The Approach Question (AQ)

[Rax Moscow]

No comment. Are you going to tell me you learned to tie your shoes at 5 next? Though really, the height is such a cheat code. I ain't ugly, but 5'9 is 5'9. I haven't checked since last year though.

The height thing is just an example of something most women find attractive. One very important first step to not caring what other people think, is to not be easily triggered by statements others make.

That's one of the signs I see most readily with my blue pilled friends. They quickly and emotionally react to statements. Me, you can say just about whatever you want and you're not going to get a rise out of me, particularly if I don't know you. If someone thinks their input is valuable, they need to prove it first, before I give them the time of day. You don't need to be that harsh, but in some respects it's not a bad mentality to have.

The only thing I meant by the 6'3 comment is that I've observed females from a very far distance walking towards me. They never lift their eyes from their screens to even check if I am attractive to them or not. I am just an anonymous 6'3 blob. The point is not whether an individual girl likes my looks or not, but that I could have been Brad Pitt, and she didn't even bother to look. This is the level of female narcissism.

For what it's worth, I think the height thing is a bit overrated. If it wasn't, wouldn't women be checking out every tall guy they see? I think in Current Year, physical looks are probably less important than they used to be. I saw a very attractive college girl at the gym yesterday with a guy that I would have been a bit shy publicly hanging out with at that age. Maybe he was a gay friend, but he was there working out with this gorgeous girl, and he was downright goofy looking. And I see mismatched couples all the time in the looks department.

But I second all the advice here about making brief small talk. I've found, while I have a rather small group of true friends, I can satisfy some social needs just by making brief 1-2 sentence interactions with strangers. And if you practice doing that it will be easy to start conversations with anyone you want, including women. Honestly, they are the ones that should be nervous, as I'm past the point of being excited that a "hot" girl is speaking to me, and more likely to be bored by what they say (or more likely, the insecure uptalky voice they say it in).

Also I second the comments about not needing to be a jacked James Bond type to attract women. I remember one of the oddest things I read was that how Woody Allen was such a natural confident "alpha" around women, and he is one of the least impressive physical specimens you can find. But it's true.

And stay away from pornography. I can't imagine how much worse it is today having a teenage libido with all the extreme free stuff available online, but it harms you mentally, physically, and spiritually. Don't get discouraged when you fail, just note it and try to stop it the next time you get the urge.

 

[fortyfive]

As an opener, start talking about the Russian history. That will give you at least two hours and confidence through the roof.

 

[God's lonely asperger]

>>Get help from a personal coach, red pilled male psychologist, church elder, a toastmaster group, or otherwise. Don't do it all alone. This is essential.<<

None of these exist, outside of my pastor (and other elders). He's a busy guy however. But when he gives advice, it's something to remember. Talking to him is enjoyable in itself.

But yes, I respect your steady advice, Steady Hands. Just remember it isn't just "just X bro". I got ostracized since a kid because of the assburgers (this is why I spend a lot of time on in-door hobbies), and I feel like most of my threads on woman advice and some other advice result in advice tailored to around 20 years ago, for a more "average Joe" audience who doesn't suffer from social retardation or the lower functioning actual retardation. I'm a zoomer with [condition in my username from 2 years ago] however, for better or for worse. Zoomer women are also a can'a worms I briefly addressed the extent of.

I think you are onto something, however. I'm not alone because I have the Lord, but I also have church. I'll observe where He takes me. I don't like how adversity on this forum equates to "oh ma gahh the world be ending and myh church!", but it was Jesus Himself who stepped in to cure the blind!

How are you with public speaking and hanging out with guys? Consider joining a men's club or a speaking club. Even something like a hobby club. Up here we've got woodworking clubs. If you get comfortable with public speaking and meeting new people, some of that will transfer to women, and in the meantime it gives you something real to do to take your mind off the broads.

Yeah guys are guys. I briefly equal the level, and decide if they're nice or worth having a chat with. I don't really struggle with them.

Unsurprisingly, even at church, women are not worth talking to. It's jarring, every male is receptive, cool, professional, etc. and the women are on a purity spiral so bad they'll yell "MOLESTEEEEEEEEERRRRRR" over you asking the time. Take of that what you will.

Women also don't have Asperger's or what not. They will judge you and find it an "ick" if you do, while at the same time virtue signaling "I love retards!" except without "da R word because it's exclusive". This is especially apparent in Tik Tok videos, but Tik Tok is not really a worthy source on the best of women.

