Nick Fuentes Thread

[FrancisK]

No, the working conditions you speak of were prior to WW2. Yes, work was physical, but that beats working in an office in a feminine environment. The pay was enough to afford a house, even with land, and to start a family in their 20's. Most today can't afford even half of that in their 30's, and that doesn't include getting to own land, which is way beyond most people today.

There is nothing better today than it was 70 years ago, in every aspect our country has gone down hill. The fall off post 9/11 was even more drastic. And now the country is in shambles. I am personally thankful to not have kids in this country, the future they will inherit will be either bleak or extremely violent. There is no argument that the country is better in any aspect, and young men realize this. And the worse it gets, the more young men will wake up to this reality and organize to change it.

I'll ignore the topic changing and stick to the topic we were discussing.



It sounds to me like you simply want an easy life, but you also wanted more out of life than you got....those two don't really go hand in hand.

You don't have to work in an office, getting a worthless paper degree (which I did myself but never worked with the degree as I realized it wasn't a good path) and working in an office is seeking the easy life and 50-70 years ago very few "working class" had that option. There are many manual labor trades right now that would allow one to live a very secure, if not lavish, lifestyle.

I don't think you have a realistic view of what it meant to be working class back then, those common factory jobs back then would be considered prison labor camps today. Also the houses you keep referring to that these working class bought and lived in back then, the 20 something year olds today wouldn't live in those houses for free. What you see on tv and Hollywood isn't real life, go take a look at those houses built in the 50's where working class people lived, not the nice charming houses that people fixed up and modernized, go look at the 1100 sq ft one bathroom for 3 bedrooms barely a kitchen to speak of house that 6 people lived in two or 3 to a room. There are lots of other glaring things that no 20 something year old would find unacceptable today but we can just stick to houses, hell sharing a room isn't even acceptable anymore. I think you're confusing upper class with "working class", they were very different from what they are today.

I'll also add that I know multiple 20 something year olds who got married bought houses and are starting families, right in my family tree. They all have one thing in common, they work their asses off for it because it's worth it.

 

[budoslavic]

Yes, this did happen, my grandparents and parents lived in those days.

Keep pushing the boomer talking points. I

Didn't your grandparents pop out a couple of kids to build a family? Aren't your parents boomer too? I'm confused...

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I'll ignore the topic changing and stick to the topic we were discussing.



It sounds to me like you simply want an easy life, but you also wanted more out of life than you got....those two don't really go hand in hand.

You don't have to work in an office, getting a worthless paper degree (which I did myself but never worked with the degree as I realized it wasn't a good path) and working in an office is seeking the easy life and 50-70 years ago very few "working class" had that option. There are many manual labor trades right now that would allow one to live a very secure, if not lavish, lifestyle.

I don't think you have a realistic view of what it meant to be working class back then, those common factory jobs back then would be considered prison labor camps today. Also the houses you keep referring to that these working class bought and lived in back then, the 20 something year olds today wouldn't live in those houses for free. What you see on tv and Hollywood isn't real life, go take a look at those houses built in the 50's where working class people lived, not the nice charming houses that people fixed up and modernized, go look at the 1100 sq ft one bathroom for 3 bedrooms barely a kitchen to speak of house that 6 people lived in two or 3 to a room. There are lots of other glaring things that no 20 something year old would find unacceptable today but we can just stick to houses, hell sharing a room isn't even acceptable anymore. I think you're confusing upper class with "working class", they were very different from what they are today.

I'll also add that I know multiple 20 something year olds who got married bought houses and are starting families, right in my family tree. They all have one thing in common, they work their asses off for it because it's worth it.

My degree is far from worthless and was in high demand until the H-1B visa workers were brought in to undercut hard working and highly skilled employees. I wouldn't make as much in physical manual labor as I do at my current job.

