Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

Almost all the bombings so far have been from stand-off weapons, whose stocks are rapidly diminishing. So the USAF is now getting closer to their targets and more exposed to these kinds of events, and it appears that the Iranians have some decent Russian, Chinese and domestic AA hardware.


Trump told me that the US had effectively destroyed military targets in Iran. Looks like he missed at least 1 ....
 
A speculative theory is yellow Nostradamus says Trump wants this. He wants the fall of the American empire. Cause it´s antagonistic with America first. The first ever leader in history to wishfully want to end his country might. He wants america to lose. And lose americans will. Engulfing the rest of western world. Incredible. What a retarded slob. Trump would be a great city mayor. Small politics would be tailored for him. Not presidency. His to small for that. How the f did this retard reached US presidency? The level of hunger of US people for something half normal to elect this bozo twice.
Obama definitely tried to engineer the fall of America from super power status.

If you are right that Trump is trying this now, he's not the first.
 
A speculative theory is yellow Nostradamus says Trump wants this. He wants the fall of the American empire. Cause it´s antagonistic with America first. The first ever leader in history to wishfully want to end his country might. He wants america to lose. And lose americans will. Engulfing the rest of western world. Incredible. What a retarded slob. Trump would be a great city mayor. Small politics would be tailored for him. Not presidency. His to small for that. How the f did this retard reached US presidency? The level of hunger of US people for something half normal to elect this bozo twice.
If this is the case, igniting the US's fall from empire, then the US is going to be in a multi-polar world. And that world will depend on allies and relationships.

Right now Trump isn't even bothering to tell them about starting a large war in the MIddle East, causing huge supply and energy crises.

Other than being leveraged, what is the coherent rationale behind this??
 
Specious reasoning.

How many combat sorties have been flown by all F-35 variants?

How many have been hit?

Okay then.
How many times have they been really tested? How many other options are out there and other, much more serious nations, to purchase military equipment from. Not nations that import third world "engineers" but nations that promote their own 140 IQ people to build much better equipment.
 
How many times have they been really tested? How many other options are out there and other, much more serious nations, to purchase military equipment from. Not nations that import third world "engineers" but nations that promote their own 140 IQ people to build much better equipment.

Your anti-American black pill consumption is clouding a factual assessment that a) F-35 is combat-proven in this theatre b) stealth /= invisibility and also /= impenetrability, c) that it took what looks to be a direct hit from a projectile larger than a MANPAD yet still managed to return to a friendly airfield says a lot about the survivability of the airframe.

Fact is, America is the only nation to have fielded combat-coded 5th generation platforms of any variety in combat, three of them as a matter of fact, all of which have operated in sorties with high success and generation rates.
 
Nice detailed reply that directly addresses the issue at hand (the capability of the F-35) with arguments but unless you can somehow tie it to Trump or third world IQ or China it's just going to pass through IIMT's brain without being comprehended. Get2Choppa had a debate not too long ago with IIMT about the US military and whether it's arsenal still holds up and when Choppa went into the specifications of equipment IIMT straight up said "LOL I'm not going to read what you wrote cause I know I'm right".
 
I'm early for April Fools, but here goes.

The USA had several abilities that made it the pre-eminent world super power since WW2. Some of them were:

(1) manufacturing and new technologies, like computer software and chips that enabled the technological control grid surveillance state

(2) culture or soft power that was exportable for the purpose of creating new markets where its products could be sold in order to expand the control grid

(3) military to enforce sanctions and punish sovereigns

(4) world reserve currency

If there is anyone in control who wants to remain in control, then all of these need to gradually transition to some other state entity for the next big thing to emerge because:

(1) Globalization reduced US manufacturing through remote outsourcing Chinese slave labor and also local outsourcing via mass migration.

(2) If you saw any of the Oscars you know that there is no market outside of the woke West for the DEI garbage that is being produced.

(3) The US military command is showing weakness in its failure in the GWOT, e.g. the withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc., and it has also failed to remain up to date with recent weapons like hypersonic missiles or Iranian drones, not to mention Ukranian & Russian anti-drone advances. It is also too thinly spread around the world.

(4) The US dollar was made the world reserve currency in much simpler times and it still required a crisis as big as WW2 in order to establish such a universally accepted monetary exchange standard. There are now too many dependencies on the USD to make even a gradual change to another currency, even if there were a better choice, without there being a crisis at least equivalent to WW2 or Covid, but probably exceeding those in size and scope.

