, robots organizing the pharmaceuticals, so it is quicker and more accurate. Not to mention infrastructure that isn't crumbling and not having to avoid large swaths of metro areas due to severe increased crime.

Oh okay because the clickbait social media novelty video you posted as an example as to why China is better than the USA.......was about rails to deliver things. Not any of that stuff....

But in regards to rails delivering things, I'll take a human sorting and delivering my medicine over a robot, thank you very much.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Oh okay because the video you posted as an example as to why China is better than the USA.......was about rails to deliver things. Not any of that stuff....

It actually mentions the IT technology and how much they are now exporting medical advances to other countries.

 

[FrancisK]

It actually mentions the IT technology and how much they are now exporting medical advances to other countries.

Yea the black guy social media baiting casually says that at the end while showing novelty rails delivering things which is all the video is about....come on IIMT you can do better.

 

[Cooper]

Oh okay because the clickbait social media novelty video you posted as an example as to why China is better than the USA.......was about rails to deliver things. Not any of that stuff....

But in regards to rails delivering things, I'll take a human sorting and delivering my medicine over a robot, thank you very much.

You're more likely to have the human make a mistake sorting and delivering meds than a robot scanning product barcodes.

 

[FrancisK]

You're more likely to have the human make a mistake sorting and delivering meds than a robot scanning product barcodes.

Well at least a human has a chance of catching that mistake in the chain of custody, a robot doesn't they're just going to do what the human programmed them to do so the human element of error is still there just with less checks. That's the way I see it anyway, not many things actually improve with automation they just cost less employees which is the sole motivation for them.

Either way novelty robot deliveries on rails, which isn't a new "achievement" anyway, isn't exactly a shining example of technological superiority to be jealous of. It's just cute social media crap for the easily entertained and distracted who prefer social media does the thinking for them...."look they have robots on the ceiling moving, man they're so advanced!"....haha

 

[Cooper]

The Chinese who fled to Taiwan from 1945 to 1949 went there because they do not want to be ruled by the Maoist red commies.
They didn't want to be ruled by post 1949 Beijing back then, and they certainly do not want to now.....no matter how capitalistic/free market/nationalist/chinese people loving Beijing claims to be now.

Taiwan is embarking into late-stage globohomo culture, with the normalisation of LGBT agendas, Taiwan is slowly drifting into western-style cultural marxism.

Taiwanese universities now offering majors in gender studies

https://gender.nknu.edu.tw/gigeweb/E1.htm

Taiwan has the largest "Pride" event in all of Asia, with 200,000 people. Rainbow flags all over their national monument...

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwans-increasingly-political-drag-race-queen-wows-fans-home-stage-2024-05-26/

A long as the USA has over 80,000 troops stationed across Japan, Korea, and the Philippines, plus a worldwide powerful navy, the mainland Chinese will not take the island.

80,000 young Americans fighting for the gay disco halfway around the world...

Taiwan is the classic globohomo colonial outpost.



AI Overview

In Taiwan, the "Gender Equity Education Act" mandates that schools integrate gender equality education, including "affective education, sex education, and gay and lesbian education," into their curricula, aiming to promote respect for gender diversity and eliminate discrimination.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Mandate for Gender Equality Education:
  The Gender Equity Education Act requires schools to develop curricula that cover gender equality education, ensuring all curricula comply with the principles of gender equality.
  
  
• Curriculum Content:
  The act specifies that gender equality education curricula should cover "affective education, sex education, and gay and lesbian education".
  
  
• Teacher Role:
  All teachers are expected to maintain gender equality consciousness and encourage students to explore fields outside traditional gender roles.
  
  
• Focus on Respect and Diversity:
  The goal is to teach students respect for gender diversity and eliminate gender discrimination.
  
  
• Addressing Concerns:
  While the policy aims to promote inclusivity, some educators have received complaints from parents who fear that teaching about LGBT rights might influence their children's identities.
  
  
• SOGI Curriculum:
  The Ministry of Education has introduced SOGI (Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity) curriculum into schools [3].
  
  
• Legalization of Same-Sex Marriage and its Impact:
  The legalization of same-sex marriage in Taiwan has sparked societal debate and led to the development of teaching modules in medical curricula to address these issues.
  
  
• Holistic Sexuality Education:
  Some advocate for a more comprehensive and holistic approach to sexuality education, including LGBTQ+ issues, to address societal problems and promote understanding.
  
  
  
  
  

 

[Northern Pilgrim]

China is wise, if they can keep the satanic elites out of their system and their country free from third world immigration, they can sit on the sidelines and just wait until the USA collapses from within. They are in no hurry, that land isn't going anywhere.

Don't make me clutter up another thread by posting the "arable land by percentage" again! Saying the Chinese want/need USA farmland is just not realistic at all. They don't think like you/the west, stop trying to project what you would do on them bro...(if you are indeed a bro and not some sort of bot that just replies with the same talking points, no matter the discussion)