Finding a traditional wife abroad

I believe this to be the case although I cannot be certain for sure until I have more life experience and have visited more countries.
But for now I would say it appears to be that way.


Is it possible the placebo effect could play a part here?
Anything is possible, but it sounds like you're actively fighting against believing, because it would mean you'd have to act on that belief. Try asking God, sincerely. Sincerity would include being willing to be chaste and go to church.

James 1:5:

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
 
I know a guy with a wife and two kids making ~390USD per month. Reader in the church in the capital. Wife doesn't work. He owns a place atleast, as almost everyone here does, so he's not paying rent.

Anyway the factor that makes all the difference is being Christian and traditional yourself. Why would a traditional girl want to marry a foreigner? Because that girl's only hobbies are going to church, reading the lives of the saints, visiting monasteries, and doing family stuff and there aren't enough local guys matching this energy.

May sound made up but I know 3 of these girls at the church I went to back in the capital. Choir girls, attend every service, prepare the meal and clean up after each liturgy, one is an accountant but the other two paint icons for income and live with family. If I wasn't on the other side of the country I'd be going for one of them myself. Last I heard one of them was being courted by a foreign guy that's been here a year, recently baptized, trying to get some kind of online business going but totally broke right now.

You get access to that type of girl by being in the church yourself, and serious about it. Hell, that was the capital. Go to church every Sunday in a small/medium town and you may be the only young single guy doing that. Get to know the priest, go fishing or something, mention that you're looking to get married.

But of course if you're not Orthodox and serious about it those girls would make you miserable. But if you are they're ideal.
Brilliant post. The simple, godly life can be beautiful.

“Then he said to them, ‘Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.’”
Luke 12
 
Have you actually tried traveling abroad and dating women in other countries?
Yes, and I did it completely broke yet with much success. However, I am tall, above "decent" looking, and fairly talented (play guitar and sing which is always a winning skill set with women). This is changing as I ease into the later stages of life and so I can't rely on my looks the way I use to, but now I have a bit more money, a great business (that is very popular with women), and a beautiful off-grid tiny house on acerage with lots of nice things (furniture, appliances, tools, art, electronics, etc.). And so I believe that since I've built it she will come. But I do not seek "her." I've actually resigned myself to accepting my monk-mode fate. I simply pray everyday for forgiveness for my past sins and for God to make clear and to indicate to me the next step(s) I should take. At this juncture, it appears women will not be part of my future. But who knows? Stranger things have happened.

I'll pray for you to find God. You are obviously a bright and hard working "youngish" man and I do think, though a bit misguided, you are operating in good faith. May God bless you and give you a good life.
 
I know a guy with a wife and two kids making ~390USD per month. Reader in the church in the capital. Wife doesn't work. He owns a place atleast, as almost everyone here does, so he's not paying rent.

Anyway the factor that makes all the difference is being Christian and traditional yourself. Why would a traditional girl want to marry a foreigner? Because that girl's only hobbies are going to church, reading the lives of the saints, visiting monasteries, and doing family stuff and there aren't enough local guys matching this energy.

May sound made up but I know 3 of these girls at the church I went to back in the capital. Choir girls, attend every service, prepare the meal and clean up after each liturgy, one is an accountant but the other two paint icons for income and live with family. If I wasn't on the other side of the country I'd be going for one of them myself. Last I heard one of them was being courted by a foreign guy that's been here a year, recently baptized, trying to get some kind of online business going but totally broke right now.

You get access to that type of girl by being in the church yourself, and serious about it. Hell, that was the capital. Go to church every Sunday in a small/medium town and you may be the only young single guy doing that. Get to know the priest, go fishing or something, mention that you're looking to get married.

But of course if you're not Orthodox and serious about it those girls would make you miserable. But if you are they're ideal.

You’re correct. Where are you located if you don’t mind me asking? Especially if the culture supports it, what you describe is absolutely possible.

The problem with this in the US is that the culture glorifies degeneracy instead of Godliness. You definitely won’t be the only guy in church, and chances are there will be way more males than females skewing the ratio.
 