I have a very realistic idea of what it was like. I literally grew up on the same land, running farm equipment. It was work, but the situation was far better than it is now. If you think you can talk to me and other young men into accepting third world invasion and destruction of our way of living, you are very mistaken. I know the history, I lived through some of it, things were drastically better in all ways back then, especially working conditions and pay per COL.

I do see you and @Get2choppaaa using the NAXL argument. Remember, when talking to me, I am holding back a ton of things I know and your boomer talking points are never going to land. But pulling out the NAXL is not going to work at all. So, you two know a few people who are making it. Is that the consensus? If you were to tell the 10's of millions of young men who can't afford a home and a family that you know a few who can that it will ease their concern? Do you think you can tell people that are seeing everything good in their country be destroyed by immigration, that things are actually better today than they were 50 years ago, and they will believe you? You guys need to just admit things are dire, very dire, and that Trump will do little to nothing to address it.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Didn't your grandparents pop out a couple of kids to build a family? Aren't your parents boomer too? I'm confused...

How can you be confused? Do you not realize things were so much better when my parents were in their 20's they could easily afford to do so? How could you post on this forum and be unaware of this fact?

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

He should be calling on all of his followers to have large families.

He has called for this. Here's an example, though here he's doing it in a very jokey way:

 

[Get2choppaaa]

My degree is far from worthless and was in high demand until the H-1B visa workers were brought in to undercut hard working and highly skilled employees. I wouldn't make as much in physical manual labor as I do at my current job.

I have a very realistic idea of what it was like. I literally grew up on the same land, running farm equipment. It was work, but the situation was far better than it is now. If you think you can talk to me and other young men into accepting third world invasion and destruction of our way of living, you are very mistaken. I know the history, I lived through some of it, things were drastically better in all ways back then, especially working conditions and pay per COL.

What world are you living in. We are all against importing the 3rd world here.

Are you so far in the Internet vortex you're not seeing the effective change we are witnessing and will be witnessing in the next 4 years starting on day 1 yesterday?

I do see you and @Get2choppaaa using the NAXL argument. Remember, when talking to me, I am holding back a ton of things I know and your boomer talking points are never going to land. But pulling out the NAXL is not going to work at all. So, you two know a few people who are making it.

Is that the consensus? If you were to tell the 10's of millions of young men who can't afford a home and a family that you know a few who can that it will ease their concern? Do you think you can tell people that are seeing everything good in their country be destroyed by immigration, that things are actually better today than they were 50 years ago, and they will believe you? You guys need to just admit things are dire, very dire, and that Trump will do little to nothing to address it.

Who says you need to buy a home at 20?

Why is that a prerequisite for anything?

No where in God's commandments to be fruitful and multiply didn't say " you must own a home at 28, make 120k a year and have 200k in your retirement "

There's literally zero point in arguing with you because you're going to continue to dodge the point.

You're culpable for your own situation.

No fucking body else.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

What world are you living in. We are all against importing the 3rd world here.

Are you so far in the Internet vortex you're not seeing the effective change we are witnessing and will be witnessing in the next 4 years starting on day 1 yesterday?





Who says you need to buy a home at 20?

Why is that a prerequisite for anything?

No where in God's commandments to be fruitful and multiply didn't say " you must own a home at 28, make 120k a year and have 200k in your retirement "

There's literally zero point in arguing with you because you're going to continue to dodge the point.

You're culpable for your own situation.

No fucking body else.

I'll wait until any big Trump change actually does anything to improve my life and the life of millions of working class Americans. Until then, it is just the same Trump, all talk and no action.

Keep pushing the boomer talking points. Telling young men that if they are willing to work 60 hours a week that it still isn't enough to afford a house and a family is a great recipe for pushing them my direction.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

He has called for this. Here's an example, though here he's doing it in a very jokey way:

Whoever uploaded this clip added obnoxious music to it, and in the middle of the video, it's interrupted by footage of horses and landscapes but then continues after a bit. This is just absurd. See, this is a limitation that comes with the fact that Nick is a streamer, you depend on these clipper accounts to save these things. Anything Nick says which does not get clipped just gets lost forever in the sea of endless multi-hour-long VODs. And these clippers are often just really unintelligent people.