Iran taking control of the Strait of Hormuz and demanding payment for hydrocarbons and/or shipping in anything but petrodollars could signal the upcoming transition to a different monetary standard. Perhaps some kind of interim crisis will happen in order for there to be "two weeks the flatten the exchange rate."
 
Your anti-American black pill consumption is clouding a factual assessment that a) F-35 is combat-proven in this theatre b) stealth /= invisibility and also /= impenetrability, c) that it took what looks to be a direct hit from a projectile larger than a MANPAD yet still managed to return to a friendly airfield says a lot about the survivability of the airframe.

Fact is, America is the only nation to have fielded combat-coded 5th generation platforms of any variety in combat, three of them as a matter of fact, all of which have operated in sorties with high success and generation rates.

The USAF has relied mostly on stand-off weapons dropped from a distance, this incident might be the result of bombing runs going deeper into Iranian territory as a result of diminishing inventory of stand-off weapons.
 
The USAF has relied mostly on stand-off weapons dropped from a distance, this incident might be the result of bombing runs going deeper into Iranian territory as a result of diminishing inventory of stand-off weapons.

The point of stand-off weapons - combined with stealthy platforms and SEAD - is to soften-up enemy air defenses so you can utilize numerically-superior stand-in capabilities (4th-gen aircraft, 'dirty' 5th-gen aircraft, and glide bombs). Its not necessarily a result of diminishing stocks, rather just protocol.
 
Your anti-American black pill consumption is clouding a factual assessment that a) F-35 is combat-proven in this theatre b) stealth /= invisibility and also /= impenetrability, c) that it took what looks to be a direct hit from a projectile larger than a MANPAD yet still managed to return to a friendly airfield says a lot about the survivability of the airframe.

Fact is, America is the only nation to have fielded combat-coded 5th generation platforms of any variety in combat, three of them as a matter of fact, all of which have operated in sorties with high success and generation rates.
It isn't black pill, unless you think third world immigration and having all these weirdos in our country is a good thing. It is just the result of undercutting your own high IQ people for the third world to save a buck.
 
It isn't black pill, unless you think third world immigration and having all these weirdos in our country is a good thing. It is just the result of undercutting your own high IQ people for the third world to save a buck.
Are you going to address the arguments he made that the airplane being hit isn't a sign of the collapse of US military engineering which you were claiming it was or are you just going to do the IIMT LLM loop thing where you spit out a default pre written reply (IQ, third world immigration, Trump, voting etc etc) that has nothing to do with the debate at hand in order to drive every debate to the same topic, which is what you are doing right now?
 
The point of stand-off weapons - combined with stealthy platforms and SEAD - is to soften-up enemy air defenses so you can utilize numerically-superior stand-in capabilities (4th-gen aircraft, 'dirty' 5th-gen aircraft, and glide bombs). Its not necessarily a result of diminishing stocks, rather just protocol.

Think of the Russian campaign in Ukraine, 4 years into this and after several thousand strikes, they still don't send their jets beyond the frontlines.

The Iranians are hiding their AA gear underground, they can ambush any jets flying too close, especially if they have real time satellite intel of incoming raids. It's a bit like the Ukrainians, all it takes is one S-300 inside a barn to bring down a Russian jet.
 
Are you going to address the arguments he made that the airplane being hit isn't a sign of the collapse of US military engineering which you were claiming it was or are you just going to do the IIMT LLM loop thing where you spit out a default pre written reply (IQ, third world immigration, Trump, voting etc etc) that has nothing to do with the debate at hand in order to drive every debate to the same topic, which is what you are doing right now?
Collapse? No one said anything about collapse. It is the first blow to the invincibility of the F-35 platform. I saw a lot of people talking about the last thing the USA needs is the F-35 to look beatable. The number of countries buying this platform could shrink. This is the first blow to its reputation. Will more be taken out or is this a lucky shot. Time remains to be seen.

But as long as China is using 140 IQ engineers, and Russia does the same, and the USA imports third world engineers, we will continue to fall behind and soon our allies will eventually look elsewhere to buy equipment. Import the third world, become the third world. And now all those satanic bastards who told me the third worlder's are more American than my family, who literally helped to build this country, get to go to war with their new pets.
 
You're finally back on the topic. Good. Now address these arguments on the F-35

a) F-35 is combat-proven in this theatre b) stealth /= invisibility and also /= impenetrability, c) that it took what looks to be a direct hit from a projectile larger than a MANPAD yet still managed to return to a friendly airfield says a lot about the survivability of the airframe.
 
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