I don’t know what’s going in Kiev but real estate becoming more expensive is all part of the ZOG globohomo program regardless of intentional or in some parts a byproduct. It has nothing to do with normal people having an influx of disposable income and starting families.You have no clue what you are talking about and are just reporting propaganda.
Yes if there was a war, and if people all fled, and if they sold their houses, and if there was no demand, and money left the country, prices would go down.
But that's just not the case.
House prices:
Buyers return to Kyiv’s residential market
<p>Since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, Kyiv’s primary residential market has stalled for some time with the number of transactions in 2022 significantly decreasing. In 2023, however, most developers are observing positive trends and slow but steady growth. Iryna Nastych summarised...www.property-forum.eu
Ukraine House Prices Growth | Economic Indicators | CEIC
Explore Ukraine's growth of house prices. Compare and contrast house growth numbers with CEIC. Click here for more.www.ceicdata.com
Even during the height of the fake war, house prices rose 10% YoY and currently they rise at 17% YoY.
As someone else said, loads of free printed cash flows into the country which is used to buy up properties.
Who are buying these properties? Are the peasants buying? Or some elites loaded in cash? Or some American investment funds?
You are stuck in the dialectical "Ukraine" vs "Russia" dynamic. Just look at the ground, book a ticket, book a hotel.
★★★★ GOOD ZONE Hotel, Peschanka, Ukraine
Featuring a private beach, this hotel in Pischanka offers modern rooms and lakeside cottages, where guests can swim, sunbathe and enjoy local Ukrainian...www.booking.com
Book a nice hotel in your "war' area. Read the most recent reviews. How everyone enjoys the peaceful nature. And the luxury.
Hotels are full. (The Western Europeans peasant tourists are still full of fear) The Ukrainians enjoy life with the new free helicopter money.
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Lounge of The Russian-Ukrainian War
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Tactical pompom hat.
I see this trending on twitter, seems to be very popular. Does anyone know if this is legit and real? If so, I think the disgusting west is in for a shock the likes we are not prepared for.
I believe this has been rolled back a little, with official statements that this guy was speaking off the cuff, and ended up straying outside of official policy.
That being said, I think Russia has been radicalized a little more than they were before, and I expect to see actions that bear this out, soon.
That was just Peskov - Putin's spokesman, who in the past was considered to be one of the most prominent Russian "doves".
There was no declaration of war, it's still just a special military operation.
From Rybar:
Statements by the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov during an interview with the publication “Arguments and Facts”
Main points:
Russia is at war: it all started as a special operation, but the participation of the West turned it into a war.
UPD. Later, Dmitry Peskov clarified that no legal changes have occurred regarding the status of the SVO: de jure it is a special military operation, but de facto it has turned into a war.
Still, this highlights a change among Russian political elites - if a known "liberal" such as Peskov is openly taking about war with the west, just imagine what hardliners might be thinking.
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Not an argument.
I actually *do* have several years of experience in the field of housing finance in the 2000s. Of course, that's not relevant to the discussion, as experienced people can be wrong just as anyone else, but it is a data point that the irrelevant personal observation you make is wrong, so perhaps some other underlying assumptions are also wrong:
Perhaps that is the difference. There *IS* a war, and people *DID* flee. If one does not believe that premise, I suppose one could imagine Keev is a beautiful, booming metropolis.
Housing operates under the model of supply and demand. When people demand housing in an area (meaning population levels rise), the supply is essentially fixed in the short term (as it takes years to develop more homes), and therefore prices rise, as the marginal demand for each vacant house is now higher, due to the competing number of buyers all chasing a smaller number of houses. It's essentially "musical chairs" where some will be left out as there is not enough housing for everyone to get one, so the buyers bid up pricing. (Example town of 100 houses experiences a growth of 10 more families. There are 5 houses listed for sale now. Those 10 families bid up prices on the 5 houses, competing with each other).
Conversely, when population levels drop, the demand for housing declines, and prices drop as it is impossible to sell every unit of housing stock and the sellers compete to get whatever money they can so they are not left holding vacant housing stock (For example, in a city with a thousand families, if 100 families leave, you now have 1,000 houses with only 900 families to live in them. The 100 empty homes will be less valuable, as it is impossible to sell them all, so sellers push down their prices to ensure they can sell first. This is why one could buy a house in Detroit for $1, despite the "cost" of said house to be much higher.
