Virginity is just the starting point, the bare minimum hurdle. A lot of other things are needed in conjunction with virginity. Its not a guarantee of success. A house needs more than just a foundation to be livable.
Marriage: Virgins vs Non-virgins
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Virginity is just icing on the cake, brother. You're confusing cause with effect. Virginity is the effect of a pure spirit, which is the cause.
Seek the spirit, not the effects, and you'll get the effects you're looking for without focusing on externalities that ultimately mean nothing.
Hence why every whore is born a virgin.
Even if what you are saying is true purity of spirit is nebulous and difficult to measure. At least virginity is more recognizable and quantifiable benchmark as imperfect as it is.
It's easy to recognize if you have the Holy Spirit in yourself. For example, join a good Antiochian Church, pray and worship for years until you feel the Holy Spirit yourself, and then you will be able to recognize it in others - especially women.
Virginity on the other hand - impossible to know if a girl is a virgin or not until you've slept with her. Extremely difficult to find virgins as well. And then you never know who she might turn out to be because she's just a young woman who has yet to be tempted and tested.
Conversely if you see the Holy Spirit in a young girl, then you probably can assume not only will she be a virgin, but she'll be loyal to you too.
Can you explain how I could see the Holy spirit in another person? As a non-Christian I genuinely do not understand. I am not even sure the holy spirit exists to be honest. I prayed multiple times for God/Jesus to reveal himself to me but nothing happened. I am yet to shake my skepticism regarding Christianity as I have not personally seen any evidence of a Christian god or Christ being the "only begotten son of god" which by the way what does that even mean? Are we not all supposedly children of god? As for Christ being "the son of man", what does that even mean? At this stage I cannot be Christian because I have not personally seen sufficient evidence to support a belief in Christianity but I am open to changing my mind in the future should I see such evidence at a later date.
Are orthodox priests supposed to be imbued with special powers that the laity do not possess? Like if I get baptized by one and ask them to pray for me to have faith or something is that something that would cause a spiritual awakening and would bring me to believe in the power of Christ? I do not understand how Christianity works to be honest and there are too many things about Christianity (and all major religions really) which seems confusing and illogical to me.
I am at the point where it seems to be scientifically absurd to me that the universe created itself without some type of divine/supernatural intervention, but anything beyond that seems to lack sufficient evidence to me (including Christianity).
By the way if anyone wants to pray for me to receive the gift of faith that would be appreciated/welcome. I do not believe in Christianity at this point but I certainly have a lot of respect for it.
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Caduceus
Heritage
These theological questions belong in a totally different thread, of which we have several.
You wouldn't want God to reveal Himself directly to you, same with Jesus, they would completely overwhelm and annihilate you. What you really want is the Holy Spirit, which is similar to the oxygen we breath, that comes out of God, to fill you with faith and knowledge of the Divine.
God isn't looking to sell Himself; he's not going to come to you (or anyone else) just because you want a virgin wife, or to be rich and powerful, for example. God comes to those who seek His Love and Understanding. He always takes care of those whom He loves, but first you must seek Him for his own sake and not for any other reason.
Pray the Lord's prayer, but also, pray like this, "My God, help me find you and your Son, teach me Your ways so that I may know your Wisdom, help me find you Lord so that I may have a happy and blessed life like you want me to have, and I will be faithful to you always."
I recommend to make these prayers, and other prayers concerning your life, while attending English speaking Orthodox services (Antiochian or Russian, typically). Have patience. Show dedication to God, and if you are sincere then He will come to you.
Remember, God owes us nothing. He helps us out of Love and Kindness, not because He needs us to believe in Him or anything. So be humble, show him love and respect, and He will return it to you tenfold, when you least expect it usually as well. He will also show you who you really are, and what you actually need.
I think his question is very relevant to the topic and you can see how we got here from the discussion in this thread.
AEON
Oriental Orthodox
Tone down the swears and vulgarity (1-point)
Although slutmaker sounds better, I’d use slut-revealer. If a girl has slutty spirit, it will sooner or later resurface.
I’ve interacted with many virgins from different religions, and I’m speaking from experience - 98% of entire virgins on Earth are virgin for one and only reason: To use that “Ace” card to cover a whole spectrum of serious shortcomings. That’s all. A huge fucking period.
90% of virgins I’ve been with have given me both BJ’s and Anal sex, but refrained from regular intercourse BECAUSE they were not certain if the relationship would turn to something serious (multiply that by an average number of men these girls played that “Ace” card with). The remaining 10% of virgins eventually gave in and I became their first.
I’ve always tried to bring those 90% of girls into their senses by explaining that for us, Men, BJ’s, Anals, and Vaginal intercourse are equivalent. In fact, it’s a much bigger sin for girls to go around sucking and fucking everybody and yet lying and calling themselves virgins.
I’ll share just one example. I once deeply loved someone, and that love was nothing I ever experienced before. A beautiful, fun, young, loving Christian girl who went to Church on Sundays.