This is why I'd advise doing some research, say 20-40 hours total on a dozon different places, get a solid list of 3-5 spots to check out, save up a budget for 3-6 months total and then buy an airplane ticket. If after a month or so the place isn't working out, move on the the next one.
Good stuff. Thanks. I agree.
I agree, if you have enough to retire in your 30s or 40s and live off savings and passive income, why work more. The problem is that this will never happen for most men.
Indeed. For some, they'll be the new "explorers" - not just backpackers, who are largely broke and just crowd the places, tourist-y.
You understand that in some of these countries there are guys raising families making less than one thousand euros per month right?
They aren't foreigners though.
but if you have never had this or can't create this connection with a girl then you feel like you need 1M to compensate for it.
I don't want to say people don't naturally have this but I'm convinced now it's rare, and certainly with women you can form connection over time. If you are impressive in various ways they'll allow this to happen. But for men the boner test reigns.
I do feel that once in your 40s it would be hard to meet a decent local women without a work or similar network to bring you together for an organic attraction.
Yeah, and there are TONS of successful men, even if a minority, who just won't have a reasonable pairing or counterpart. You lose it in the west due to the age gap problems socially, with sparse connections or even other people caring over the years, and spoiling.
As a man you need to think of yourself as the hero on a journey. What hero stays at home and waits? You need to get out there and make things happen. Even failing will teach valuable lessons. Dipping toes in the water and then giving up with intellectual arguments does not count either. You need skin in the game. If one country does not work you need to analyse why and then try a different approach or another country.
I agree. Keep going, and do it wisely, with whatever is most suitable.
The problem with this in the US is that the culture glorifies degeneracy instead of Godliness. You definitely won’t be the only guy in church, and chances are there will be way more males than females skewing the ratio.
Yes, even if met some of these over the years, most of the time (some were even immigrants), sadly they were older. A few were good spirits, I think truly well directed and solid enough, but the problem was that it's hard to dive into things with older women that you're just lukewarm, at best, about. At this point the churches are a sausage fest (hate how overused that was for years but haven't heard it for a while, lol), but that's actually to the glory of God since people are waking up to the fact that there is more to life than BS materialism and propaganda. It isn't stopping them from crowding any small # of women, though, that's for sure.
 
I'm in Georgia, originally in Tbilisi, now in a smaller town. Would rather not say which since Georgia is basically one big village already and I'm the only westerner in this town so it'd make my identity even more obvious.

Thanks was just interested in general location. Its amazing what a culture and country dedicated to being religious can bring about.
 
My problem with Christianity is that if Christianity really is the real deal then why did god not make it obvious to all and sundry? Instead we have an estimated 4000 - 10,000 different religions in the world and with an estimated 700 deities being worshiped currently. And that is not even talking about the vast number of agnostics and atheists. If god really is the god of the Christians that they claim he is why didn't he make it indisputably clear to all? Instead the god of the Christians deliberately chose to allow humans to continue living in confusion and doubt long after Christ returned to heaven. But for what purpose?
You are assuming that it would be advantageous to humanity for God to make it more "obvious". That's not necessarily the case. The ultimate goal of human life from the Orthodox perspective is to seek union with God, to attain salvation. The universe that God created is the best possible universe that will save the most souls. He sees billions of factors that we don't see.

Think about this. The devil knows God exists, he has zero doubt. And yet, he still rebelled against him along with a third of the angels. Because creatures with free will cannot help but become prideful. It is better to remain ignorant and to reject God than to be sure of His existence and still reject Him. In the latter case, the person's sin will be greater because he consciously rejects the truth and thus his soul will become darker. So God protects those who would willfully reject Him by making Himself only obvious to those who seek Him. The evidence we have is sufficient. Jesus Christ is by far the most documented historical figure from the ancient world. The miracles He performed are exceedingly well documented, and He also fulfilled dozens of prophecies from the Old Testament. But people have to look a bit to be convinced, and that helps train the virtue of faith, which further draws us closer to God.

Not to mention, how would God prove to us he exists with 100% certainty and still allow us free will? I can't think of any way. Even if He wrote "Jesus Christ is Lord" in the stars, some would say they are going mad, or aliens did it, or outer space is an illusion. So what evidence would it take to convince you?

