Situation in the Red Sea (Houthi Thread)

TruckDriver9 said:
Logistics - since US bases in the Persian Gulf and in Djibouti are in range of Houthi's missiles and drones, we might have to rely on Seychelles infrastructure sustainment-wise.
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A big part of this is that this provides Shipping companies an economic benefit by using their excess capacity of container ships.

Ocean freight companies are dictating to The USN/JTF is unacceptable.

These companies are getting millions from the US DOD. Them refusing to transit with an escort is a big very big problem.

 
Get2choppaaa said:
A big part of this is that this provides Shipping companies an economic benefit by using their excess capacity of container ships.

Ocean freight companies are dictating to The USN/JTF is unacceptable.

These companies are getting millions from the US DOD. Them refusing to transit with an escort is a big very big problem.
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Can't really blame them, they've got more than enough leverage to force policy change in the US. We gave them that leverage ourselves: outsourcing our sealift capabilities onto them, otherwise we wouldn't be able to afford to sustain all of our military bases around the whole world.
This entire crisis highlights the importance of shipping in terms of US strategic interests. We need American companies, under strong oversight to handle at least, those routes which are of dual military-civilian purpose - otherwise we'll keep finding ourselves at the whim of those shipping giants.


The last segment, starting at 15:30, is great.
I highly recommend it to everyone.
Get2choppaaa said:
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He's also on Xitter with quality posts/threads: like this one on the challenges our destroyers are already facing, supply-wise, in the Red Sea.




And now, with shipping companies unwilling to sail through the Red Sea, and deliver suplies to Djibouti, this challenge only grows, even without Houthi's strikes at our FOBs. That's where the Seychelles may come in handy - no need for vessels to come close to Yemen with dot mil cargo, and far enough to provide safety for maintenance/ordnance.
 
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TruckDriver9 said:
Can't really blame them, they've got more than enough leverage to force policy change in the US. We gave them that leverage ourselves: outsourcing our sealift capabilities onto them, otherwise we wouldn't be able to afford to sustain all of our military bases around the whole world.
This entire crisis highlights the importance of shipping in terms of US strategic interests. We need American companies, under strong oversight to handle at least, those routes which are of dual military-civilian purpose - otherwise we'll keep finding ourselves at the whim of those shipping giants.


The last segment, starting at 15:30, is great.
I highly recommend it to everyone.

He's also on Xitter with quality posts/threads: like this one on the challenges our destroyers are already facing, supply-wise, in the Red Sea.


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I'm glad to see Sal's posts here too .
The dude is great at synthesizing industry knowledge.

Must follow
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
LOL, this is just too funny.

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So are you suggesting that somehow 40 year old mine sweeper technology is incapable of solve this problem?

The year implication does not mean that its not capable of the job....

Also for the sake of the US servicemen on the ship.... you should hope they dont hit a mine... or maybe you'd like to revel in the deaths of US military servicemen?

I dont understand the gloating in negative presentation of US forces trying to ensure global trade continues.... I suppose you like rising rates for goods and are in a personal position to afford continued inflation of consumer goods?
 
Get2choppaaa said:
So are you suggesting that somehow 40 year old mine sweeper technology is incapable of solve this problem?

The year implication does not mean that its not capable of the job....

Also for the sake of the US servicemen on the ship.... you should hope they dont hit a mine... or maybe you'd like to revel in the deaths of US military servicemen?

I dont understand the gloating in negative presentation of US forces trying to ensure global trade continues.... I suppose you like rising rates for goods and are in a personal position to afford continued inflation of consumer goods?
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I'm suggesting that the CEO of Raytheon got his bonus check every year, as did people like Nikki Haley for pushing wars, but the men who have to fight in these wars get stuck using 40 year old technology.

I don't understand supporting the great satan. Do you want to turn the world into a giant third world hellhole where only a few elites live a good life and the rest of the world suffers greatly under satan's rule? If not, then how do you plan to prevent it, if the countries fighting against it are wiped off the map?
 
The Red Sea crisis is already affecting western companies.
From straitstimes:
Electrolux, the world’s largest appliance company, has set up a task force to find alternative routes or identify priority deliveries, while Inter Ikea has warned of potential product shortages.
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Inter Ikea said it is looking at alternative transportation options to the canal, a key route for the budget furniture maker.
“The situation in the Suez Canal will result in delays and may cause availability constraints for certain Ikea products,” it said.
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Dairy giant Danone said most of its shipments had been diverted, increasing transit times.
Should the situation continue beyond two to three months, the group will activate mitigation plans, including using alternative routes via sea or road wherever possible, a spokesperson said.
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Walmart, the largest US importer via container ships, declined comment.
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The longer journey will cost up to US$1 million extra in fuel for every round trip between Asia and Northern Europe, according to estimates from freight platform Xeneta.
Retailers and manufacturers are likely to pass on the higher costs to consumers, potentially boosting inflation during a prolonged cost-of-living crisis.
“This is a cost that will ultimately be passed on to consumers who are buying the goods,” said Xeneta chief analyst Peter Sand.
Travelling via southern Africa will add about 10 days on to a journey from Asia to North Europe and the East Mediterranean, experts said.
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trade routes BBC.webp
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
LOL, this is just too funny.