I don't think there's anything wrong with how you are, the vast majority of actual real world, alpha types don't talk a lot in general, especially to women & definitely not running around in parks "hey haha check out that bird haha I'm tom haha". That's dumb booty boy stuff.

Keep your circle small, keep your mouth shut & your ears open. Focus on finding your purpose on why you are here, then fulfill that purpose. Keep everyday productive, learn to be a provider & protector. Once you can do all that, your biggest problem won't be talking to women but getting them to shutup.

Wise words, I appreciate them. I'm trying to "acquire" women however. They don't shutup but they avoid me regardless.

As an opener, start talking about the Russian history. That will give you at least two hours and confidence through the roof.

I like Napoleon when I'm not talking Hitler. History talk is pretty great. I talk theology sometimes as well.

 

[God's lonely asperger]

The height thing is just an example of something most women find attractive. One very important first step to not caring what other people think, is to not be easily triggered by statements others make.

I was just messing with you on the height. I just looked at 6' and shrugged my head while typing up something about it. This isn't really getting triggered. Height is very important in dating however. Height is a blackpill that has the most scientific basis, but I'm not one to be "blackpilled".

You gotta recognize that there is an ulterior reasoning for the brain to get triggered easily, however. I mostly just hate the tribalism when touching grass. They will pull up on you if you're not careful with what you say.

That's one of the signs I see most readily with my blue pilled friends. They quickly and emotionally react to statements. Me, you can say just about whatever you want and you're not going to get a rise out of me, particularly if I don't know you. If someone thinks their input is valuable, they need to prove it first, before I give them the time of day. You don't need to be that harsh, but in some respects it's not a bad mentality to have.

Same here. If a friend calls me "nig" I will reply "ok nig". If it's a brown person I don't know, I will not relax the same way.

The only thing I meant by the 6'3 comment is that I've observed females from a very far distance walking towards me. They never lift their eyes from their screens to even check if I am attractive to them or not. I am just an anonymous 6'3 blob. The point is not whether an individual girl likes my looks or not, but that I could have been Brad Pitt, and she didn't even bother to look. This is the level of female narcissism.

For what it's worth, I think the height thing is a bit overrated. If it wasn't, wouldn't women be checking out every tall guy they see? I think in Current Year, physical looks are probably less important than they used to be. I saw a very attractive college girl at the gym yesterday with a guy that I would have been a bit shy publicly hanging out with at that age. Maybe he was a gay friend, but he was there working out with this gorgeous girl, and he was downright goofy looking. And I see mismatched couples all the time in the looks department.

But I second all the advice here about making brief small talk. I've found, while I have a rather small group of true friends, I can satisfy some social needs just by making brief 1-2 sentence interactions with strangers. And if you practice doing that it will be easy to start conversations with anyone you want, including women. Honestly, they are the ones that should be nervous, as I'm past the point of being excited that a "hot" girl is speaking to me, and more likely to be bored by what they say (or more likely, the insecure uptalky voice they say it in).

Also I second the comments about not needing to be a jacked James Bond type to attract women. I remember one of the oddest things I read was that how Woody Allen was such a natural confident "alpha" around women, and he is one of the least impressive physical specimens you can find. But it's true.

This is where I need to step in that internet gives me brainrot. Whether this overanalyzing of "looks isn't a deal" or yadda yadda doesn't matter if I'm gonna wake up tomorrow on my grinded out Minecraft server!

I touch grass, and I have a bit of the same observations. The brutal part (for me) is just that they don't tolerate AT ALL neurotic (men). If you cry near them, that's an "ick", if you talk about the Godfather, that's an "ick", if you breathe, that's an "ick".

They're subhuman. Just glancing at Tik Tok whenever I even get a hyperlink to it, my misogyny ramps up.

I don't know when was the last time I saw a woman without her phone, but when the stars align, I guess I will take all the advice of this damn thread.

I'll touch grass again today and observe probably the same "NPC" women. Have a good Saturday though, I like a lot of you guys.

 

[God's lonely asperger]

I kinda dug my own grave with this thread. It didn't really go anywhere since my pseudonym is attached to it, and threads tend to be about answering the OP in [problem]. I was mostly just expecting "oh I do X when I talk to the opposite sex haha" but yeah this isn't really the forum for that, and zoomer women are zoomer women.

What I will say though, a lot of places house the lowest of the low. I don't want a rerun of the South America thread, but I figured out where the Afro-Brazilians tend to hangout... yeah when you see a dark alleyway with no white people and only black teenagers..... no comment.

I get mires and all that (or at least my father says so), and I'm not really at the age where I should worry about lack of female. Still, I can't help but make this thread after family asks why no female.