I think a lot of people's negative opinions of Nick come from just watching out of context clips uploaded by malicious individuals. A lot of the Nick Fuentes clips that have gone viral over the years were uploaded by RightWingWatch, if I remember correctly, which uploads clips cut in such a way that they paint him in a bad light. You really don't know what this guy is even about until you've watched his show a few times.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I'll wait until any big Trump change actually does anything to improve my life and the life of millions of working class Americans. Until then, it is just the same Trump, all talk and no action.

Keep pushing the boomer talking points. Telling young men that if they are willing to work 60 hours a week that it still isn't enough to afford a house and a family is a great recipe for pushing them my direction.

There you go with your delusions of grandeur.

No one is saying they need to work 60 hours a week. No one is saying they need to own a home.

But you can absolutely get a job, start a family and own a home at 25. It's not gonna be the fucking Ritz Carlton. But who says it needs to be on your starter home.

As I've said many many many times, you like to look for someone else to blame rather than yourself for your shortcomings.

The end result of your ideology is to pedal poison and pathway to justifying despair.

Someone has to push back on your infections bullshit now and again.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

There you go with your delusions of grandeur.

No one is saying they need to work 60 hours a week. No one is saying they need to own a home.

But you can absolutely get a job, start a family and own a home at 25. It's not gonna be the fucking Ritz Carlton. But who says it needs to be on your starter home.

As I've said many many many times, you like to look for someone else to blame rather than yourself for your shortcomings.

The end result of your ideology is to pedal poison and pathway to justifying despair.

Someone has to push back on your infections bullshit now and again.

No, most young people can't do this. This debate literally played out twitter last week, with "conservative" influences like Matt Walsh taking your talking points and getting absolutely crushed. That is why so many young men are now third party, neither political offers any solutions to the serious problems they face. Your talking points are literally boomer conservatism and no longer work. But I am glad you make them so more young people can see that conservatism offers them no future. And this is why Nick's popularity is soaring, despite Trump's minions attacking him. Trump has some major work to do to win them back.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

No, most young people can't do this. This debate literally played out twitter last week, with "conservative" influences like Matt Walsh taking your talking points and getting absolutely crushed. That is why so many young men are now third party, neither political offers any solutions to the serious problems they face. Your talking points are literally boomer conservatism and no longer work. But I am glad you make them so more young people can see that conservatism offers them no future. And this is why Nick's popularity is soaring, despite Trump's minions attacking him. Trump has some major work to do to win them back.

You're telling me a young person can't make it on 50k for a couple years as they grow and process through their early career and I'll call you a liar.

A 50k job isn't exactly unheard of post college

Pick any city. I'll use Houston since I'm in Texas. You could use Atlanta or Boise. Doesn't matter.
As of July 2024, the overall median rent in Houston is $1,311. For one-bedrooms, that median rate is $1,157 per month. Two bedrooms are closer to $1,372.

Let's inflate that up Rent: $2000
Car payment+ insurance $1000 (that's an expensive car but let's just say it's 400 for the insurance and 600 for the car)
Food: $1000
Utlities/(electricity water ECT cell phone : $500
Misc bills and entertainment 500

Basic budget is 4000 a month.

Yeah it's not what I have at 35 with a shitload of kids and multiple vehicles... But that's totally doable as a steering point and youre going to grow over time.

 

[FrancisK]

My degree is far from worthless and was in high demand until the H-1B visa workers were brought in to undercut hard working and highly skilled employees. I wouldn't make as much in physical manual labor as I do at my current job.