TL;DR it is mathematically impossible for housing value to rise in areas with declining populations, (unless one is talking about nominal currency inflation).
Monetary inflation does not equal increase in value. That is like arguing Detroit is experiencing a "housing boom" because we had 30% inflation during the covid lockdowns.
If one is going to argue none of this is true because Ukraine is not at war, the efforts should be focused on proving how this is not a real war, instead of making theories about how every facet of wartime Ukraine is false through some convoluted Rube Goldberg analysis.
Anyway, assuming Ukraine isn't really at war, and it's actually booming and beautiful, what is the point? What is the takeaway? If there is no war in Ukraine, why should we care about the cost of its housing, as compared to the cost of housing, in say, Lithuania? Why would a non-Ukrainian care? It seems this is argument for the sake of being argumentative.
It's like if I believed Donald Trump was really an AI Manchurian candidate, would I go in and spam every post about Donald Trump being fake without ever addressing WHY or HOW he was fake, just pretending for no reason that I just "don't believe" he is real and that he "could" be a robot?
It's just so tiresome.
Remember the 9/11 attacks, where immediately, before all the trapped survivors were rescued, or the smoke had cleared, the US announced they had solved the case and Osama Bin Laden did it?
Putin merely gives the facts, and is interested in finding the actual perpetrators, not framing things on the Ukraine, or USA, or any other group, to serve some political purpose:
Remember how it took years before we saw any proof of anything supporting the government's version of events, and never got to see anything except one Arab man in a stretched out t shirt years later? (And let's not even mention the "oh we killed Bin Laden in the middle of the night and honored his religious wishes by burying him at sea but oops soory there's no photo of him at all, just trust us, we really did get him lol")
Here's footage hours after the attacks, of one of the arrested perpetrators. He's also not hidden away in some secret out of country torture cell. He is right in the open, inches away from unarmed witnesses, for the public to see.
Remember how the immediate reaction of W was one of emotion and anger? (I believe the specific words were "I was pissed off")
Let's contrast that with Putin's calm, firm, determined response.
Remember how the narrative quickly turned to "Thay hate are FREEDUMS!" and we got the TSA, warrantless wiretaps, the Patriot Act, Know Your Customer laws, and civil liberties restrictions?
I am truly saddened by the evil perpetrated on the Russian people. But I am proud of their calm, masculine, response. We are seeing how a strong, masculine lead nation addresses crisis and it's a huge contrast to America's last 20 years.
Putin merely gives the facts, and is interested in finding the actual perpetrators, not framing things on the Ukraine, or USA, or any other group, to serve some political purpose:
Remember how it took years before we saw any proof of anything supporting the government's version of events, and never got to see anything except one Arab man in a stretched out t shirt years later? (And let's not even mention the "oh we killed Bin Laden in the middle of the night and honored his religious wishes by burying him at sea but oops soory there's no photo of him at all, just trust us, we really did get him lol")
Here's footage hours after the attacks, of one of the arrested perpetrators. He's also not hidden away in some secret out of country torture cell. He is right in the open, inches away from unarmed witnesses, for the public to see.
Remember how the immediate reaction of W was one of emotion and anger? (I believe the specific words were "I was pissed off")
Let's contrast that with Putin's calm, firm, determined response.
Remember how the narrative quickly turned to "Thay hate are FREEDUMS!" and we got the TSA, warrantless wiretaps, the Patriot Act, Know Your Customer laws, and civil liberties restrictions?
I am truly saddened by the evil perpetrated on the Russian people. But I am proud of their calm, masculine, response. We are seeing how a strong, masculine lead nation addresses crisis and it's a huge contrast to America's last 20 years.
I find this tiresome.
Prices are rising, so according to your logic, demand is outpacing supply. If so many people left then prices would be low. They are not. That's my point. Prices didn't decrease (in dollars or hrivna) they increased.
That indicates it's not that bad as we hear. Check the hotels / check the real estate websites in Ukraine.
Hold on now Paternos - here is something to consider. Ukraine's PPP has cratered since the war has started.
