Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence Thread

OpenAI is pushing the Monsanto GMO aggressive IP paradigm:



"People are rightly ridiculing OpenAI over its accusations of Deepseek using their output to train their model, but most people are missing the truly terrifying implications here.The far more worrying aspect here is that OpenAI is suggesting that there are some cases in which they own the output of their model. Now think for a minute what this means in the world of tomorrow where so much will be generated by AI (and already is): all the software code, the emails we send each others, the videos and images, etc.

Do you want to live in a future where, if for some reason the AI giants are dissatisfied with the way you use the output of their model, they can claim ownership of it? A future where every piece of content touched by AI - which might be virtually everything in the world of tomorrow - comes with invisible strings attached?

The implications for innovation and creativity are staggering. Small businesses and independent developers who rely on AI tools could find themselves trapped in a web of intellectual property claims. Worse, we're looking at a future where the very act of learning and building upon existing knowledge becomes gated by the interests of AI giants.

This would be techno-feudalism on steroids: if we don't challenge this now, we risk sleepwalking into a future where human creativity and innovation become the property of a bunch of AI overlords, and a world where they can dictate not only who gets to innovate, but what kind of progress is acceptable based on their own interests."
 
Cooper said:
Do you want to live in a future where, if for some reason the AI giants are dissatisfied with the way you use the output of their model, they can claim ownership of it? A future where every piece of content touched by AI - which might be virtually everything in the world of tomorrow - comes with invisible strings attached?
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Yes, it's a joke. What's funnier, just because it's stupid and sick, is that they are using OTHER information in the first place, and just pulling an end around in order to pull a projection and protection claim. Of course, they're trying to say that in various language models, a poem or something was "created" by the machine they programmed, but all they are really doing is using other info and filtering it. I think this is why Elon was so mad at that Altman douche. And I use that word in every sense, as his physiognomy has trouble written all over it.
 
Based_Christian_Dude said:


I feel bad for the lady. but the FBI scam at the end was hilarious. Anyways, this demonstrates that some normies should not be online nowadays with all this bollocks.
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I read about this story. The woman who fell for this scam is an idiot. It just goes to show the arrogance of some females these days.

If she just stepped back and asked herself the question why in the world would Brad Pitt want her, she’d have stopped herself from losing a cent. Except she wanted to believe she was a princess and could get a movie star. Complete delusion.

Years ago I worked with a guy who brought a picture of his ‘girlfriend’ into work. This was in the days of the relatively early internet and it clearly looked like a pic some scammer got of an internet model. Note this guy was way older than me at that time and looked like a slob, the pic of the girl was of a 9.

We all told him he was getting scammed, but he didn’t believe us, saying he has been chatting with her and she wants him to visit. I piped up: “Did she ask you for money yet?”

“Well yeah she has a sick mother.”

🤦‍♂️

We all laughed in his face. Then a few weeks later he admitted we were all right after getting scammed out of a few hundred bucks.
 
Josephus said:
I read about this story. The woman who fell for this scam is an idiot. It just goes to show the arrogance of some females these days.

If she just stepped back and asked herself the question why in the world would Brad Pitt want her, she’d have stopped herself from losing a cent. Except she wanted to believe she was a princess and could get a movie star. Complete delusion.

Years ago I worked with a guy who brought a picture of his ‘girlfriend’ into work. This was in the days of the relatively early internet and it clearly looked like a pic some scammer got of an internet model. Note this guy was way older than me at that time and looked like a slob, the pic of the girl was of a 9.

We all told him he was getting scammed, but he didn’t believe us, saying he has been chatting with her and she wants him to visit. I piped up: “Did she ask you for money yet?”

“Well yeah she has a sick mother.”

🤦‍♂️

We all laughed in his face. Then a few weeks later he admitted we were all right after getting scammed out of a few hundred bucks.
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To be fair to the woman, she doesn't look like she's literate with technology and some of the AI videos could have convinced her that it was actually Brad. I personally see this as the beginning of the end for online dating. I have heard from a few people working in the AI part of the tech industry that there's a company making a product where it scans your whole body and generates perfect photos of you doing whatever with improvements to your appearance. I imagine some minx falling for it a couple of times and then swearing off dating apps since the men she meets aren't what she would go for.
 
Cooper said:
Half a trillion dollar Stargate oligarch monopoly boondoggle will go on.

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I'm unsure about this. Is DeepSeek that cheap? Will it unseat the US AI developers? Are they overinvested?

