Jay Dyer Thread
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After reading this whole last page, I take that back.
I'm not arguing against Hebrews, but your interpretation of Hebrews. Again and again I've seen you play this rhetorical card, but I don't grant your premise that the Calvinist interpretation is equivalent to "go[ing] with Scripture." I reject the Calvinist interpretation because it's an anachronistic reading by lawyers and academics arising in early modern post-Renaissance humanist Western European culture buttressed atop the printing press, and that's why there's nothing like it before that.
No, it isn't. Do you have any idea how much stuff is involved in celebrating Passover? Receiving the Sacraments is receiving a gift. It's not Doing Stuff To Impress God like the Pharisees following their Talmudic rules like tithing garden herbs. And if you think it is, then again, you need to actually learn something about Orthodoxy before opining on it based on learning from secondhand sources.
No disagreement there, not sure what point you're trying to make. Well, I agree as long as we define faith correctly: the totality of our mental assent, heart posture, and behavior. To divorce rational assent from the rest of that is simply the faith of demons. True faith is the totality, and can't be separated from how we actually behave, which is just Gnosticism, and no amount of intellectual gerrymandering our actions and behavior into the particular semantic range of what St. Paul means by "Works" in his epistles changes that fundamental fact.
Ever consider that maybe you're the one who misunderstands it?
Rhetorical evasion.
Excuse me? I didn't say we should build our theology on real world experience, but that the Orthodox perspective seemed in line with what I observed. Huge difference. I suggest reading a little more carefully.
If you can't be bothered to actually read what I wrote, I'm not going to bother to respond beyond saying that this is a non-sequitur that completely misses the point.
@Hermetic Seal We have since moved on to seething comments about Jay's personal life. There is no theological debate to be had, it's an emotional preoccupation.
I'm about to listen to the Tim podcast thing and I see Jay and I'm actually worried for his health. What happened? He looks like he just went on a bender and gained 25 pounds ... I hope that's just a random travel occurrence or something.
And not wearing sunscreen. Too much sun exposure prematurely aging his face.
Wow, the most interesting part of this show is at the end: Tim says he spent 100k to get Ye on his show, and then Ye walked out costing the show huge!! LOL
Sam you're conflating threads!
He should just use some olive oil on his skin and not eat travel food (ie 'fast foods') which is easy to fall in the trap for while on the road.Jay Dyer is so hit and miss lately, there's no way I'm watching that Tim Drool thing in full even though Jay still does good stuff on his YouTube channel but then there's a lot of AJ stuff he does as well?
Maybe the money side of things got the better of him, sad.
Bisexual KGB Occultist confirmed
And what are you trying to say by this?
I was making a joke about schizo conspiracy theories people like to entertain about Jay.
Like, some tradcats would always refer to him as a KGB agent who studied occultism and espionage. There's some weird little documentary somewhere on youtube, but it's too annoying for me to look up right now.
I am aware that Vaporwave doesn't make people bisexual.
In all seriousness though, Jay has lost his marbles about Bitcoin. It's actually something I first observed in him 5 years ago back in the Dyercord days, but it's funny how aggressive and defensive he is about it.
I've actually once seen him humiliate some mentally disabled guy fairly aggressively over a disagreement on crypto.
His behavior is very much akin to what he criticizes in RCs and Prots otherwise.
I've actually once seen him humiliate some mentally disabled guy fairly aggressively over a disagreement on crypto.
His behavior is very much akin to what he criticizes in RCs and Prots otherwise.
It seems borderline impossible to be such a public personality as him and not grow an ego. That and his fixation on debates where it's about "winning" rather than necessarily truth. Not to say that I don't think he cares about the truth, but debating as a sport and all the tricks it entails is a weird thing that is not exactly compatible with Christianity.
I've always been defending him in that regard. He knows his stuff, and he's proven to be a good contributor in formal debates. I'll still shill for him being debated on more philosophical and theological topics, and I don't like that people like Matt Fradd are excluding him.
But his obsession with BTC is a weird one. I have no idea where it comes from. It's not like he's shilling shitcoins, so I don't suspect him to be a crypto-grifter, at least not a bad one. But he has some sort of weird fixation on the idea that BTC will be the new fixed standard and fix the Federal reserve issue. It's stupid and indicative of a lack of familiarity with the problem complex.
Just today I saw him post that "the problem is not government spending, but money printing" which is basically a nonsensical statement, and then he lost his shit when people contradicted.
Must be some libertarian thing.
It's the only thing where he evidently lacks knowledge but insists on promoting a certain view.
Sounds familiar. Is he a member here?
I know it's common among libertarians and American Jeffersonians, but it's a strange thing to double down on for a person that otherwise questions everything. Actually not even that, but refusing to even have a discussion about that is what I find dubious.
If we can agree on a Christian worldview, then everything else in politics is just a matter of "how are these values manifested best politically?", which is clearly an inductive process that happens over time, and has to be debated somewhat openly.
I used to buy into fixed standard crap, until I was introduced to pre-WWII economic thought and history. I never felt married to those theories.
A Christian shouldn't feel absolutely tied to any ideology, no matter whether it's Austrian Economics or Classical Liberalism, or Fascism, or whatever.
The BTC craze is insane because as a currency, it doesn't even solve issues of government overreach. I'm not an expert on crypto, but I think Monero would be closer to that standard. It's just become a hip means of speculation, and I think there's a solid case to be made for Christians maintaining a healthy distance from all things financial speculation to begin with.
It makes sense to at least have crypto, including BTC in your portfolio and everything, it's whatever. Dollar and Euro are devaluing, so you try to store value, and BTC seems to have gone well for some people.
But insisting upon anyone of those means of value storage is bizarre, especially if you choose to die on the BTC-hill. No honest person can say that they fully understand the dynamics of the BTC exchange rate.
Whatever, I don't know his reasons for it. Maybe he got attacked for it early on and then became defensive about it. But then I don't get why you would not be interested in reading about economics and verify it before you burn bridges over it. If it's important enough for you to get emotional, then it should be important enough for you to question it to some degree.
That's my assumption too. It's strange but I hope it's just a few and far between fault of Jay. I mean he has to be wrong about something, he's not infallible and all-knowing.