Lounge of The Russian-Ukrainian War

Droughtmeat said:
And, by the way, I'm blown away by North Korea having 5% of its population in the military. It's not just the nuclear threat, but the sheer size of that army.

They could legitimately colonize most of western Europe, if these were head to head match ups with no US involvement.
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My favorite take on North Korea is by Joseph Jordan (alias Eric Striker), which are two bold points...

#1) The media lies to us about everything. Why should we believe everything the media says about life in North Korea. I'm not saying it is great, but do we believe the lying media that it is as bad as they depict?

#2) No matter what life is like in North Korea, there is one certain fact. That unless South Korea has a revolution and divorces from the west, in 100 years South Korea will look more like California and it is possible their official language will be English. Whereas North Korea will be real Korea, with Korean language, and Korean culture and tradition.

I think North Korea is much more powerful than we want to let on and that is why we pretty much leave them alone. Not to mention the Chinese backing they would have in a conflict with the west.

I am sure Russia/Putin/BRICS are all very aware of these facts.
 
Ember said:
North Korea, Russia, and Lukashenko have said there are no NK troops in Russia. No one else at the Kazan summit has mentioned NK troops. It's all a fantasy narrative from Zelensky, so he can push for Western boots in Ukraine.
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It's like we exchanged our positions from just a few days ago. And while part of me still thinks it's just a master-level troling from the Russians, there is some evidence suggesting North Korean military presence in Russia - not necessarily connected to the war in ukraine, they could just be training on new systems they're about to receive for themselves.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
My favorite take on North Korea is by Joseph Jordan (alias Eric Striker), which are two bold points...

#1) The media lies to us about everything. Why should we believe everything the media says about life in North Korea. I'm not saying it is great, but do we believe the lying media that it is as bad as they depict?

#2) No matter what life is like in North Korea, there is one certain fact. That unless South Korea has a revolution and divorces from the west, in 100 years South Korea will look more like California and it is possible their official language will be English. Whereas North Korea will be real Korea, with Korean language, and Korean culture and tradition.

I think North Korea is much more powerful than we want to let on and that is why we pretty much leave them alone. Not to mention the Chinese backing they would have in a conflict with the west.

I am sure Russia/Putin/BRICS are all very aware of these facts.
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I think NK's economy is much weaker than most capitalist countries. That picture of the country at night is a real give away. The consistent stories from refugees are another. So, on one level, NK is weak in comparison to SK.

On the other hand, NK does have a modernized industrial and technological infrastructure, with the universities, engineers, machinists, etc. that are needed to sustain that capability. In this sense, they are at least a mid-level country in terms of development. They may be poor, but they're not poor like some country in Africa. They have a good average IQ, and a good tech base.

I think sanctions have hurt NK, and their own self imposed isolation has hurt them as well. However, I think now they are having success in connecting with the BRICS countries, and the counter-US sphere in general. I expect to see new trade deals and business opportunities for NK in the coming years. Finally, NK has a better birth rate than SK, and better than most developed countries, at 1.8. It's still below replacement, but a lot better than most.

Taking these strengths into account, I think NK is stronger than many people think, and I think their prospects are better than people realize. Finally, I agree that they have been successful in holding on to their traditional beliefs and life styles, and this will be extremely beneficial to them in the long run.
 
TruckDriver9 said:
And while part of me still thinks it's just a master-level troling from the Russians, there is some evidence suggesting North Korean military presence in Russia - not necessarily connected to the war in ukraine, they could just be training on new systems they're about to receive for themselves.
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It looks like Putin may have just admitted they are there, in a round-about way. Unless he is talking about projection from Western accusers.
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Thomas More said:
I think NK is stronger than many people think, and I think their prospects are better than people realize.
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Agreed. There was a time when I often daydreamed about defecting to NK and moving way out into their countryside (it's beautiful and untouched).
Thomas More said:
...they have been successful in holding on to their traditional beliefs and life styles...
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And this is the reason why.

I've always been fascinated with time travel and I figured that living in rural NK was the closet thing I would ever find in this lifetime to going back in time.
 
Droughtmeat said:
And, by the way, I'm blown away by North Korea having 5% of its population in the military. It's not just the nuclear threat, but the sheer size of that army.

They could legitimately colonize most of western Europe, if these were head to head match ups with no US involvem
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Their soldiers look serious, too. Compare this with any western platoon. Their equipment might be lacking but they come across as tough and disciplined.
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The South Donbass front is collapsing at a fast rate.

Once the Russians capture Kurakhove, they will be able to attack Pokrovsk from three sides as there is nothing but tiny hamlets and open fields from Kurakhove to Pokrovsk, and there is nothing to the West of Pokrovsk for tens of kilometres.

They will also be able to simultaneously flank and attack the entire Ukrainian defense line in Zaporozhe from the rear.
 
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Labienus said:
The South Donbass front is collapsing at a fast rate.

Once the Russians capture Kurakhove, they will be able to attack Pokrovsk from three sides as there is nothing but tiny hamlets and open fields from Kurakhove to Pokrovsk and there is nothing to the West of Pokrovsk for tens of kilometres.

They will also be able to simultaneously flank and attack the entire Ukrainian defense line in Zaporozhe from the rear.
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Kurakhovo is being enveloped rapidly. Moreover, the Russian capture of Selidovo only took three days of urban combat. Perhaps most importantly for the Russian people, after the fall of Kurakhovo, there will be no point remaining under Ukrainian control from which the Donetsk urban area will be within artillery range. Civilian deaths in Donetsk are already sharply down since the Ukrainians have been pushed back from Avdiivka, Krasnogorovka, etc., but the fall of Kurakhovo will be the final completion of that campaign, in addition to heralding the end of the war on the South Donbass front. Technically the fall of Kurakhovo itself doesn't mean that the South Donbass front is over yet, but beyond it there are no cities of any size or significant fortifications until the Donbass border with the Ukrainian interior in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. And at the rate of advance we have been seeing recently, the Russians will slice through those small villages with no difficulty at all. For the first time since the first month of the war, the war of attrition is now transitioning back to a war of maneuver, at least in the southern sector. The Ukrainian central and northern sectors are still mostly holding, but if they lose the entire southern flank, a cascade failure of their defenses will eventually be inevitable. In any case, the more territory they lose, the more likely a cascade failure becomes.
 
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