I have a very realistic idea of what it was like. I literally grew up on the same land, running farm equipment. It was work, but the situation was far better than it is now. If you think you can talk to me and other young men into accepting third world invasion and destruction of our way of living, you are very mistaken. I know the history, I lived through some of it, things were drastically better in all ways back then, especially working conditions and pay per COL.

I do see you and @Get2choppaaa using the NAXL argument. Remember, when talking to me, I am holding back a ton of things I know and your boomer talking points are never going to land. But pulling out the NAXL is not going to work at all. So, you two know a few people who are making it. Is that the consensus? If you were to tell the 10's of millions of young men who can't afford a home and a family that you know a few who can that it will ease their concern? Do you think you can tell people that are seeing everything good in their country be destroyed by immigration, that things are actually better today than they were 50 years ago, and they will believe you? You guys need to just admit things are dire, very dire, and that Trump will do little to nothing to address it.

I was going to start another reply with "going to ignore the attempt to change the topic" but your entire reply was about different topics than we were discussing so what am I even replying to at this point?!

Also funny that on a forum filled with guys who revere farming and manual labor you've never once mentioned that you used it run farm equipment. How have you not engaged anyone on that topic at all on here? Is it another one of your mother goose tales to fit your arguments or is it that the only reason you're here is to poison everything so any other topic is pointless to discuss for you?


I've honestly never been more confused by you and that is saying a lot.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

You're telling me a young person can't make it on 50k for a couple years as they grow and process through their early career and I'll call you a liar.

A 50k job isn't exactly unheard of post college

As of July 2024, the overall median rent in Houston is $1,311. For one-bedrooms, that median rate is $1,157 per month. Two bedrooms are closer to $1,372.

Let's inflate that up Rent: $2000
Car payment+ insurance $1000 (that's an expensive car but let's just say it's 400 for the insurance and 600 for the car)
Food: $1000
Utlities/(electricity water ECT cell phone : $500
Misc bills and entertainment 500

Basic budget is 4000 a month.

Yeah it's not what I have at 35 with a shitload of kids and multiple vehicles... But that's totally doable as a steering point and youre going to grow over time.

Yes, the math was done in the twitter debate, that is exactly what I am saying. That most young people simply cannot make it based on average income v. COL, due to immigration and the collapse of the USD. Matt Walsh made an incredibly stupid post about working at Panda Express and then the young guys dug into it and realized the hours needed to work as a manager at a place like that, and the income advertised and the COL to live within a 30 minute drive, left them with little to nothing after working 70 hours a week.

You also left out healthcare, and at my company, if you have kids then your payment is $1,400 a month for 80/20 $7,000 deducible insurance. The cost of insurance alone kills off the hope of most 20 somethings, much less the H1B visa workers and the immigrant class.

And things are only going to get worse, unless Trump goes after Wall Street and confiscates their unfair earnings, and I don't see that happening. So, more and more men will go away from conservatism and towards nationalism. This isn't a new thing at all, in fact this is the very reason fascism rose so quickly in Europe 100 years ago. Hitler wrote about how conservatives seem to exist just to lose but lose with honor. We are just repeating the same history.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I was going to start another reply with "going to ignore the attempt to change the topic" but your entire reply was about different topics than we were discussing so what am I even replying to at this point?!

Also funny that on a forum filled with guys who revere farming and manual labor you've never once mentioned that you used it run farm equipment. How have you not engaged anyone on that topic at all on here? Is it another one of your mother goose tales to fit your arguments or is it that the only reason you're here is to poison everything so any other topic is pointless to discuss for you?


I've honestly never been more confused by you and that is saying a lot.

I've never seen anyone on here mention farming. I have seen people talk about moving to the rural areas and I have chimed in and explained it wouldn't be near as easy as they expect it to be, being I am from a rural community.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

You're telling me a young person can't make it on 50k for a couple years as they grow and process through their early career and I'll call you a liar.