I ended up choosing another girl as a life partner because the girl I loved so much, did absolutely everything with me except losing her virginity. She thought her kitty was sacred and was meant to be preserved for her husband (hopping it would be me), however, she willingly and entirely offered her mouth and ass to be destroyed by me.
Again, it was a pure love we both had, but as an experienced man I couldn’t help but to constantly think about her actions. Questions like “well, how many other dudes have entered in an out of her mouth and ass before me”, or “wait a minute, does her choice to remain virgin mean she’s going to LIE to her future husband about being inexperienced, and by extension her Husband will never know about her mouth and ass being ripped open on a daily basis”. I ended up asking these questions straight up, and she confirmed my fears - as far as other men were concerned, she’s a Virgin 360, never seen a dick in her life.
Although I loved her so much, maybe even to this date, but I’d betray my own self if I were to move forward listening to my heart instead of the brain. Sure, my life may have been a little more fun with her and filled with reciprocated strong love, but I don’t imagine how I could remain a Man if I were marry her. How would I raise my daughter(s)?
I’ve interacted with many virgins from different religions, and I’m speaking from experience - 98% of entire virgins on Earth are virgin for one and only reason: To use that “Ace” card to cover a whole spectrum of serious shortcomings. That’s all. A huge fucking period.
90% of virgins I’ve been with have given me both BJ’s and Anal sex, but refrained from regular intercourse BECAUSE they were not certain if the relationship would turn to something serious (multiply that by an average number of men these girls played that “Ace” card with). The remaining 10% of virgins eventually gave in and I became their first.
I’ve always tried to bring those 90% of girls into their senses by explaining that for us, Men, BJ’s, Anals, and Vaginal intercourse are equivalent. In fact, it’s a much bigger sin for girls to go around sucking and fucking everybody and yet lying and calling themselves virgins.
I’ll share just one example. I once deeply loved someone, and that love was nothing I ever experienced before. A beautiful, fun, young, loving Christian girl who went to Church on Sundays.
I ended up choosing another girl as a life partner because the girl I loved so much, did absolutely everything with me except losing her virginity. She thought her kitty was sacred and was meant to be preserved for her husband (hopping it would be me), however, she willingly and entirely offered her mouth and ass to be destroyed by me.
Again, it was a pure love we both had, but as an experienced man I couldn’t help but to constantly think about her actions. Questions like “well, how many other dudes have entered in an out of her mouth and ass before me”, or “wait a minute, does her choice to remain virgin mean she’s going to LIE to her future husband about being inexperienced, and by extension her Husband will never know about her mouth and ass being ripped open on a daily basis”. I ended up asking these questions straight up, and she confirmed my fears - as far as other men were concerned, she’s a Virgin 360, never seen a dick in her life.
Although I loved her so much, maybe even to this date, but I’d betray my own self if I were to move forward listening to my heart instead of the brain. Sure, my life may have been a little more fun with her and filled with reciprocated strong love, but I don’t imagine how I could remain a Man if I were marry her. How would I raise my daughter(s)?
I understand if you feel that my post was a bit confronting, and I get that you feel a need to defend yourself. I thought it could have been worthwhile to offer you some "supportive accountability" (this reflects the first part of my post only, as noted, the rest was not directed at anyone in particular). I think I was mistaken and the first part of that post probably didn't help anyone. Oh well, we live and learn. I wrote to you because:
- It has been many years since we met. Yet it seems not too much has changed regarding your lady situation, as in, you are still "looking" for a relationship. (If your username is reflective of your internal dialogue, then such a lack of progress would not be surprising for any man).
- Your plan (being a 30+ atheist travelling overseas to random countries looking for an 18-year-old virgin to marry) seems unrealistic IMO. This opinion appears to reflect the near-unanimous view expressed at CIK so far. Also I was genuinely confused about why you didn't think there were foreign virgins worth approaching in Australia.
- I have experience in achieving the kind of relationship that you appear to be seeking. I'm also very familiar with the context of meeting foreign women in Australia. So I know concrete steps that you can take to get you closer to achieving your goals.
- Believe it or not, despite my distaste with your cynical and ungrateful username, I actually want you to succeed. I don’t think you are a bad guy.
- I enjoy writing and putting together resources that can help refine my view on a given topic, and, above all, I feel a sense of satisfaction when my knowledge/skills can give value to other people, especially those who have some level of common values.
Personally... if I had a goal, and someone I knew had already achieved such a goal or at least a very similar goal, and was offering his time and resources for FREE to help me achieve my goal, I would gladly listen to what that person had to say with an open mind.
I have shared many insights that could only be learnt through the ups and downs of real experience. I would recommend you try to re-read through my post and its videos/links with the mindset of "what can I learn from this" or "what value can I get from this" rather than "does this validate my existing beliefs?"
I don't think you are interested in asking for advice at this point, because you seem quite self-assured, but I'm putting this out there anyway. If you want to continue this chat, you can PM me here to organise a real conversation via Telegram sometime.
