The Approach Question (AQ)

The only places I go to are pretty much work, church, a few outdoor hobbies (golf, skiing, mountain biking, etc), and a right-wing, Christian coffee shop. Picture a place like Cheers but coffee instead of alcohol. I also usher at church and go to some of their events like barbecues. The women and people in general I meet are at places like that. It has taken a while to become a member of the local Christian community but well worth it.

This is the best way I've discovered to meet women with potential or friends in general. No bars, no Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, etc.

Brother becoming part of a Christian community is recommended, but is still not a any guarantee because of current social conditions. Are you successful married with a woman from these ‘Cheers’ type Christian places? What is your age range? How do you ask her out when part of the group and aren’t there other men going for her as well?
 
Coffee shops are by far the most libbed places I've seen. I go to some every once in a while when I want the goyslop woman coffee with enough sugar to kill a diabetic. It always seems to house crazy women or dyed hairs.
I cannot comprehend how you can make a coffee shop right wing and Christian unless you're living in Utah or if the Amish are now adopting the coffee filter technology. Based if true, perchance.

Church only has soytoddlers because the members reproduce. Not many people my age, if any at all. I'll probably divert my attention to places like "work" and studies or something. Nerdy hobbies are full of the lowest of the low attention whor3s. Normalfag hobbies are the ones where you will get segregated for talking about your interests.

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@God's lonely asperger at what point will you lose the lonely from your username - wouldn't want that to turn into a self-fulfilling prophesy..
The West has fallen so hard that a man cannot reference Taxi Driver in his username anymore. I dislike the part of the username where you can tell I am legally retarded however.
Xenforo only allows renaming once a year, and I don't plan to rename to "Allah's Sociable Mujahideen".
 
The West has fallen so hard that a man cannot reference Taxi Driver in his username anymore
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Nerdy hobbies are full of the lowest of the low attention whor3s. Normalfag hobbies are the ones where you will get segregated for talking about your interests.

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Not sure where you find that stuff but you might want to think about not going there so much.

The faces in that image suggest a nasty affliction, beyond mere intolerance for those who think different.
 
Why? What's the worst they can do? Say some ugly stuff to you? So what?

You owe these women nothing. And if they treat you poorly that's their problem.

I'd also encourage weightlifting as something to build your confidence. Not saying it's a requirement that you have to be jacked... But self confidence from lifting goes a long way for your self esteem...which seems to be the issue here.

Just smile, be polite, engage in small talk, and go from there.
This is all great advice. The classics, essentially.

I didn't read through the whole thread, but did anyone advise that OP pray and ask God for help with this? I think ideally if a man isn't going to be a priest, monk, or some kind of layperson who takes a vow of celibacy, it's obvious that he should marry and have children. I also think that any type of Christian can agree that this is a righteous desire. All but the most unrealistic would probably agree that this would also involve being able to talk to young, attractive women without excessive anxiety. So, OP, follow all of Choppa's advice but also pray with faith and with this passage from Matthew 7 in mind:

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
 
It's a scene in Taxi Driver where Travis Bickle describes himself as "God's lonely man". I just rehashed it while overthinking the username box 2 years ago.

Not sure where you find that stuff but you might want to think about not going there so much.

The faces in that image suggest a nasty affliction, beyond mere intolerance for those who think different.
I go where I need to, with a mix of some places that I like. Not a fan of stepping out of said comfort zone because there are only like 4 fun places in my city.
I think you're overanalyzing it.

This is all great advice. The classics, essentially.

I didn't read through the whole thread, but did anyone advise that OP pray and ask God for help with this? I think ideally if a man isn't going to be a priest, monk, or some kind of layperson who takes a vow of celibacy, it's obvious that he should marry and have children. I also think that any type of Christian can agree that this is a righteous desire. All but the most unrealistic would probably agree that this would also involve being able to talk to young, attractive women without excessive anxiety. So, OP, follow all of Choppa's advice but also pray with faith and with this passage from Matthew 7 in mind:
I pray quite a bit since my mother would make me do it daily. I fell off on it, but I very frequently pray. Not necessarily for this, but prayer is essential.

It's all in His time. I'm not one to judge if my prayers are answered with 20 more years of approaching them. Thanks for the advice.
 
It's a scene in Taxi Driver where Travis Bickle describes himself as "God's lonely man". I just rehashed it while overthinking the username box 2 years ago.


I go where I need to, with a mix of some places that I like. Not a fan of stepping out of said comfort zone because there are only like 4 fun places in my city.
I think you're overanalyzing it.


I pray quite a bit since my mother would make me do it daily. I fell off on it, but I very frequently pray. Not necessarily for this, but prayer is essential.

It's all in His time. I'm not one to judge if my prayers are answered with 20 more years of approaching them. Thanks for the advice.
You're welcome. I'm over twice your age and in a happy marriage with a wife and children who adore me. It's easy for me to forget what being a single guy in Clownworld was like. It wasn't easy.