My current worries all center in moving out, except if I did I'd just be leeching even harder, and obviously there is the family question. They like to throw too much difficulty about it, of course.
What are you guys' thoughts?

 

[FlatEarther]

See rooshv old forum

 

[JCSteel]

My current worries all center in moving out, except if I did I'd just be leeching even harder, and obviously there is the family question. They like to throw too much difficulty about it, of course.
What are you guys' thoughts?

There's nothing wrong with living with your parents and paying a modest rent if that's what's necessary to get you on your feet. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks if it gets you where you need to go. Yes, it's a deal breaker for many women but doing what's right for you comes first.

There's no point in moving out if you're going to have to move back in or ask for more handouts.

 

[God's lonely asperger]

There's nothing wrong with living with your parents and paying a modest rent if that's what's necessary to get you on your feet. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks if it gets you where you need to go. Yes, it's a deal breaker for many women but doing what's right for you comes first.

There's no point in moving out if you're going to have to move back in or ask for more handouts.

Leeching isn't even a concern for me, and I don't live in mom's basement since a while.
I'm just saying this because I hate my state or general region. I'll probably either move to the South of the country and live off based state handouts (Brazil in general is just cheap) or I'll move to Europe and live off based erm I don't know how the law works there but I can probably live off state or university handouts somewhere.
I like Jewniversity and all, but it gets boring when your only job offers are being a literal slave with no wage, for "muh eggsperience", even though the job effort trickles down to the mega corporations.

This is off-topic, and women are pretty much the same everywhere, but it's been a topic of mild worry.

 

[FlatEarther]

See rooshv old forum

A lot of people here were massive fornicators on the previous forum. Whatever relationships they have/had was thanks to game techniques and self-improvement. You can't even find more than a handful of members (mostly females) that truly went the traditional way and that would have been about half a century ago. Christian courtship is a myth now unless you are Mormon.

A more refined and updated view on the red pill and current sexual market socio-dynamics is hoe_math channel on youtube. Highly recommended because the God pillers over here would rather have you die a virgin.

 

[OldSchoolCatholic]

Well your first mistake is posting your question here. From lurking most guys are out of touch except that Bladerunner guy who seems to get the modern situation. You’re going to have to figure things out for yourself and go through a lot of trial and error. The guy saying Christian courtship is a myth is not totally wrong. By all means try church groups to find a wife, but it won’t be easy. Those guys may try to sabotage you like most other guys and family members. Not to mention there’s no guarantee that because she goes to church she is chaste. It won’t be easy especially if you have social issues like you describe, but if you persist you can succeed. Best of luck.

 

[God's lonely asperger]

The old forum's courtship thingy was retarded since jannies would ban you over anything "OH MAG HGAHH WHAT A BLACKPILLED RAICEBAIT!!!"

This one can be a bit useful, I suppose, but almost everyone is out of touch. I'm just glad the R nation has not been brought up yet.

 

[Douglas Quaid]

These past few years I have been working on confidence and approaching women. I've approached all different kinds of them. You don't have to approach a woman just because she wants you to (they try to make it obvious, or what they think is obvious). You don't have to approach them the first time you see her. They are all different about how fast or slow they want you to go after them. I'll approach sooner if she seems worth it. Do not look desperate or overthink the approach. Just go up and do it when you get the best opportunity. If they reject you, say something like "Worth a shot. Have a good one." They will respect you and other women will see the way you handled it too. If you get their number, text within a day to try and go on a date relatively soon. Make it clear you are interested romantically.

Go after women that are 18 up to their mid 20s that are serious about being Christian. You can usually tell. This is the only group that is worth approaching in my experience. This is what I'm currently focusing on. Quality over quantity.

 

[Blade Runner]

A more refined and updated view on the red pill and current sexual market socio-dynamics is hoe_math channel on youtube. Highly recommended because the God pillers over here would rather have you die a virgin.

You are obviously an esoteric individual/poster (and I hate using that word individual, it seems so impersonal), but I've been fighting against this general ethos here and I'm Orthodox, and try to be devoted. It's a weird thing that comes out in a lot of religious affiliations, that being a type of nihilism, which is implicit in such silly (and only retrospective) statements as in "If it's the will of God" or "if it is for your salvation" or if God/person X/whomever "sees it fit" then X will happen. While all of those ideas can be true to an extent, they are far more silly and pedantic than helpful or thoughtful, in my opinion.

 

[Blade Runner]

Go after women that are 18 up to their mid 20s that are serious about being Christian. You can usually tell. This is the only group that is worth approaching in my experience. This is what I'm currently focusing on. Quality over quantity.