I appreciate you putting the effort into writing this. I personally have some different opinions that I believe may serve your goals more efficiently, but I'll leave it with you for now. I wish you all the best. See ya~
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"Why are you gay?" You are gay.
That is THE test. It shows you everything you need to know (selection pressure on women).
I don’t want to derail, but this sentiment is very common, I’ve yet to see it addressed fully even by clergy.
I am yet to shake my skepticism regarding Christianity as I have not personally seen any evidence of a Christian god or Christ being the "only begotten son of god" which by the way what does that even mean? Are we not all supposedly children of god? As for Christ being "the son of man", what does that even mean?
I have very little in terms of answers, but I can tell you if there is good, then there is evil. The path of sin, done over a lifetime leads to destruction every time.
There’s nothing wrong with this, God gave us the ability to reason and use our minds.
I had to learn this the hard way as a naive college student, when I caught the sweet girl who told me she had only been with her boyfriend before brazenly lying to my face and going out to parties to fornicate with various guys. And yes, plenty of women are willing to be sodomized but will not give up their "virginity" which they fail to realize has effectively been lost already. Sodomy is a great sin, and anyone who is doing that in place of normal fornication is hurting him/herself even more. Experiencing all that, and reading numerous stories like yours, tends to destroy your trust in women over time.
All things being equal, all of us would prefer a virgin. But you have to weigh the factors carefully. As you say, a virgin can become prideful and think it somehow makes her better than other people, even if she's an actual virgin. I would prefer a repentant woman with faith, who perhaps had a few boyfriends, over a virgin who is going to be stuck up and cause me problems down the road.
Also as mentioned, a virgin may be a virgin only because she is untested. If you meet a virgin, Christian woman with good qualities in the middle of Jew York City (practically a unicorn), you can say she is trustworthy with a high degree of confidence. She has been tested in Sodom and Gomorrah, constantly having to resist a massive woke brainwashing campaign, unending fornication and countless nightclubs around her, fast food on every corner, the temptation of luxury goods and lifestyles, etc... Whereas if you take even an Orthodox virgin girl from a Siberian village, she has had exposure to none of that. No chances to fornicate, no McDonalds around, no leftists, and no riches. You don't know if her virginity is due to her faith alone, or her circumstances. So again, a virtuous non-virgin woman who has faced evil and is trying to redeem herself may be a better choice than an untested virgin.
What are you talking about? Why would your sex life with your potential young future wife matter to your potential children you have with her?
A few straw man arguments here.
When we speak of a virgin on this forum we are talking about a girl who has never done anything that cannot be shown in a of rated movie. So anal sex and oral sex mean she is not really a virgin.
Also as you pointed out yourself a virgin in a place like New York is going to be even rarer than it normally is so it’s unrealistic to look for a virgin in such a place because you want to find one that is “tested”. And even if you find a virgin in New York you will be competing with 1000 other guys to get to her and some of those guys might even be billionaires because it’s New York.
Finding a virgin is already hard let’s not make it harder by trying to find one in a big city because they are “tested”.
I literally said the same thing.
I am by no means suggesting you go to New York
or any large cesspool of a city to find a woman. Just don't glamorize or fetishize virginity, but look at the whole woman and all relevant circumstantial factors.
AEON
Oriental Orthodox
Because her entire ideology consists of concealing and lying to her future husband about past relationships and occasional instances of non-traditional sex for the sake of remaining complete virgin. Consequently, she will eventually teach our kids the same way of thinking, the same ideology and “values” of lying and manipulating others to achieve their objective. In other words, according to those types of girls lying and manipulating is justifiable even if it pertains your future husband and children.
I didn’t want to elaborate this much in my original post, it was already too long and somewhat impulsive.
Australia sucks, I'm right there with you , at this point I'm virgin or nothing. You are risking being alpha widowed with a non virgin, and she will never ever respect you as a man if that is the case. I will keep trying to find one, and there still are definite ways, but they will dry up over the coming decades. I go back to the church fathers and Seraphim Rose, telling us "It is later than you think, hasten therefore, to do the work of God." God has made it clear , marriage is a dispensation for our fallen nature and weakness, it's not the most ideal life pleasing to God, maybe its better to draw closer to God single if he wills it that way
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At this point most women are no longer virgin by age 18.
If you live in a country where the legal marriage is younger than 18 then you should consider looking at 16 year old women as the percentage of virgins is much higher and they have already passed puberty so they are not children.
In many countries in the world the age of sexual consent is 16 (and sometimes even lower) albeit usually with certain restrictions. And the age of marriage in many countries is 16 if parental consent and a magistrates approval are obtained.
If you live in a country where the legal marriage is younger than 18 then you should consider looking at 16 year old women as the percentage of virgins is much higher and they have already passed puberty so they are not children.
In many countries in the world the age of sexual consent is 16 (and sometimes even lower) albeit usually with certain restrictions. And the age of marriage in many countries is 16 if parental consent and a magistrates approval are obtained.