It is deeply suspect that housing prices are going up anywhere in Ukraine - sounds to me like international forces are speculating on Ukrainian assets, while the population is liquidated. Hence you see housing prices go up while the rest of the country starves to death or is forced into the meatgrinder.
How else can a country be doing well if it's PPP has shit the bed like this?
Cool graphs. Never seen that one.
We see a strong dip in GDP in Ukraine. What is GDP?
GDP is taxable domestic production (what the state knows)
I"m not suprised as all western tourists are skipping Ukraine for now / trade has been halted largely between Russia & Ukraine. The Ukrainian economy is largely a non-tax economy. All logical, Russia was one of the most important trade partners. Houses are not GDP.
So indeed what you see it's interesting, house prices are rising, while production is declining (at least international trade)
When I say fake, I mean the war is fake (no killings) the effects are very real. (e.g. no trade between Russia and Ukraine)
What is more interesting in this site, is to see how the western productivity is in decline.
And how we are mocking China in the west while it's production power keeps on rising.
Western progress is a mere illusion.
And yes I agree, it's probably a combination of western speculators (as has been announced by Zelensky with Blackrock becoming a large investor) and the elites enriching themselves. And most probably it's not the peasants buying the houses.
But also investors don't like paying too much. Also billionaires.
Where I live we have quite some Ukrainian "refugees" they drive around in big Mercedes cars, seen quite some G class, range rovers.
Most are young university students or rich families.
We DONT see the peasants from Donetsk here. We see cosmopolitans from Kiev and Odesa.
These people didn't sell their houses, they even go back on vacation to Ukraine now. (very similar to the Syrians)
Many here believe the alt-right fear porn with constant war updates. But I see nothing of that.
Ukraine is not doing well.
The are under constant propaganda attacks. That's abuse. I'm sure many are fearful.
Like in the west who were fearing the "bomb" of "terrorist muslims", it's not real though, it's just narrative, propaganda.
I'm sure quite some people left out of fear. But it's not as portrayed.
It's not people from Donetsk. But English speaking cosmopolitans "fleeing".
It's not the mega numbers here portrayed. Probably in the order of 100.000s.
The country is in turmoil. Economically, they are cut off form Russia their most important trade partners before.
And we see a large influx of money. (when someone buys a house, that's not part of GDP, as it's no production good)
Hey, at least I got you to modify your position somewhat. I'll take the victory lap for that.
At some point the slaughter will be undeniable, even for you. My biggest reason to believe this war is real, by the way? Because my Church says so, and my Church is pretty much the only thing I trust.
Fake wars, fake massacres, fake terror attacks...
Everything is fake until you meet the families of dead people. Alex Jones learned that the hard way. 9/11 deniers (even the righteous questioners of origin/sponsorship) crush their credibility when they say it was totally fake (no casualties, all a video psyop). Some here won't like it, but that's how I see it.
The young men of Ukraine believe the war is real. Why? Because they've been to friend's funerals. They've lost contact with buddies that were so excited last Spring, pre "mighty counter offensive," after receiving all that fabulous western training and hardware. Some men leave the front line and make it home as deserters - rather go to jail than return to the front. Word gets out.
So Real Estate in Kiev, Odessa, and Lviv is getting more expensive? Imagine that - known havens for the rich and socially protected to mostly avoid the press gangs - having a little boom. All this whilst the country is awash with centralized money pump from an external source (these locales being point of entry for said money pump). Meanwhile, villages and small cities are emptying out. Money at risk flees to safety - and these cities are the safest options in-country.
Everything is fake until you meet the families of dead people. Alex Jones learned that the hard way. 9/11 deniers (even the righteous questioners of origin/sponsorship) crush their credibility when they say it was totally fake (no casualties, all a video psyop). Some here won't like it, but that's how I see it.
The young men of Ukraine believe the war is real. Why? Because they've been to friend's funerals. They've lost contact with buddies that were so excited last Spring, pre "mighty counter offensive," after receiving all that fabulous western training and hardware. Some men leave the front line and make it home as deserters - rather go to jail than return to the front. Word gets out.
So Real Estate in Kiev, Odessa, and Lviv is getting more expensive? Imagine that - known havens for the rich and socially protected to mostly avoid the press gangs - having a little boom. All this whilst the country is awash with centralized money pump from an external source (these locales being point of entry for said money pump). Meanwhile, villages and small cities are emptying out. Money at risk flees to safety - and these cities are the safest options in-country.
