Finding a traditional wife abroad

[Jeff3025]

I wrote a thread called "Relocation Journey". There are many reasons people relocate: financial, spiritual, relationship, social,etc.
Instead of discussing, why not post practical tips to fund it. Perhaps collaborate on business ideas? Organize meetups?

 

[Douglas Quaid]

I worked as a deckhand on tour boats and met a few captains that would work in the US during warmer months, then live abroad in cheaper places for half the year. You could still make enough to save for retirement as well, and then make a permanent move if desired.

 

[Tippy]

In your 40s I guess it's a different beast but from 20s-mid 30s you should I think take a lot of trips and feel out what kind of places appeal to you (and what kind of women you get along better with).

I do feel that once in your 40s it would be hard to meet a decent local women without a work or similar network to bring you together for an organic attraction.

 

[scary_robot_music]

I do feel that once in your 40s it would be hard to meet a decent local women without a work or similar network to bring you together for an organic attraction.

Could be true. I was in my 40s when I met my wife in her country, but it was through work.

Also, there's always church.

 

[magoo]

The solution to this is early retirement. You need to aim to be a millionaire in your 30s or 40s. Which I feel while not easy can be attainable for a lot of men with the right ambition, hard work and a bit of luck.

THERE IS NO TOMORROW!

 

[Australia Sucks]

I agree, if you have enough to retire in your 30s or 40s and live off savings and passive income, why work more. The problem is that this will never happen for most men.

As I said before, I've never had anywhere close to a million dollars. As far as liquid funds, I've never ever had six figures saved. Most of my life I've just gone to work most days, like most men have done throughout all of human history. What I do have is a very traditional, pleasant wife from a "developing" country and I have children with her. I met her while I was working in her country.

I have to point out again for the younger guys following along that as awesome as your ideas about retiring young might sound, I believe you're still childless and single (correct me if I'm wrong). My way is best for most men.

I am in my 30s (not going to give an exact age here) and hopefully 1 year away from retirement if I don't fuck things up with my investments. And I am nothing special. I don't have an especially high IQ. I never had a super high paying job and do not possess any special skills or qualifications.

I just was fortunate to live with my parents for a long time (still doing this) to save money (I realize not everybody is this fortunate) work multiple jobs and save and invest. It also helps that I started investing very young (for example in my last year of high school I was reading books about investing such as Security Analysis and the Intelligent Investor and saving came naturally to me as early retirement was always my goal. Even as a teenager I knew I wanted to get rich to not have to work any more.

To answer your question yes I am still childless and single but once I hit early retirement I can get to work on fixing the single part by visiting (and staying in) the right countries.

 

[Australia Sucks]

You understand that in some of these countries there are guys raising families making less than one thousand euros per month right?

I think this money obsession might be procrastination a bit like the old 'I'll meet a woman as soon as I finish getting my six pack abs.'

There are guys making it happen right now. Today.

Again this has been discussed ad nauseam. In more traditional/conservative countries women apply a higher hurdle to foreign men than they do to local men. Just because a woman would marry a local man who earns 1000 Euros per month it doesn't mean that she would marry a foreigner who earns that much. In these more conservative countries often a woman's family and friends etc would judge her for marrying a foreigner but that questioning can often disappear if they see the foreigner is providing her with a much higher standard of living. There is also the whole understanding their cultural mentality and the language barrier both factors where local guys will beat you.

For example in a lot of those countries if a girl is happy to marry a local man who earns 1000 Euros per month she might put the minimum hurdle at 3000 Euros per month for a foreign man. Essentially in a conservative country at least to get the higher quality girls for marriage and long-term relationships you are basically penalized for being a foreigner so you got to be a lot more valuable than local guys to make up for it.

 

[Australia Sucks]

A couple that can spend time together enjoying the simple things in life that are free or require no or almost no money can do this and also raise a family on a low budget but if you have never had this or can't create this connection with a girl then you feel like you need 1M to compensate for it. In some countries men and women still live at home with their parents into their 30's while dating until they move in together in a serious relationship. They don't place finances at the front because almost nobody is exceptional financially in those places, the bar is low so there is no point to filter for that primarily. They look at how much they like each other and like spending time together and how compatible their social circles and families and ideas and values are. A relationship does not have to cost more money than being single and in the best cases a relationship is saving you money. ( don't take this for america i am european ).

