Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

thinkreadwritecode said:
Has anyone noticed if there's been any propaganda about Islam being the religion of peace, or are we past that?
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The right-wing is desperate to blame Islam, but then they import millions of them for cheap labor. The left-wing is silent, because they are beholden to the same AIPAC organizations and they secretly support the war as well.
 
Cooper said:
Think of the Russian campaign in Ukraine, 4 years into this and after several thousand strikes, they still don't send their jets beyond the frontlines.

The Iranians are hiding their AA gear underground, they can ambush any jets flying too close, especially if they have real time satellite intel of incoming raids. It's a bit like the Ukrainians, all it takes is one S-300 inside a barn to bring down a Russian jet.
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Ukraine also actually has a functioning air force unlike Iran so I think that would also factor into why Russians don't penetrate as far and why haven't enjoyed the sort of air supremacy over Ukraine that the US and Israel has had over Iran.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
Collapse? No one said anything about collapse. It is the first blow to the invincibility of the F-35 platform. I saw a lot of people talking about the last thing the USA needs is the F-35 to look beatable. The number of countries buying this platform could shrink. This is the first blow to its reputation. Will more be taken out or is this a lucky shot. Time remains to be seen.

But as long as China is using 140 IQ engineers, and Russia does the same, and the USA imports third world engineers, we will continue to fall behind and soon our allies will eventually look elsewhere to buy equipment. Import the third world, become the third world. And now all those satanic bastards who told me the third worlder's are more American than my family, who literally helped to build this country, get to go to war with their new pets.
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Chinese aircraft are one story - one of modest improvements on facsimilies bleeding edge concepts pioneered by American defense primes thirty years ago - but Russia? How many combat-coded 4.75-generation SU-57s are in service? Answer: too few for Russian Aerospace Forces to be scared about losing the two handfuls they've managed to scrape together to do anything but lob glide bombs and R-77s from BVR.

And how's that Sukhoi Checkmate doing?
 
Wutang said:
Are you going to address the arguments he made that the airplane being hit isn't a sign of the collapse of US military engineering which you were claiming it was or are you just going to do the IIMT LLM loop thing where you spit out a default pre written reply (IQ, third world immigration, Trump, voting etc etc) that has nothing to do with the debate at hand in order to drive every debate to the same topic, which is what you are doing right now?
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IIMT's description of technological and industrial decline does apply to companies like Boeing and their technical troubles due to outsourcing and the company no longer being run by American engineers.

It's not inconceivable that the military arm faces similar issues, see the software problems in the F-35 program.

dicknixon72 said:
Chinese aircraft are one story - one of modest improvements on facsimilies bleeding edge concepts pioneered by American defense primes thirty years ago - but Russia? How many combat-coded 4.75-generation SU-57s are in service? Answer: too few for Russian Aerospace Forces to be scared about losing the two handfuls they've managed to scrape together to do anything but lob glide bombs and R-77s from BVR.

And how's that Sukhoi Checkmate doing?
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The Su57 has been in service in Russia, scored several air to air victories, around 35-40 planes produced with about as many on order. Part of the reason its production rate is relatively low is that certain elements are still in development, and the Su-35 which is cheaper and completely proven does a good job for them.

Almost all air to air victories the last several decades have been BVR, but if it came to dogfighting, the Su57 is the most maneuverable fighter jet of all time. For a fighter program with roughly 3%-4% of the F-35 total program cost, it is a superb specimen of Russian engineering.

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As to the F-35 on the Iran front, the Russians have had many years to study its signature and specs from their S-300 stations in Syria, perhaps the incident over Iran is a result of that.
 
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