A 50k job isn't exactly unheard of post college

Pick any city. I'll use Houston since I'm in Texas. You could use Atlanta or Boise. Doesn't matter.
As of July 2024, the overall median rent in Houston is $1,311. For one-bedrooms, that median rate is $1,157 per month. Two bedrooms are closer to $1,372.

Let's inflate that up Rent: $2000
Car payment+ insurance $1000 (that's an expensive car but let's just say it's 400 for the insurance and 600 for the car)
Food: $1000
Utlities/(electricity water ECT cell phone : $500
Misc bills and entertainment 500

Basic budget is 4000 a month.

Yeah it's not what I have at 35 with a shitload of kids and multiple vehicles... But that's totally doable as a steering point and youre going to grow over time.

Yea sure but this young person has to compete with infinity Indians and Mexicans for that 50k job.

Corporate America Promised to Hire a Lot More People of Color. It Actually Did.

In the year following the Black Lives Matter protests, S&P 100 companies added more diverse workforces.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Yea sure but this young person has to compete with infinity Indians and Mexicans for that 50k job.

Corporate America Promised to Hire a Lot More People of Color. It Actually Did.

In the year following the Black Lives Matter protests, S&P 100 companies added more diverse workforces.

www.bloomberg.com

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Yeah we all agree that's wrong and h1bs should be abolished.

But it doesn't mean that those jobs aren't there.

That's besides the point and not my argument dude.

 

[FrancisK]

I've never seen anyone on here mention farming. I have seen people talk about moving to the rural areas and I have chimed in and explained it wouldn't be near as easy as they expect it to be, being I am from a rural community.

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Thread 'Farming Thread'

Oct 21, 2023

For those who are farmers or interested in farming. For those with an interest in homesteading, see this thread.

• Cynllo
• Replies: 41
• Forum: Agrarian, Relocation & Preparedness

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You should venture outside the political and culture forums more....there is a lot of good on this forum it doesn't have to be all consuming negativity.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

Yeah we all agree that's wrong and h1bs should be abolished.

But it doesn't mean that those jobs aren't there.

That's besides the point and not my argument dude.

In a lot of industries they outright aren't there anymore. Not for white guys. I'm just saying things are a lot harder now for young people than they used to be. I'm doing well but things are looking grim for many people I know.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Yes, the math was done in the twitter debate, that is exactly what I am saying. That most young people simply cannot make it based on average income v. COL, due to immigration and the collapse of the USD. Matt Walsh made an incredibly stupid post about working at Panda Express and then the young guys dug into it and realized the hours needed to work as a manager at a place like that, and the income advertised and the COL to live within a 30 minute drive, left them with little to nothing after working 70 hours a week.

You also left out healthcare, and at my company, if you have kids then your payment is $1,400 a month for 80/20 $7,000 deducible insurance. The cost of insurance alone kills off the hope of most 20 somethings, much less the H1B visa workers and the immigrant class.

And things are only going to get worse, unless Trump goes after Wall Street and confiscates their unfair earnings, and I don't see that happening. So, more and more men will go away from conservatism and towards nationalism. This isn't a new thing at all, in fact this is the very reason fascism rose so quickly in Europe 100 years ago. Hitler wrote about how conservatives seem to exist just to lose but lose with honor. We are just repeating the same history.

Ok add 1500 a month for health care.

As a single person the base plan is usually around 700 to 1000 a month so that's 62k

But let's assume it's a married couple right after college. That's 75k.

Again totally doable. A welder can absolutely do that by 25. A college grad should be able to do that also. I've worked in companies ranging from 180 people to 1800 people to 180000 people (military) this is all mathematically reality.

My point is that choosing NOT to start a family at 25 or whatevet is a choice.

But you can't argue that mathematically it's not possible.

 

[FrancisK]

In a lot of industries they outright aren't there anymore. Not for white guys. I'm just saying things are a lot harder now for young people than they used to be. I'm doing well but things are looking grim for many people I know.

Are they though? I think it's just a different scale now....