Again same reply I gave Tippy. In a lot of these countries because of the racism factor these girls who will happily marry a broke local guy will not do the same for a foreign man. Its just a reality that you must accept as a foreigner that you need to be much higher value than local guys to get the same quality girl.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

Essentially in a conservative country at least to get the higher quality girls for marriage and long-term relationships you are basically penalized for being a foreigner so you got to be a lot more valuable than local guys to make up for it.

Dude, what are you talking about? You have all these theories about people in places in which you don't exist. It's all just made up nonsense. Relationships are not something you can plan from a distance. When one looks at the mechanics of forming good plutonic relationships they have nothing to do with the things you're describing. Good friends don't care about how much money you have or how well spoken you are or how funny you are, they like you because of your "vibe" and because your "energy" compliments theirs in some immeasurable, undefineable way. Romantic relationships go south because men don't follow the same mechanics of their plutonic relationships and instead put pussy up on a pedastal and begin to "behave differently" around women (like you're doing here with your constant pining for a young, attractive, virgin wife which truth be told is beginning to sound weak and somewhat gay).

Get out there already you big baller millionaire in his 30's who still lives with his parents... life is passing you by because you are too focused on "agnostic" products (money = virgin foreign women) instead of the natural processes of relating to women on God's terms of non-attachment (praying for a wife = God providing me with a wife if He so wills me to have one). You are too attatched to your agnostic plan, therefore the harder you reach for what you think you want, the more out of reach God will put it. Until you put God first, all your ideas and plans will continue to fail.

 

[magoo]

I have gotten out there. I have been to 8 countries (9 if you include Australia). I have tried dating in various countries and what I say is me speaking from experience. I am not arm chair hypothesizing. Have you actually tried traveling abroad and dating women in other countries?

I’ve dated women from a lot of countries. At one point I tried to have a flag in each country of europe. Almost succeeded.

The dating sample you gather from meeting skanks on the street or clubs are not representative of the actual pool of women.

Cause that’s not how you meet quality women. Quality women have social circles. And you meet them through there or work and study. Doing like Roosh did in Poland. Was retarded. Integrating by meeting girls on nightclubs.

You also have your own worth. It’s not like you need to erase yourself just to get a woman. What do you want? Living in Serbia just for woman?
Quality woman will want men with ambition.

Retirement is bullshit. You don’t want to retire. It’s boring. Some people die when they retire. Women don’t want man retired. Men always need goals and challenges. Having money allows you to choose the ones you want. Instead of being forced into you. But nothing ends with having 1M. It just starts another level.

I made good income per year. But now I have to pay attention to my kids. A lot of rich people forget about their kids and they become drug addicts, fags, etc. When they go to university I will get into the business game again. Now I’m having fun understanding how construction works. Reinforcing wood beams with the roof still on was like marines training. The trick was you break the bricks on both sides and place the beam there and the other side. One side you need to break more so that it fits. Then put an iron stick holding the beam. And hammer it to the side where it goes down. This will make the beam and the roof go up. As you hammer the iron shit that’s holding the beam. It puts pressure on the beam and goes up. They said I had to take out all the shingles. Loooll. It took me and the robot russian 2 days. After we lock the beans with cement and broken tiles to hold. I could open a company just for reinforcing of ceilings. This wood roof was started in 2019. Nowadays I will never make another wood roof. All concrete.

Get out of your parents home. Today. How can you have respect or get any Australian quality girl if when she ask where you live your answer is :”my parents”.
There’s quality everywhere. Of course in Eastern Europe women are beautiful so it’s easier. It’s like walking around in a champagne store only with cuvée. And not worthless pieces of damaged grapes. But quality is everywhere. But you need to have quality also.

I am not a Christian so I could be totally wrong about this but my understanding is that god is not a magic genie where you just ask for things and god provides them to you because you prayed for it.