The reason there are thousands of religions is because people 1) some people far from the Holy Land could feel God's presence and so did the best they could without divine revelation and formulated a religious system on their own like Laozi and his Taoism, and 2) others were tricked by the devil into worshipping demons like the Hindus. Or it's a mix of both.
Sometimes it is even more strict than that where women add social circle or sub regional criteria on top of the ethnic criteria. For example in Australia I have a Serbian friend who moved to Australia when he was 12. He has family still in Serbia and Croatia and goes to visit both countries sometimes yet he still has trouble to get a girl in Serbia or Croatia despite speaking fluent Serbian because he didn't grow up in their social circles so he is seen as an outsider.

And I have a North Macedonian friend in Australia who moved to Australia as a child (but he speaks fluent Macedonian) and multiple times he tried to go back to North Macedonia to find a girl but he still struggled because he didn't grow up in their social circles so he is seen as an outsider. .

I remember when I was in Kosovo I met an Albanian girl living in the capital Pristina but she was originally from another another city in Kosovo. Her parents would not even allow her to marry an Albanian guy from another city it had to be a guy from the same city she was from, let alone a foreigner.

Basically in Europe you have the more liberal westernized countries where girls are open to marrying foreigners but like Anglo sphere women their standards are outrageous so for example a female 6 who is 30 years old in Germany will expect to marry a tall, rich and handsome guy. Then you have more traditional countries like Kosovo and North Macedonia where beautiful young girls will marry the most loser guys imaginable (ugly, out of shape, broke, cheats, treats her bad, etc) but he has to be the same ethnicity and religion.

My hope is that there is a 3rd group of countries which are the golden ticket where there are a decent number of high quality women who are willing to marry foreigners (and have reasonable standards). My guess is countries like Belarus, Moldova, Russia, Romania, Ukraine (when the war is over), etc might fit into this third group. But I am really waiting for the opportunity to put boots on the ground to see with my own eyes if this is actually the case or not. The anecdotal evidence I keep hearing tends to reinforce this view but I cannot truly know until I experience it for myself.
I think you are right that there are roughly 3 groups of countries. You can predict the level of in-group preference by the level of genetic similarity/inbreeding between people. The most inbred people in Europe are from the Western Balkans, so they are highly focused on their own in-group and don't like outsiders. Middle Easterners are a more extreme example. Certain Americans like those in Appalachia are also very inbred due to historical circumstances.

On the other hand, the most outbred are the Dutch, but this is what led to them and other Western Europeans flooding their countries with millions of migrants and accepting woke ideology. They don't care about their own people, everyone is the same as far as they're concerned.

Then you have this group in the East that stretches from Greece and Bulgaria up to Poland and Russia. They have moderate levels of inbreeding, so they are nationalistic, but I'm guessing not so extreme as to reject people outside their social groups. So my guess is that's your sweet spot and my personal experience gives credence to this theory.

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Not to mention, how would God prove to us he exists with 100% certainty and still allow us free will? I can't think of any way. Even if He wrote "Jesus Christ is Lord" in the stars, some would say they are going mad, or aliens did it, or outer space is an illusion. So what evidence would it take to convince you?

This is the gist of the answer to "why doesn't God just reveal himself openly" that you'll get from pretty much all Christian churches, in my experience. It makes sense to me, so I buy it.
The reason there are thousands of religions is because people 1) some people far from the Holy Land could feel God's presence and so did the best they could without divine revelation and formulated a religious system on their own like Laozi and his Taoism, and 2) others were tricked by the devil into worshipping demons like the Hindus. Or it's a mix of both.
Also as good an answer to "why are there so many different religions" as you'll find. About worshiping literal demons, it's more common than people think. The Aztecs and Mayans with their worship of blood and death through human sacrifice, most "animist" African paganism (e.g. Voodoo), in addition to the demon gods of the Hindus.
 
The reason there are thousands of religions is because people 1) some people far from the Holy Land could feel God's presence and so did the best they could without divine revelation and formulated a religious system on their own like Laozi and his Taoism, and 2) others were tricked by the devil into worshipping demons like the Hindus. Or it's a mix of both.
There is a good book written by an Orthodox monk called "Christ the Eternal Tao", which I can recommend. God revealed Himself to the whole world in various ways but only completely through Abraham-Isaac-Jacob....through Jesus Christ. I believe St. Paul said in his epistle to the Romans that we will be judged by the Light that was given us. However nice that sounds, that puts a huge onus on Christians, particularly the Orthodox, who have the fullness of the Faith.
 
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