I totally agree with you but at the same time, this is beyond laughable in its ability to be practiced if in the West. Some may disagree but these opportunities are not afforded and are often, in fact, punished either legally or socially. Sad stuff.

 

[KomnenAl]

the God pillers over here would rather have you die a virgin.

Yes.

 

[stadtaffe]

and the women are on a purity spiral so bad they'll yell "MOLESTEEEEEEEEERRRRRR" over you asking the time

Are you imagining that or is that really how it is in your region?

If you have the right body language, tone of voice, facial expression that should not happen. Well, I can imagine in certain places with an overly poisoned culture or university campuses you may get that, but if you are living somewhere with some level of sane culture and your approach is mainly okay, that should not happen.

 

[God's lonely asperger]

Are you imagining that or is that really how it is in your region?

Not really in my region. People drink, get abusive, use drugs, etc. and retreat to church for forgiveness, while also overcompensating depending on the person. Over here women just tend to not have etiquette along with it, so you get some nasty stares from the opposite sex.

If you have the right body language, tone of voice, facial expression that should not happen. Well, I can imagine in certain places with an overly poisoned culture or university campuses you may get that, but if you are living somewhere with some level of sane culture and your approach is mainly okay, that should not happen.

I feel like you're only saying this because it's Sunday. My mother (biological woman) also dislikes the general manners women (biological women with chromosomes) in my church have.
Culture is culture, but I really can't blame these women for getting a little too "holier-than-thou". I just get a bit upset when I lock eyes with a woman I awkwardly asked for directions one time, and she genuinely thought I was after her 2012 edition of the Geneva Study Bible! It really isn't hard to stop the stares and address silly things.
To quote Scarface "The eyes Chico, they neva lie".

 

[analyst_green]

Go after women that are 18 up to their mid 20s that are serious about being Christian. You can usually tell. This is the only group that is worth approaching in my experience. This is what I'm currently focusing on. Quality over quantity.

Brother I would love to but it's not like we are seeing women worth approaching all day everyday. Care to share some wisdom on where you're finding these women with the rest of us bozos?

 

[Douglas Quaid]

Brother I would love to but it's not like we are seeing women worth approaching all day everyday. Care to share some wisdom on where you're finding these women with the rest of us bozos?

The only places I go to are pretty much work, church, a few outdoor hobbies (golf, skiing, mountain biking, etc), and a right-wing, Christian coffee shop. Picture a place like Cheers but coffee instead of alcohol. I also usher at church and go to some of their events like barbecues. The women and people in general I meet are at places like that. It has taken a while to become a member of the local Christian community but well worth it.

This is the best way I've discovered to meet women with potential or friends in general. No bars, no Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, etc.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

I’m very far from an expert, but I’m a thinking man so naturally I got opinions coming out the wazoo.

I’m going to reiterate what most people said already about reading other people’s energy as well as watching your own energy.

Women are very socially conscious so when you’re traversing the world you don’t want to behave like a guest or an outsider. A woman basically thinks there’s a camera pointed at her at all times. Look at your interaction like a movie, when you’re watching Batman do ever see mid scene some bum jump out of nowhere asking Batman for a cigarette? That would be pretty weird, would take you out of the moment and you would want the movie to get back on track. Same for a woman, everything you do has to be linear storytelling wise.

You don’t want carry yourself like you’re constantly seeking an invitation or permission. This translates very strongly to you communication and behavior. Behave like a fan, get treated like a fan.

So for example if you go to a bar, why would someone go to a bar? They go to have a “good” time and make friends. Is it hard to make friends? Why would it be if you think you’re a good guy with intelligent thoughts? So a “normal” man walks into a bar with that energy. You look for openings, you look for an opportunity to make a joke, you look for an opportunity to play pool or something and you jump on it. This goes in regards to both men and women, and you should always be talking to both. If you don’t know anyone, is that weird? Is it weird to go somewhere for the first time? So why would you try to hide this fact and try to act cool and uninterested?

If you walk into a bar, go sit in a corner and start drowning yourself in booze, what’s going to happen? You’re going leave alone, you might as well forget about approaching women once you’re buzzed out of your mind and think it’s a good idea.

If you’re nervous about opening a conversation, then a psychological trick is to always open with something that you actually want to say or want to know. So if I want to know the time, I can confortably ask for the time. If a woman rolls her eyes at me and walks away I will literally think she’s retarded, even if I like her. What kind of stupid b**** can’t answer a simple question? You see how that works psychologically?