My problem with Christianity is that if Christianity really is the real deal then why did god not make it obvious to all and sundry? Instead we have an estimated 4000 - 10,000 different religions in the world and with an estimated 700 deities being worshiped currently. And that is not even talking about the vast number of agnostics and atheists. If god really is the god of the Christians that they claim he is why didn't he make it indisputably clear to all? Instead the god of the Christians deliberately chose to allow humans to continue living in confusion and doubt long after Christ returned to heaven. But for what purpose?

I’m not qualified to answer this. But there are many religions. Christianity specially catholic and orthodox are the right path. The God is the same but the way to reach God is through Christianity. The right language to speak with God is Christianity. Christians are the best people on earth. From the countries you visited most of them were Christian? Why? Why do you choose christian countries? Cause they have the best values. You cannot pretend this not to be true.
By being agnostic or atheist you are destroying beautiful women. It’s a moral obligation to anyone who wants beauty in society to be Christian. Because Christianity is beautiful. It’s something people voluntarily adhere. Anti Christians are ugly. And their values turn a society to shit (look at communist architecture).
Unfortunately Jewish cesspool has been infiltrating Christian society. Cause the big noses are envious leeches. Nothing wrong with Jews. But you can’t give them too much leeway. With time their paranoid greedy neurotic nature always f everything up. They have their role(comedy, banking, etc) But not much than that. Good traits and really bad traits.

 

[aero]

Again same reply I gave Tippy. In a lot of these countries because of the racism factor these girls who will happily marry a broke local guy will not do the same for a foreign man. Its just a reality that you must accept as a foreigner that you need to be much higher value than local guys to get the same quality girl.

A lot of us are of European heritage and can't relate.

Why don't you try going to the homeland of your ethnicity or at least people you can blend in with? You'll most definitely have a better experience.

 

[Australia Sucks]

A lot of us are of European heritage and can't relate.

Why don't you try going to the homeland of your ethnicity or at least people you can blend in with? You'll most definitely have a better experience.

This is an American way of framing things. For example Germans don't really see themselves as "European" that is just incidental they see themselves as German and French likewise see themselves a French and Italians see themselves as Italian, etc

If a German guy tries to go to Italy to get Italian girls its not really going to be much easier for him to get an Italian girl than it is for an Israeli guy or an Armenian guy or a Turkish guy, etc. In many countries in Europe you are either from the girls same ethnicity or you are an outsider. There is basically no middle ground. Its not like in the U.S.A. where people see each other as lumped into groups "black", "white", "Latino" etc.

Sometimes it is even more strict than that where women add social circle or sub regional criteria on top of the ethnic criteria. For example in Australia I have a Serbian friend who moved to Australia when he was 12. He has family still in Serbia and Croatia and goes to visit both countries sometimes yet he still has trouble to get a girl in Serbia or Croatia despite speaking fluent Serbian because he didn't grow up in their social circles so he is seen as an outsider.

And I have a North Macedonian friend in Australia who moved to Australia as a child (but he speaks fluent Macedonian) and multiple times he tried to go back to North Macedonia to find a girl but he still struggled because he didn't grow up in their social circles so he is seen as an outsider. .

I remember when I was in Kosovo I met an Albanian girl living in the capital Pristina but she was originally from another another city in Kosovo. Her parents would not even allow her to marry an Albanian guy from another city it had to be a guy from the same city she was from, let alone a foreigner.

Basically in Europe you have the more liberal westernized countries where girls are open to marrying foreigners but like Anglo sphere women their standards are outrageous so for example a female 6 who is 30 years old in Germany will expect to marry a tall, rich and handsome guy. Then you have more traditional countries like Kosovo and North Macedonia where beautiful young girls will marry the most loser guys imaginable (ugly, out of shape, broke, cheats, treats her bad, etc) but he has to be the same ethnicity and religion.

My hope is that there is a 3rd group of countries which are the golden ticket where there are a decent number of high quality women who are willing to marry foreigners (and have reasonable standards). My guess is countries like Belarus, Moldova, Russia, Romania, Ukraine (when the war is over), etc might fit into this third group. But I am really waiting for the opportunity to put boots on the ground to see with my own eyes if this is actually the case or not. The anecdotal evidence I keep hearing tends to reinforce this view but I cannot truly know until I experience it for myself.

 

[Australia Sucks]

It is obvious - hence why you are mainly looking to secure women from Christian or formerly Christian countries.