I'd add that you have an ironic, slightly self deprecating sense of humor that some women are going to find charming once you learn to calm down and just enjoy talking to them. Your original post made me chuckle. For example, unlike some, I picked up on that fact that you were probably joking about posting on incel forums. Don't overdo the self deprecating part, but combined with a little muscle and dressing well I think you have plenty of potential with women.

Someone else told you that this forum might not be the best place to get detailed advice on approaching young women in 2024 because a lot of us are much older than you, and that could be true and is something to keep in mind. Still though, I think the basics of how women work remain the same.
 
I'd add that you have an ironic, slightly self deprecating sense of humor that some women are going to find charming once you learn to calm down and just enjoy talking to them. Your original post made me chuckle. For example, unlike some, I picked up on that fact that you were probably joking about posting on incel forums. Don't overdo the self deprecating part, but combined with a little muscle and dressing well I think you have plenty of potential with women.
It's harder to pick up through text, but irony is a thing nowadays. I try not to overdo it, but then I say to my father "I want a hot pizza" and then he stops the waiter to say he wants a cold one.
It's a thing.

Still though, I think the basics of how women work remain the same.
If God wills it.
 
Women are very socially conscious so when you’re traversing the world you don’t want to behave like a guest or an outsider. A woman basically thinks there’s a camera pointed at her at all times. Look at your interaction like a movie, when you’re watching Batman do ever see mid scene some bum jump out of nowhere asking Batman for a cigarette? That would be pretty weird, would take you out of the moment and you would want the movie to get back on track. Same for a woman, everything you do has to be linear storytelling wise.

You don’t want carry yourself like you’re constantly seeking an invitation or permission. This translates very strongly to you communication and behavior. Behave like a fan, get treated like a fan.
Genius. It's also why being around (in a country, city, location) for a while longer than most have matters.
 
It's a scene in Taxi Driver where Travis Bickle describes himself as "God's lonely man". I just rehashed it while overthinking the username box 2 years ago.


I go where I need to, with a mix of some places that I like. Not a fan of stepping out of said comfort zone because there are only like 4 fun places in my city.
I think you're overanalyzing it.


I pray quite a bit since my mother would make me do it daily. I fell off on it, but I very frequently pray. Not necessarily for this, but prayer is essential.

It's all in His time. I'm not one to judge if my prayers are answered with 20 more years of approaching them. Thanks for the advice.
Sounds like you need to get organizized..



Just model Travis and see where that leads you.

He got the girl. He was direct. You should be too. Just don't take her to a porno flick. ;)
 
Sounds like you need to get organizized..



Just model Travis and see where that leads you.

He got the girl. He was direct. You should be too. Just don't take her to a porno flick. ;)

I took a girl to a restaurant 2 years ago, for the first time. I recalled the scene from the film, went well, and I was shocked that I even talked to female.

It all changed once she stated the statement "I came out to my father", followed by a stare from the nearest couple (directed at your humble OP), followed by the words "nonbinary and pansexual", which are not in any Bible translation that I am aware of.

I mean I forgot about it since then, but I also haven't talked to a single girl since then. Oh maybe one who messaged me and forgot my birthday (don't even ask).
 
Brother becoming part of a Christian community is recommended, but is still not a any guarantee because of current social conditions. Are you successful married with a woman from these ‘Cheers’ type Christian places? What is your age range? How do you ask her out when part of the group and aren’t there other men going for her as well?
Yeah definitely no guarantees. This takes work and patience too. Women absolutely start to notice when you're a regular at church or a place like that coffee shop. They see you interacting with the staff, other people, etc.

I am early 30s and have no desire to pursue the single women my age. They are a lost cause. I think early to mid 20s is the sweet spot. The women are nicer, usually haven't been sleeping around, usually aren't obsessed with a career. But I also avoid a lot of modern society so my perspective on women is different and more positive than it used to be. And I couldn't care less if most people don't like age gaps. Most of modern society is retarded and a lot of these women do not care if you're older.

I approach when they start doing something to get my attention. The typical things women do to get a man's attention. I don't approach every attractive women I see. Not a good look and not all of them are interested in having me ask them out. I actually approach less women now than I did before because I want to find a wife and have a family. Quality over quantity.
 
I took a girl to a restaurant 2 years ago, for the first time. I recalled the scene from the film, went well, and I was shocked that I even talked to female.

It all changed once she stated the statement "I came out to my father", followed by a stare from the nearest couple (directed at your humble OP), followed by the words "nonbinary and pansexual", which are not in any Bible translation that I am aware of.

I mean I forgot about it since then, but I also haven't talked to a single girl since then. Oh maybe one who messaged me and forgot my birthday (don't even ask).
Meh... In my horn dog days that would have been seen as an obstacle I'd have tried to overcome.

But probably not marriage material.

Don't let weirdo girls like that ruin you from a good opportunity down the road to meet a quality woman all because of an awkward dinner.
 