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I'm 50-50 on the LOL factor - I get Your point, however there are still dozens of civilian vessels sailing through the Bab-el-Mandeb Strait every day and just a handful of warships in the area, so the probability of a merchant ship hitting one of those mines is higher. And with time, currents and storms will scatter those mines across both the Red and Arabian Seas where they will pose a threat for years to come.
Something similar already happened in the Black Sea, where mines drifted away from the ukrainian coast and damaged several civilian ships.
 
TruckDriver9 said:
I'm 50-50 on the LOL factor - I get Your point, however there are still dozens of civilian vessels sailing through the Bab-el-Mandeb Strait every day and just a handful of warships in the area, so the probability of a merchant ship hitting one of those mines is higher. And with time, currents and storms will scatter those mines across both the Red and Arabian Seas where they will pose a threat for years to come.
Something similar already happened in the Black Sea, where mines drifted away from the ukrainian coast and damaged several civilian ships.
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For me it is LOL for three reasons.

#1) Tough luck Wall Street, you finally found out and now your profits will go up in smoke.
#2) Tough luck asleep middle class, time to wake up to the rising costs and the causes of supporting satanic Israel.
#3) Our elites thought they could strongarm China and jump ship from the USA to China once they sucked us dry. Too bad, you are stuck here in the mess you made and you are going to regret it.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
For me it is LOL for three reasons.

#1) Tough luck Wall Street, you finally found out and now your profits will go up in smoke.
#2) Tough luck asleep middle class, time to wake up to the rising costs and the causes of supporting satanic Israel.
#3) Our elites thought they could strongarm China and jump ship from the USA to China once they sucked us dry. Too bad, you are stuck here in the mess you made and you are going to regret it.
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TruckDriver9 said:
I'm 50-50 on the LOL factor - I get Your point, however there are still dozens of civilian vessels sailing through the Bab-el-Mandeb Strait every day and just a handful of warships in the area, so the probability of a merchant ship hitting one of those mines is higher. And with time, currents and storms will scatter those mines across both the Red and Arabian Seas where they will pose a threat for years to come.
Something similar already happened in the Black Sea, where mines drifted away from the ukrainian coast and damaged several civilian ships.
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Driver youre 100% on point. Enjoying the Houthi acts heres is a sign of someone who's totally in for internet points and disconnected from the reality of the implications. Some people like to enjoy the collapse at the expense of the society they're casting stones from.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
Driver youre 100% on point. Enjoying the Houthi acts heres is a sign of someone who's totally in for internet points and disconnected from the reality of the implications. Some people like to enjoy the collapse at the expense of the society they're casting stones from.
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It is going to collapse anyway, might as well enjoy the ride. I'm not happy about, but I can't change that. It would take a time machine and a lot of brave men to go back with me to fix the serious issues we face. I have neither available to me.

The collapse will play out one of two ways.

#1) Like the USSR, we are all stuck holding the bag and the satanic elites laugh on their way to China or India and then start to attack us from there and eventually come back to try to kill us out with their new empire.

#2) The elites are stuck here with us and get to deal with the consequences for their decisions. The quicker the collapse the more likely this happens, they can't run and hide right now.
 
Man, Israel really stepped into it this time. Even if they can some how pull out of this, save face, not give up any land, everyone now hates them and the govt's we bribe with our tax dollars to not attack Israel, will have problems on their hands going forward.

The whole US collapsing is amazing. We have BLM allowed to run wild and burn down entire city blocks, while Chump gives our tax dollars to Black Rock to bail them out. Then Biden comes in, gets destroyed in Ukraine, the east sees how bad our "high technology" performs when it is really tested, and now they are turning their backs on us.

Meanwhile, the guys we have tried to bomb into the ground are mocking us, taking it to us, and calling us and our allies out if we dare do anything about it.

 
It_Is_My_Time said:
LOL, this is just too funny.

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A disclaimer has been added to the last tweet. The post is not true. There is a lot of misinfo doing the rounds, usually magnified by low/non- info Twitter/TG accounts that are clickbaity and/or manned by dimwits. Obviously lots of it gets picked up by other channels without double checking etc.

Ansarallah is not mining the Red Sea, not that anyone could possibly know of at least. The picture is from 2018 and Ansarallah still maintains that the Red Sea is open for all shipping that doesn't concern Israel.
 
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LaAguilaNegra said:
A disclaimer has been added to the last tweet. The post is not true. There is a lot of misinfo doing the rounds, usually magnified by low/non- info Twitter/TG accounts that are clickbaity and/or manned by dimwits. Obviously lots of it gets picked up by other channels without double checking etc.

Ansarallah is not mining the Red Sea, not that anyone could possibly know of at least. The picture is from 2018 and Ansarallah still maintains that the Red Sea is open for all shipping that doesn't concern Israel.
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Except that doesn't seem to be the case.

 
LaAguilaNegra said:
Ansarallah maintains that every targeted vessel gets contacted before being attacked - either to change course or turn around.

If there isn't a reply or the ship continues course it will be attacked.

Whether this is true nobody knows.
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But you said that they are saying they are only attacking Israeli trafficking vessels.

I'm showing, unless I'm missing something... That this is not the case with Hapag Lloyd and MSC ships here.
 
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