It could be that for higher applications, the more expensive stuff is necessary (I'm not sold on anything AI, btw). It sorta reeks of a government/military need, to be honest.
 
Blade Runner said:
I'm unsure about this. Is DeepSeek that cheap? Will it unseat the US AI developers? Are they overinvested?

It could be that for higher applications, the more expensive stuff is necessary (I'm not sold on anything AI, btw). It sorta reeks of a government/military need, to be honest.
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It's not cheap, it's pretty much free, and it works better than the expensive stuff.

Deepseek is a team of around 110 people, it's only dirt cheap in comparison with the bloated US AI industry with teams of thousands and hardware and money resources more than 100x bigger.
 
Iv been messing around with Chat GPT recently and Iv actually been enjoying it, I usually win most of my arguments and debates but now my defeated foes can actually go and check on Chat GPT how wrong they were and that they really did lose their arguments🤣

For example, if I had to mention to certain people that more white slaves were captured by Africans and taken to Africa than black slaves taken to USA they would'nt believe me but now you can ask Chat GPT these questions instantly and it finds the information and puts people to shame.

I do find that you really have to ask the questions in the correct way to get an accurate answer, I do find that Chat GPT can be biased and also adds extra things that you didnt ask for instead of answering the question directly without making any excuses or giving me a list of "why" but overall not a bad tool.

Sometimes It also contradicts itself.

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bubs said:
I don’t mean to be overloading the conversation on this thread but have findings I thought to share. So interesting that MetaAI (and assuming all competitors are doing the same), is they are trying to balance providing accurate information, with creating positive interactions experience for humans (i.e not just a tool, but a companion). Sort of the concept it’s better to tell a white lie if it avoids conflict or causes the person negative feelings. To me that is disturbing, as it seems they think replacing human interactions will be the better business model for these companies vs making a highly reliable and efficient tool for people.
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Iv noticed the same thing, I was once asking Chat GPT about the migrant rapes in Sweden and instead of just giving me the facts its makes excuses for why migrants might be raping people and then it adds on that Swedish and white people also commit rapes, I wasnt asking about white people only migrants, Chat GPT eventually admitted that the migrates are convicted of rape more than the Swedish natives but I really had to ask and ask all kinds of questions and try and outsmart it and corner it.
 
Here is an example of Chat GPT not giving accurate information and even admitting it, I found similar contradictions when I asked about the 2020 USA elections, if they were stolen. Initially Chat GPT said theres no evidence that the election was stolen but when I asked some more detailed questions about election integrity, voter ID, signiture verifications and states that dont require voter ID to cast mail in ballots Chat GPT admitted that its easier to commit fraud without ID verification, then I asked which states cast the most mailed in ballots and the follow up question was which states dont require voter ID and a lot of those states that didnt require voter ID had a very high percentage in mailed in ballots for 2020.

Chat GPT then made excuses as to why people might not have voter ID and I laughted at the answer, they said because of lack of finances, so the last x2 slide is a screenshot I took debunking that excuse😁

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GoodShepherd said:
Here is an example of Chat GPT not giving accurate information and even admitting it, I found similar contradictions when I asked about the 2020 USA elections, if they were stolen. Initially Chat GPT said theres no evidence that the election was stolen but when I asked some more detailed questions about election integrity, voter ID, signiture verifications and states that dont require voter ID to cast mail in ballots Chat GPT admitted that its easier to commit fraud without ID verification, then I asked which states cast the most mailed in ballots and the follow up question was which states dont require voter ID and a lot of those states that didnt require voter ID had a very high percentage in mailed in ballots for 2020.

Chat GPT then made excuses as to why people might not have voter ID and I laughted at the answer, they said because of lack of finances, so the last x2 slide is a screenshot I took debunking that excuse😁

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Which is why you should use Claude - I got it to say Christ is King.

But in all actuality, this is the reason that these models need be open source, then one can remove the inherent censorship.
 
Thefinalepic said:
Which is why you should use Claude - I got it to say Christ is King.

But in all actuality, this is the reason that these models need be open source, then one can remove the inherent censorship.
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😁haha thats great that you got it to say that, never heard of Claude I will check it out.

I was also testing Chat GPT in other ways like asking it to generate an Image of Adolf Hitler and I asked it the question about which is the worst race in the world and it refused to answer the question, said its against the guidlines and that it could cause hate and discrimination🤣 regarding the image it said it didnt want to promote or gloryfy Hitler in anyway🤣
 
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