Finding a traditional wife abroad

1M?

Dude are you planning moving to a palace?

With 1M you can buy an entire building in a shithole country. And rent out apartments.

To move to a non wealthy country invest in real estate.

Why not just buying a house in a wealthy country and living from those rents in a shithole place?

I know a couple who went to live in Bali. With the money from their rents. But even in Bali. They invested in land there. And found investors in paddle courts (i dont play that fag version of tennis).

You can make a loan from your house in western world and invest it in a shithole. I was planning to buy a house in Brazil like this.

But even a loan you can get 50% as a foreigner.
You obviously did not pay attention to what I said. Where did I write $1 million for a house? I said $200,000 for a house. The rest would need to go into investments to generate passive income for you. For example if you buy a house for $200,000 and invest $800,000 in stocks or residential real estate and lets say it gives you 4% yield/cash flow that is $32,000 per year passive income plus a paid off house. Just enough to support a family of 4 in an inexpensive country.

Remember living in a poor country is only fun when you have more money than 90% of the locals otherwise what is the point? That is why it is called geo-arbitrage.
 
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You obviously did not pay attention to what I said. Where did I write $1 million for a house? I said $200,000 for a house. The rest would need to go into investments to generate passive income for you. For example if you buy a house for $200,000 and invest $800,000 in stocks or residential real estate and lets say it gives you 4% yield/cash flow that is $32,000 per year passive income plus a paid off house. Just enough to support a family of 4 in an inexpensive country.
I know we went back and forth on the futility of this subject...

I'm not trying to rehash old beef nor am I trying to belittle your comment/pursuit.

Just curious, with that sort of knowledge of the money game and all of that, you'd be able to go well in America.... Is America considered an "abroad" area?
 
I know we went back and forth on the futility of this subject...

I'm not trying to rehash old beef nor am I trying to belittle your comment/pursuit.

Just curious, with that sort of knowledge of the money game and all of that, you'd be able to go well in America.... Is America considered an "abroad" area?
USA is a great country for making money no doubt. So much financial opportunity in USA.

But I would not want to stomach living there lifestyle wise. You grew up there (and have family ties) and are married and have kids so its a totally different situation to somebody like me. Women wise USA is pretty bad. But even just from the perspective of overall lifestyle (food, history, architecture, walk-ability, public transport, crime, culture, etc) I feel there are other countries where the lifestyle would appeal to me a lot more.

If I get to the point of having a few million dollars I would be more than happy to trade off a certain amount of financial opportunity for better lifestlye factors. But that is just me and everybody is different.
 
USA is a great country for making money no doubt. So much financial opportunity in USA.

But I would not want to stomach living there lifestyle wise. You grew up there (and have family ties) and are married and have kids so its a totally different situation to somebody like me. Women wise USA is pretty bad. But even just from the perspective of overall lifestyle (food, history, architecture, walk-ability, public transport, crime, culture, etc) I feel there are other countries where the lifestyle would appeal to me a lot more.

If I get to the point of having a few million dollars I would be more than happy to trade off a certain amount of financial opportunity for better lifestlye factors. But that is just me and everybody is different.
Fair. But if I can offer the below In a generally inquisitive nature let me submit:

I think you're underselling the most geographically diverse country for your desires of a white woman though.

There is incredible freedom here for any sort of pursuit you want and an economic means to continue that freedom.

Admittedly Im biased because I've married, divorced and then remarried.... But I've spent sufficient time abroad and had a long term Eastern European girlfriend to know a lot about the options out there. Within The Church, there is still a huge area of suitable women in the US.

I'm not saying at all that this can't be found elsewhere...just not sure how one might go about it.

I think there's a certain level of perfect expectations that aren't realistic abroad.

Maybe you'll say it's easy for me to say since I'm married ECT...but just for discussion sake curious your retort in addition.
 
Fair. But if I can offer the below In a generally inquisitive nature let me submit:

I think you're underselling the most geographically diverse country for your desires of a white woman though.

There is incredible freedom here for any sort of pursuit you want and an economic means to continue that freedom.

Admittedly Im biased because I've married, divorced and then remarried.... But I've spent sufficient time abroad and had a long term Eastern European girlfriend to know a lot about the options out there. Within The Church, there is still a huge area of suitable women in the US.

I'm not saying at all that this can't be found elsewhere...just not sure how one might go about it.

I think there's a certain level of perfect expectations that aren't realistic abroad.

Maybe you'll say it's easy for me to say since I'm married ECT...but just for discussion sake curious your retort in addition.
You raise a reasonable and valid point. There are a decent amount of conservative women in some of the hardcore bible belt regions of the USA which is missing in other western countries. However these women are doing pretty okay financially given the general wealth levels in the USA and they have plenty of options in terms of men with good financial standing so there is no incentive for them to look outside of the men in their own community, As an outsider its not easy for you to get access to such women.

Whereas say an Orthodox Christian woman (I am not Christian but just making the point for arguments sake) in rural Belarus or rural Russia has a limited amount of options in terms of local men that can properly financially support a family thus as a foreigner the playing field is somewhat leveled (it somewhat counteracts their home-ground advantage that local men have).

The other factor comes down to attractiveness of women. In Slavic countries, etc there are just a much higher percentage of attractive women. In Anglo countries attractive women are not as common so obviously they have more value. In Slavic countries 7s are as common as dirt.

Essentially that is a long winded way of saying in foreign countries there is simply less competition for high caliber women. Easier to win in a less competitive environment. I feel like I would rather try to stack the odds in my favor as much as possible. But that is just me. Some guys prefer an extreme challenge..

But yeah obviously there are tradeoffs in every situation. If for example you leave the comforts of a first world country to go a ex communist country you got to deal with often cold weather, corruption, poor economy, language barrier, cultural shock, inefficiency, etc Like with everything in life you got to decide what tradeoffs you want to make. There are no solutions only tradeoffs.
 
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There are other, more lucrative, ways to work in foreign countries. I've done that when I've lived overseas. Sure, there's risk involved and you don't have the security you'd have with a million dollars, but it's a better option than waiting until you've saved a million, which would mean never for most men. Although if you're young and you can't figure out a decent job in the country you're interested in, I don't think saving a bit and taking a break from work for a few months and going and seeing what happens is a bad option either. All of these are very likely better than marrying a woman from your own country, especially if you're from an Anglo country, although I'd ask God what's best for you.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this I suppose. I would like to point out that I have never had anywhere close to a million dollars saved up, but I am, right now, married to a very traditional, pleasant woman from a "developing" country, with whom I have children. In contrast, I believe you're still single and childless.

One other crucial thing is that I believe in God, the power of prayer, and the promise in Matthew 7:7-8. If your desires are righteous, God will grant them to you and you can also ask God if what you're planning is right and get a yes or no answer through the Holy Spirit. This is a very real thing to me and hopefully it will become so for you too eventually. I'd say if you really want to find a woman to be your wife and the mother of your children and to have something like what I have, ask God sincerely even if you don't fully believe yet. Watch what happens.

Great post. I feel in our lives there’s a corollary to Matthew 7:7-8…

God will continue to close doors and knock you down if you continue to disobey and take paths he doesn’t want you take.

I believe this is what happened to the guys who went too deep into the player or pick up lifestyle.

In my experience when I’ve been going for months feeling like I’ve been banging my head against the wall and was overall dissatisfied with my life, it was a clear sign from God to go in another direction.
 
You obviously did not pay attention to what I said. Where did I write $1 million for a house? I said $200,000 for a house. The rest would need to go into investments to generate passive income for you. For example if you buy a house for $200,000 and invest $800,000 in stocks or residential real estate and lets say it gives you 4% yield/cash flow that is $32,000 per year passive income plus a paid off house. Just enough to support a family of 4 in an inexpensive country.

Remember living in a poor country is only fun when you have more money than 90% of the locals otherwise what is the point? That is why it is called geo-arbitrage.
You think you need 1M net worth to live comfortably in an Eastern Europe shithole?

Dude your lying to yourself. And to anyone who listens or reads you.
The only thing which you can’t lie to is time. Time doesn’t lie. And it’s running against you.

Your plan is shit. What you need to think of is how to integrate into the society your planning on emigrating to. This is key. Not some fabulated goals.

If you have contacts you can live like a king.

If you would be serious on your plans. And this will be your biggest hurdle. There’s only two normal common ways to meet people: work or study. Of course there’s more. Sports etc. but working or studying is the normal way to meet people and make genuine friendships.

Truth is you don’t need to go anywhere. You need to create the life you want to live in where your at. If you live in Australia the weather is great. Good looking girls. Etc etc. you could be worse.

Have you checked real estate? Where does 200k comes from? A land and a project will probably not surpass 100k in a secondary historic city. If that much.

4% yeld is shit. That’s for amateurs. And even the average norm is 5%. I think realty income reit yeld is near 6%.
I make 10-15% rents yelds with little sweat. And generally can make 300-500% capital gains. Not counting the leverage. With leverage I once bought a house with 100% financing with I sold for double. That was a nice yeld. You invest 0 and get 100% for free. And the house was sold cheap.

From my player travelings in Eastern Europe Croatia was the best. Never been to slovenia. But girls were really good looking. Other countries are too much shitholes to live in.
 
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Yeah people saying they need to save 'x' amount before moving. It just sounds like a cope to feel good about this eventual fantasy escape plan while not risking anything by actually doing it.
 
Within The Church, there is still a huge area of suitable women in the US.
I'm both American and Orthodox, and I'm not really sure I either a) believe or b) know what you are talking about. A lot of my family even run in Orthodox circles, and over decades (I'm not saying it's never happened) it's very, very rare. One of the reasons is that the country is big and I do think the distance can be an issue in the sense that the is small (which can be good), but are you going to travel or go long distance? No, proximity is a known #1 in all connections, because of time and timing. It's far more common for the ethnic people to get theirs together, but even that is just 1 generation, and then they are Americans, so the same problem creeps in (if they even teach their kids the faith, another issue).
I think there's a certain level of perfect expectations that aren't realistic abroad.
I can see this as being the case.
Whereas say an Orthodox Christian woman (I am not Christian but just making the point for arguments sake) in rural Belarus or rural Russia has a limited amount of options in terms of local men that can properly financially support a family thus as a foreigner the playing field is somewhat leveled (it somewhat counteracts their home-ground advantage that local men have).
This is the point. We've talked about the agency issue in other threads, so not to kill that, but to cut to the chase, if a woman doesn't experience scarcity at all, or even throughout any point in her life (most women we've ever encountered in the west fit this), you're just not going to get things you're looking for as a man. Period. Even if women aren't objectively more beautiful in the places AS talks about, the far more important part is that the selection pressure on them to be young, thin, etc and be what a man actually wants, because they need him, is there. Few men, or few good men, as I've stated many times, means little material comfort for them, and them not seeing avenues to fuck off. Think about what western women do from 15-25. Basically whatever the F they want to, with zero regard for the future. And not, I'm not talking about (fat) 5s or below, which aren't why men work hard.
Essentially that is a long winded way of saying in foreign countries there is simply less competition for high caliber women. Easier to win in a less competitive environment. I feel like I would rather try to stack the odds in my favor as much as possible. But that is just me. Some guys prefer an extreme challenge..
It's the additive effect of both less competition AND that fewer good men around causes nearly all the women to at least try, and at younger ages, etc. They don't have the luxury of being spoiled, spending others money, getting fat, old etc.
If you have contacts you can live like a king.
That's the key. And it's almost, or just as hard, as finding the lottery woman in your own country.
If you would be serious on your plans. And this will be your biggest hurdle. There’s only two normal common ways to meet people: work or study. Of course there’s more. Sports etc. but working or studying is the normal way to meet people and make genuine friendships.
It's a good point and what clearly changes as you get well into your 20s and things start to really change.
From my player travelings in Eastern Europe Croatia was the best. Never been to slovenia. But girls were really good looking. Other countries are too much shitholes to live in.
Former Yugo and those similar places seem like gold mines, from all I've heard.
 
Yeah people saying they need to save 'x' amount before moving. It just sounds like a cope to feel good about this eventual fantasy escape plan while not risking anything by actually doing it.
We've given well thought out, paragraph answers why this may not be the case at all. Life is about risk, but also about not taking stupid risks. Your trite post isn't really serving anyone here.
 
You think you need 1M net worth to live comfortably in an Eastern Europe shithole?

Dude your lying to yourself. And to anyone who listens or reads you.
The only thing which you can’t lie to is time. Time doesn’t lie. And it’s running against you.

Your plan is shit. What you need to think of is how to integrate into the society your planning on emigrating to. This is key. Not some fabulated goals.

If you have contacts you can live like a king.

If you would be serious on your plans. And this will be your biggest hurdle. There’s only two normal common ways to meet people: work or study. Of course there’s more. Sports etc. but working or studying is the normal way to meet people and make genuine friendships.

Truth is you don’t need to go anywhere. You need to create the life you want to live in where your at. If you live in Australia the weather is great. Good looking girls. Etc etc. you could be worse.

Have you checked real estate? Where does 200k comes from? A land and a project will probably not surpass 100k in a secondary historic city. If that much.

4% yeld is shit.
That’s for amateurs. And even the average norm is 5%. I think realty income reit yeld is near 6%.
I make 10-15% rents yelds with little sweat. And generally can make 300-500% capital gains. Not counting the leverage. With leverage I once bought a house with 100% financing with I sold for double. That was a nice yeld. You invest 0 and get 100% for free. And the house was sold cheap.

From my player travelings in Eastern Europe Croatia was the best. Never been to slovenia. But girls were really good looking. Other countries are too much shitholes to live in.
Dude. I don't know what planet you are living in but a well located larger two bedroom apartment in a city like Novi Sad in Serbia or Timisiora in in Romania will set you back something 150,000 Euros. Let a lone a house for a family. 3 - 5% is the general benchmark level of yield for a diversified low risk portfolio of blue chip assets. If you start getting into the terriroty of higher yeilds there is usually either more risk involved or more headache involved.

Even for example in commercial property the lowest risk most blue chip property types will often sell on net rental yields of 4 or 5%. A warehouse in a prime location leased to Amazon on a 30 year lease or a data centre in a prime location leased to Google on a 30 year lease etc these types of properties with that quality level will often sell on net yields of 4 or 5%. when you start getting into the territory of 6%, 7%, 8% yields in commercial property there is often more risk involved. Same as dividends with stocks. In any bluechip city in a first world country you would be hard pressed to find a family home in a good location which sells on a net rental yield of more than 4%

For example if you look in the U.S.A. S&P High yield Dividend Aristocrats ETF:
"The S&P High Yield Dividend Aristocrats® index is designed to measure the performance of companies within the S&P Composite 1500® that have followed a managed-dividends policy of consistently increasing dividends every year for at least 20 years." The current yield on this ETF is a about 3%.


By the way I am not saying yields of more than 4% are unattainable. I am just saying in the 3 - 5% ballpark is what is generally available to the passive investor with minimal headache involved and moderate levels of risk involved and moderate knowledge required etc. Anything much above 4% yield and you are generally getting into the territory of specialized knowledge, more time investment, more headache or more risk. I am trying to talk about a yield which is easily available to the average member of the general public.

You said "There’s only two normal common ways to meet people: work or study." That is true for meeting people in general but its not true of searching for a traditional wife. In terms of studying we are all past high school age here and the type of woman who would be a traditional wife isn't going to go to university. Also the type of woman who would be a traditional wife is either not working or working in a non-serious job e.g. waitress, cashier etc. As a foreign man you are not going to work as a waiter or cashier in Romania or Serbia, etc. If you do some type of work there (.e.g. accountant, engineer, software programmer, etc) any women you meet through work will likely be career women rather than a traditional women.

Croatia? Are you kidding? Croatia is flooded with tourists so Croatian girls are going to give zero additional value to foreigners not to mention the insane levels of competition. Also cost of living is out of control in Croatia as most things are priced at tourist levels.
 
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Dude. I don't know what planet you are living in but a well located larger two bedroom apartment in a city like Novi Sad in Serbia or Timisiora in in Romania will set you back something 150,000 Euros. Let a lone a house for a family. 3 - 5% is the general benchmark level of yield for a diversified low risk portfolio of blue chip assets. If you start getting into the terriroty of higher yeilds there is usually either more risk involved or more headache involved.

Even for example in commercial property the lowest risk most blue chip property types will often sell on net rental yields of 4 or 5%. A warehouse in a prime location leased to Amazon on a 30 year lease or a data centre in a prime location leased to Google on a 30 year lease etc these types of properties with that quality level will often sell on net yields of 4 or 5%. when you start getting into the territory of 6%, 7%, 8% yields in commercial property there is often more risk involved. Same as dividends with stocks. In any bluechip city in a first world country you would be hard pressed to find a family home in a good location which sells on a net rental yield of more than 4%

For example if you look in the U.S.A. S&P High yield Dividend Aristocrats ETF:
"The S&P High Yield Dividend Aristocrats® index is designed to measure the performance of companies within the S&P Composite 1500® that have followed a managed-dividends policy of consistently increasing dividends every year for at least 20 years." The current yield on this ETF is a about 3%.


By the way I am not saying yields of more than 4% are unattainable. I am just saying in the 3 - 5% ballpark is what is generally available to the passive investor with minimal headache involved and moderate levels of risk involved and moderate knowledge required etc. Anything much above 4% yield and you are generally getting into the territory of specialized knowledge, more time investment, more headache or more risk. I am trying to talk about a yield which is easily available to the average member of the general public.

You said "There’s only two normal common ways to meet people: work or study." That is true for meeting people in general but its not true of searching for a traditional wife. In terms of studying we are all past high school age here and the type of woman who would be a traditional wife isn't going to go to university. Also the type of woman who would be a traditional wife is either not working or working in a non-serious job e.g. waitress, cashier etc. As a foreign man you are not going to work as a waiter or cashier in Romania or Serbia, etc. If you do some type of work there (.e.g. accountant, engineer, software programmer, etc) any women you meet through work will likely be career women rather than a traditional women.

Croatia? Are you kidding? Croatia is flooded with tourists so Croatian girls are going to give zero additional value to foreigners not to mention the insane levels of competition. Also cost of living is out of control in Croatia as most things are priced at tourist levels.
Reality income is giving 5,81%

Forward Dividend & Yield3.17 (5.81%)


I think its considered blue chip. Dont remember criteria.

A two bedroom apartment 150k? Thats foreigners price. Serbia is a shithole. Croatia was quite nice. Wouldnt mind living in a cottage by the sea there. If I wasnt married with kids.
 
Of course to each his own, but in my experience for your first visit or two, 6 months to a year each, it makes a lot more sense to just rent and get a feel for the place, make friends and establish connections before buying a house or property. Sure, the money spent on rent is 'gone' but you'll save many times that, especially if you can avoid paying "foreigner" price as @magoo said. Think of it as an investment.
To just get a feel for a place and start making solid plans there is absolutely no requirement to have millions in the bank, unless you are planning to never work again (which is in and of itself a whole other problem). If working remotely the geoarbitrage alone should make it possible to have a decent to great standard of living abroad with anything over 6 figures in savings.
 
Of course to each his own, but in my experience for your first visit or two, 6 months to a year each, it makes a lot more sense to just rent and get a feel for the place, make friends and establish connections before buying a house or property. Sure, the money spent on rent is 'gone' but you'll save many times that, especially if you can avoid paying "foreigner" price as @magoo said. Think of it as an investment.
To just get a feel for a place and start making solid plans there is absolutely no requirement to have millions in the bank, unless you are planning to never work again (which is in and of itself a whole other problem). If working remotely the geoarbitrage alone should make it possible to have a decent to great standard of living abroad with anything over 6 figures in savings.
I think for these guys stockpiling money with their jobs 6 months to 1 year visits aren't going to be doable.

The problem is of course that by the time you rock up as an old man with a bag of cash your dating options (and energy levels!) are going to be depleted.

Plus you go in with this horribly needy mindset that you have literally devoted your entire life to this dream and so it HAS to work out. Not good either.

Much better to just spend as much time in the country as you can but more with a mindset to talk to people and see what happens than 'I've done all I said I would do and now my dream WILL start' as if life is a videogame where you 'unlock' that next stage just be training hard.

Some countries are better than others but it really depends on a lot of factors. There is no objective 'best' country as it will depend on your temperament and also what generally women in that area are more likely to be attracted to in a foreigner.
 
Yes, and am wondering where you went and which places you liked, and which you didn't. Any rankings based on both your experience and that of people you trust?
Happy to discuss more specifics via DM, but in broad strokes: went to a bunch of Asian countries in my early twenties and moved there long-term pre-lockdown. Back and forth some for short term work projects or to visit family & friends.
Honestly I would say it really depends on the individual and what you are trying to optimize for, such as; Culture? Learning another language? Cost of living? American style food? City vs rural? Buying or renting? Finding local source of income, starting a business or working remotely?
For most of those types of things there are plenty of YouTube's, etc. that will rank countries, but what is harder to really quantify is the "it" factor of a certain place. How well you fit there, and just the general vibe (which can vary greatly by region/city).
This is why I'd advise doing some research, say 20-40 hours total on a dozon different places, get a solid list of 3-5 spots to check out, save up a budget for 3-6 months total and then buy an airplane ticket. If after a month or so the place isn't working out, move on the the next one.
If you spend say 4 - 6 weeks minimum each location, you can check out four different churches or go to the same one 4x, really get to know some locals, explore the place or even do a substantial amount of volunteer work with a local ministry. That'll give you enough data points to make a well informed decision when you decide what place to go back to for a longer visit, before deciding if it's worth relocating or moving to long term.
 
I think for these guys stockpiling money with their jobs 6 months to 1 year visits aren't going to be doable.

The problem is of course that by the time you rock up as an old man with a bag of cash your dating options (and energy levels!) are going to be depleted.

Plus you go in with this horribly needy mindset that you have literally devoted your entire life to this dream and so it HAS to work out. Not good either.

Much better to just spend as much time in the country as you can but more with a mindset to talk to people and see what happens than 'I've done all I said I would do and now my dream WILL start' as if life is a videogame where you 'unlock' that next stage just be training hard.

Some countries are better than others but it really depends on a lot of factors. There is no objective 'best' country as it will depend on your temperament and also what generally women in that area are more likely to be attracted to in a foreigner.
The solution to this is early retirement. You need to aim to be a millionaire in your 30s or 40s. Which I feel while not easy can be attainable for a lot of men with the right ambition, hard work and a bit of luck.
 
The solution to this is early retirement. You need to aim to be a millionaire in your 30s or 40s. Which I feel while not easy can be attainable for a lot of men with the right ambition, hard work and a bit of luck.
I agree, if you have enough to retire in your 30s or 40s and live off savings and passive income, why work more. The problem is that this will never happen for most men.

As I said before, I've never had anywhere close to a million dollars. As far as liquid funds, I've never ever had six figures saved. Most of my life I've just gone to work most days, like most men have done throughout all of human history. What I do have is a very traditional, pleasant wife from a "developing" country and I have children with her. I met her while I was working in her country.

I have to point out again for the younger guys following along that as awesome as your ideas about retiring young might sound, I believe you're still childless and single (correct me if I'm wrong). My way is best for most men.
 
The solution to this is early retirement. You need to aim to be a millionaire in your 30s or 40s. Which I feel while not easy can be attainable for a lot of men with the right ambition, hard work and a bit of luck.
You understand that in some of these countries there are guys raising families making less than one thousand euros per month right?

I think this money obsession might be procrastination a bit like the old 'I'll meet a woman as soon as I finish getting my six pack abs.'

There are guys making it happen right now. Today.
 
You understand that in some of these countries there are guys raising families making less than one thousand euros per month right?

I think this money obsession might be procrastination a bit like the old 'I'll meet a woman as soon as I finish getting my six pack abs.'

There are guys making it happen right now. Today.
A couple that can spend time together enjoying the simple things in life that are free or require no or almost no money can do this and also raise a family on a low budget but if you have never had this or can't create this connection with a girl then you feel like you need 1M to compensate for it. In some countries men and women still live at home with their parents into their 30's while dating until they move in together in a serious relationship. They don't place finances at the front because almost nobody is exceptional financially in those places, the bar is low so there is no point to filter for that primarily. They look at how much they like each other and like spending time together and how compatible their social circles and families and ideas and values are. A relationship does not have to cost more money than being single and in the best cases a relationship is saving you money. ( don't take this for america i am european ).
 
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