I was going to message about it the day after, but then 2 things blocked it

A) "Homophobia" is a thought crime here
B) My family thought it was somehow the most abominable rude thing to message "oh my world view is different sorry"
 
Genius. It's also why being around (in a country, city, location) for a while longer than most have matters.
I didn’t mean it in the travel sense but it’s funny you should say that. When I was in Thailand in particular, I acted like I lived there. There was one coffee place I must of went to 30 times [multiple times a day], shamelessly. You know what happened? Women would open the conversation. “Oh you’re always here”. Obviously I only pick places that have max exposure to young women. Sometimes it would have a shaming element to it, s-test? I don’t even care. That’s the point, I want local people to be comfortable with my presence, I want to invade their space a little bit. I want to be part of their day-to-day narrative. Luckily my presence is a bit overbearing so people are forced to acknowledge it. The one thing I didn’t want to do is put myself at the prerogative of the people, blowing in the wind, acting like I’m on a tight schedule, trying to time max “memories”, jumping at bad propositions. Only thing you get with that is a prostitute. I know all too well that people are fairly useless, no one is going to give you, voluntarily, incredible experiences unless they think there’s a payoff or it’s tit for tat. You kind of have to swindle it out of them. This is my personal trivia, not some secret knowledge, but i think it’s very important to watch how you fit in into the jigsaw puzzle of your surroundings. Too many guys, myself included, behave like they’re on a mission, they’re busy, it’s in and out, be back at the LZ at zero hours. Unless you’re actually someone important or rich then no one is impressed by this behavior. You have to interact with your environment, the greater jungle is your home too as much as it is theirs.
 
You cannot go from incel to Chad without experience. Guys above are just advocating a form of social circle or coffee shop game which is probably the hardest. Your best bet is some Christian dating apps and try to get as many dates as possible.

Also, ask yourself what do you bring to the table.
 
I didn’t mean it in the travel sense but it’s funny you should say that. When I was in Thailand in particular, I acted like I lived there. There was one coffee place I must of went to 30 times [multiple times a day], shamelessly. You know what happened? Women would open the conversation. “Oh you’re always here”. Obviously I only pick places that have max exposure to young women. Sometimes it would have a shaming element to it, s-test? I don’t even care. That’s the point, I want local people to be comfortable with my presence, I want to invade their space a little bit. I want to be part of their day-to-day narrative. Luckily my presence is a bit overbearing so people are forced to acknowledge it. The one thing I didn’t want to do is put myself at the prerogative of the people, blowing in the wind, acting like I’m on a tight schedule, trying to time max “memories”, jumping at bad propositions. Only thing you get with that is a prostitute. I know all too well that people are fairly useless, no one is going to give you, voluntarily, incredible experiences unless they think there’s a payoff or it’s tit for tat. You kind of have to swindle it out of them. This is my personal trivia, not some secret knowledge, but i think it’s very important to watch how you fit in into the jigsaw puzzle of your surroundings. Too many guys, myself included, behave like they’re on a mission, they’re busy, it’s in and out, be back at the LZ at zero hours. Unless you’re actually someone important or rich then no one is impressed by this behavior. You have to interact with your environment, the greater jungle is your home too as much as it is theirs.
Good post.

I needed to hear the last part, as I certainly don't engage with people enough when I'm at the climbing wall, etc. Part of me does expect girls to just come up to me because I'm good at climbing and decent looks wise. I am a little awkward and have poor frame, so I need to lose the attitude and goof it up until I become more natural.

Thanks!

Also, things get easier if you get stronger/dress better. Get a haircut too.
 
You cannot go from incel to Chad without experience. Guys above are just advocating a form of social circle or coffee shop game which is probably the hardest. Your best bet is some Christian dating apps and try to get as many dates as possible.

Also, ask yourself what do you bring to the table.
As that silly looking Australian guy says, "Location talk, c-nts." Apps mean nothing in general anymore, at best they are very low ROI, I'm sad to say. I hope I can be proven wrong. The truth is that the world is undergoing massive changes and information wars/propaganda, and even in good countries there is still the internet. In such a world, how can you get the attention of women even if you have many desirable traits? It's a real problem, but mostly it's harder for those of us who are trying to maximize chances with our own race. In the west, if you're a euro descendant, it's slim pickens with physical beauty and probably even worse regarding pleasantness or demands.
 
Obviously I only pick places that have max exposure to young women
Yup.
I know all too well that people are fairly useless, no one is going to give you, voluntarily, incredible experiences unless they think there’s a payoff or it’s tit for tat.
Few people even look out for others. Guys talk about this all the time here but my conclusion now is that most of us don't even consider the few times that people do, since the connections are offers are atrocious (how about this 35 year old woman?) lol.

This is the other problem with online. The only hook is, with rare exceptions (again I don't know christian dating sites but in the US I can almost guarantee it would also be just as atrocious), the girl has to believe there truly is something in it for her - a sell the dream type of thing. They're far too lazy and entitled at this point to even believe anyone and the trust is all gone. But that means you're selecting for nonsense, sadly, so it's a catch 22.
 
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