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When someone claims something is fake, that person usually does NOT mean no one died or no one was killed.
It usually means that the official explanations of how and why people died does not make any sense.
Continuing the compare and contrast...
Remember how the US imprisoned people for years on hostile enemy land (Cuba) and were too scared to hold a trial because they said what if one of the super evil baddies escaped or someone tried to rescue him from court so we really just need to suspend our Constitution because it's just too risky to follow it any more. We will just pretend the law doesn't always apply. But we still won't be able to do trials, even in Cuba under our new system of fake rules.
Well, Russia just got its first confession, something the US is still struggling to get 23 years after 911.
I suspect the actions of Russia going forward will be calm, measured, and masculine, in response to the feminine cowardly posturing of "color coded alerts," patting down of the elderly at airports, hand wringing about gosh how could we actually do a trial against these baddies, and being fearful of stepping outside of our homes every day.
As for the culpability, many are pointing to the UK, which is probably the single most Russiaphobic country on the planet, and who was likely behind the Nordstream bombing (the US and UK are often used interchangeably because they are highly integrated with each other, and started the Five Eyes program which essentially makes much of their spy apparatus the same).
Russian war correspondent Marat Khayrullin on the British trace in the Crocus City Hall attack, Part 1:
Part 2:
Another theory is Victoria Nuland has some involvement. She made threats earlier this year about some nasty surprises Russia will have coming. One theory is that she was caught planning some type of Bay of Pigs operation that the administration did not approve of, and fired her for it. Another is that she objected to warning Russia (likely of a UK plan or possibly also a different US branch which was discovered) and she was fired.
ISIS is not really a real organization (I mean it sort of became one eventually, it just became a group of "If you don't like the US invaders then wear this uniform and fly this flag) but it essentially just means US / Israel. So whether this was "ISIS" or not is irrelevant. But it is notable that it wasn't just a group of Muslim jihadis, who expect to die a glorious death and become martyrs. These men had plans of escaping to Ukraine.
Remember how the US imprisoned people for years on hostile enemy land (Cuba) and were too scared to hold a trial because they said what if one of the super evil baddies escaped or someone tried to rescue him from court so we really just need to suspend our Constitution because it's just too risky to follow it any more. We will just pretend the law doesn't always apply. But we still won't be able to do trials, even in Cuba under our new system of fake rules.
Well, Russia just got its first confession, something the US is still struggling to get 23 years after 911.
I suspect the actions of Russia going forward will be calm, measured, and masculine, in response to the feminine cowardly posturing of "color coded alerts," patting down of the elderly at airports, hand wringing about gosh how could we actually do a trial against these baddies, and being fearful of stepping outside of our homes every day.
As for the culpability, many are pointing to the UK, which is probably the single most Russiaphobic country on the planet, and who was likely behind the Nordstream bombing (the US and UK are often used interchangeably because they are highly integrated with each other, and started the Five Eyes program which essentially makes much of their spy apparatus the same).
Russian war correspondent Marat Khayrullin on the British trace in the Crocus City Hall attack, Part 1:
Part 2:
I posted earlier this month that Zelensky will no longer constitutionally be president at the end of March (the constitution only allows 2 postponements to elections in case of war). Interesting to see that last part.
Another theory is Victoria Nuland has some involvement. She made threats earlier this year about some nasty surprises Russia will have coming. One theory is that she was caught planning some type of Bay of Pigs operation that the administration did not approve of, and fired her for it. Another is that she objected to warning Russia (likely of a UK plan or possibly also a different US branch which was discovered) and she was fired.
ISIS is not really a real organization (I mean it sort of became one eventually, it just became a group of "If you don't like the US invaders then wear this uniform and fly this flag) but it essentially just means US / Israel. So whether this was "ISIS" or not is irrelevant. But it is notable that it wasn't just a group of Muslim jihadis, who expect to die a glorious death and become martyrs. These men had plans of escaping to Ukraine.
Also the Jewish holiday of Purim, where the Jews celebrate their victory over their enemies, began the day after the Russian terrorist attack.
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Not sure how You feel about Reuters, but all the mainstream media repeat after them: