Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

Think of the Russian campaign in Ukraine, 4 years into this and after several thousand strikes, they still don't send their jets beyond the frontlines.

The Iranians are hiding their AA gear underground, they can ambush any jets flying too close, especially if they have real time satellite intel of incoming raids. It's a bit like the Ukrainians, all it takes is one S-300 inside a barn to bring down a Russian jet.
Ukraine also actually has a functioning air force unlike Iran so I think that would also factor into why Russians don't penetrate as far and why haven't enjoyed the sort of air supremacy over Ukraine that the US and Israel has had over Iran.
 
Collapse? No one said anything about collapse. It is the first blow to the invincibility of the F-35 platform. I saw a lot of people talking about the last thing the USA needs is the F-35 to look beatable. The number of countries buying this platform could shrink. This is the first blow to its reputation. Will more be taken out or is this a lucky shot. Time remains to be seen.

But as long as China is using 140 IQ engineers, and Russia does the same, and the USA imports third world engineers, we will continue to fall behind and soon our allies will eventually look elsewhere to buy equipment. Import the third world, become the third world. And now all those satanic bastards who told me the third worlder's are more American than my family, who literally helped to build this country, get to go to war with their new pets.

Chinese aircraft are one story - one of modest improvements on facsimilies bleeding edge concepts pioneered by American defense primes thirty years ago - but Russia? How many combat-coded 4.75-generation SU-57s are in service? Answer: too few for Russian Aerospace Forces to be scared about losing the two handfuls they've managed to scrape together to do anything but lob glide bombs and R-77s from BVR.

And how's that Sukhoi Checkmate doing?
 
Are you going to address the arguments he made that the airplane being hit isn't a sign of the collapse of US military engineering which you were claiming it was or are you just going to do the IIMT LLM loop thing where you spit out a default pre written reply (IQ, third world immigration, Trump, voting etc etc) that has nothing to do with the debate at hand in order to drive every debate to the same topic, which is what you are doing right now?

IIMT's description of technological and industrial decline does apply to companies like Boeing and their technical troubles due to outsourcing and the company no longer being run by American engineers.

It's not inconceivable that the military arm faces similar issues, see the software problems in the F-35 program.

Chinese aircraft are one story - one of modest improvements on facsimilies bleeding edge concepts pioneered by American defense primes thirty years ago - but Russia? How many combat-coded 4.75-generation SU-57s are in service? Answer: too few for Russian Aerospace Forces to be scared about losing the two handfuls they've managed to scrape together to do anything but lob glide bombs and R-77s from BVR.

And how's that Sukhoi Checkmate doing?

The Su57 has been in service in Russia, scored several air to air victories, around 35-40 planes produced with about as many on order. Part of the reason its production rate is relatively low is that certain elements are still in development, and the Su-35 which is cheaper and completely proven does a good job for them.

Almost all air to air victories the last several decades have been BVR, but if it came to dogfighting, the Su57 is the most maneuverable fighter jet of all time. For a fighter program with roughly 3%-4% of the F-35 total program cost, it is a superb specimen of Russian engineering.

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As to the F-35 on the Iran front, the Russians have had many years to study its signature and specs from their S-300 stations in Syria, perhaps the incident over Iran is a result of that.
 


That little "wardrobe malfunction" appeared around the 25 minute mark of his televised statement.

Enough of this gay eye shit. Unless he shows up outdoors, among random public and with unaccredited cameras up his nose he's stone, cold, DEAD!

This also proves that no secret, alien tech, 10x more advanced gay eye exists because if it did they would be the first to use it.
 
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Split. With shia majority.



Shia militias running around and launching drones at American facilities. Trying not to get droned themselves.
There are different schools of thought in Twelver Shia Islam, the theological interpretation leading in Iran (Khomeinism/ Vilayat Al Fiqh) is by no means dominant in the traditionally Arab Shia centers of learning. The Qom- Najaf religious center of power competition dynamic continues to this day and many Shias worldwide do not consider the Supreme Guardianship (Vilayat Al Fiqh) concept in line with traditional Shia teachings.

Tehran has been actively trying to spread Shia Islam and its Khomeinist doctrine as a means of projecting power abroad - a policy with limited results. In the latter it was obstructed mostly by Iraqi Shia schools of thought that do not accept that a Supreme Guardian should ensure divine rule until the return of the Mahdi, these Najaf and Karbala (also grand ayatollah Al Sistani) based clerics did and do not consider the notion that a divine government can exist without the return of the Mahdi possible, ergo the Vilayat al Fiqh doctrine is incorrect. These Iraqi based schools are called 'quietists', and the Mahdi is a Jesus like figure in Twelver Shi'ism which is prophetized to return in the end of days.

This is important because the Iraqi Shia populace is divided on the matter, as are Shias in many other countries. The non-Khomeinist Iraqi centers of learning have a deeper history and status, the Iranian heartland converted to Shia Islam relatively late, the Safavids (Turkic nomads) only in the 16th century started conversion campaigns and as a result Qom does not have the same standing as Najaf.

This theological intra Twelver split is visible in every Shia community, and by extension their political parties and militias. In Iraq there are the Iran tied Shia parties/ militias (AAH, Nujaba, Kataib Hezbollah etc) but the biggest player of all (Moqtada Al Sadr) is in opposition to Iranian interference in Iraq and his Shi'ite Alliance/ Sadr Movement stands for Iraqi self-determination. In Lebanon the non-Khomeinist bloc is Amal.
 
Iran has confirmed the death of the heart-throb that was charming thread posters here with his Aryan chad looks

His daughter lives in the US though so it might be an idea for IIMT to deck himself out in some sick Aryan drip, drop some game and rizz her up.
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Remember 10 years ago when Trump's tweets were only a few words or sentences long, and were really funny ?
Some of his tweets from the 2010-2012 are pretty cool, man has a deep understanding of geopolitics and the 1988 referral to Kharg Island (which will be taken) is the cherry on the cake. The man's been a proponent of maximum pressure for 50 years.

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Qatar wants to bolster the current US - Qatar security pact. This might come as a surprise to anyone hooked on thirdworldist hopium, but the Iranian decision to fire projectiles for two weeks straight and deliberate attempt to crash the Qatari economic hydrocarbon lifeline was not received well in Doha. There's a sense of betrayal amongst the Qatari leadership and as expected they are nestling deeper under the wings of the US security umbrella in the Gulf. Also keep in mind that Qatar used to be Iran's grey zone access point into non-sanctioned economies, Qatar was the closest to Tehran of all the Gulf States.




The bridges between the GCC and Iran have been burnt, the Qatari leadership has demanded the immediate departure of the Iranian diplomatic mission in the country and has called the Iranian attacks unprovoked, dangerous and reckless. Likewise a joint statement by the GCC countries, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon etc. was released. Until recently Qatar was on friendly footing with Tehran, one of only two non-competitive GCC states (Oman the other) to be so due to Iran's role in circumnavigating the Saudi blockade on Qatar a few years back. Qatari (shadow) banks were essential for Tehran to evade sanctions.





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