I believe this to be the case although I cannot be certain for sure until I have more life experience and have visited more countries.
But for now I would say it appears to be that way.

If it wasn't real it wouldn't have real results.

Is it possible the placebo effect could play a part here?

 

[iop890]

You understand that in some of these countries there are guys raising families making less than one thousand euros per month right?

I know a guy with a wife and two kids making ~390USD per month. Reader in the church in the capital. Wife doesn't work. He owns a place atleast, as almost everyone here does, so he's not paying rent.

Anyway the factor that makes all the difference is being Christian and traditional yourself. Why would a traditional girl want to marry a foreigner? Because that girl's only hobbies are going to church, reading the lives of the saints, visiting monasteries, and doing family stuff and there aren't enough local guys matching this energy.

May sound made up but I know 3 of these girls at the church I went to back in the capital. Choir girls, attend every service, prepare the meal and clean up after each liturgy, one is an accountant but the other two paint icons for income and live with family. If I wasn't on the other side of the country I'd be going for one of them myself. Last I heard one of them was being courted by a foreign guy that's been here a year, recently baptized, trying to get some kind of online business going but totally broke right now.

You get access to that type of girl by being in the church yourself, and serious about it. Hell, that was the capital. Go to church every Sunday in a small/medium town and you may be the only young single guy doing that. Get to know the priest, go fishing or something, mention that you're looking to get married.

But of course if you're not Orthodox and serious about it those girls would make you miserable. But if you are they're ideal.

 

[Tippy]

Yes, even from an agnostic perspective this data analysis approach to life isn't the best way to go about it. The world will open up for you if you follow your own intuition. Call it God or something else if you want. Videogaming life just won't work and life will pass you by. You'll be old and think 'ok I saved all this money in my parents house, I worked out all day, where is my beautiful virgin wife?'

As a man you need to think of yourself as the hero on a journey. What hero stays at home and waits? You need to get out there and make things happen. Even failing will teach valuable lessons. Dipping toes in the water and then giving up with intellectual arguments does not count either. You need skin in the game. If one country does not work you need to analyse why and then try a different approach or another country.

There are a lot of factors why someone might fail at dating somewhere and this is why it's better not to put women as the sole aim in being somewhere. There needs to be enough going on in your life where you can be finding some fulfillment without women as a starting point. If you have that, you'll be in a better frame of mind to meet women.

The old game comparison of women to puppies might seem cruel but it can be helpful. You try to play catch and the dog runs away. What do you do, go home and write a 2,000 word essay why puppies are all evil? Nah, just do something else and try a different one or a different game.

 

[ginsu]

Last I heard one of them was being courted by a foreign guy that's been here a year

thats probably key pick one place live there, 1 or 2 years the chances of meeting a good girl are much higher than being in a place for 3 to 6 months its not enough to get established.

 

[Jeff3025]

I know a guy with a wife and two kids making ~390USD per month. Reader in the church in the capital. Wife doesn't work. He owns a place atleast, as almost everyone here does, so he's not paying rent.

Anyway the factor that makes all the difference is being Christian and traditional yourself. Why would a traditional girl want to marry a foreigner? Because that girl's only hobbies are going to church, reading the lives of the saints, visiting monasteries, and doing family stuff and there aren't enough local guys matching this energy.

May sound made up but I know 3 of these girls at the church I went to back in the capital. Choir girls, attend every service, prepare the meal and clean up after each liturgy, one is an accountant but the other two paint icons for income and live with family. If I wasn't on the other side of the country I'd be going for one of them myself. Last I heard one of them was being courted by a foreign guy that's been here a year, recently baptized, trying to get some kind of online business going but totally broke right now.

You get access to that type of girl by being in the church yourself, and serious about it. Hell, that was the capital. Go to church every Sunday in a small/medium town and you may be the only young single guy doing that. Get to know the priest, go fishing or something, mention that you're looking to get married.

But of course if you're not Orthodox and serious about it those girls would make you miserable. But if you are they're ideal.

Brilliant post. The simple, godly life can be beautiful.

“Then he said to them, ‘Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.’”
Luke 12

 

[PurpleUrkel]

Have you actually tried traveling abroad and dating women in other countries?

Yes, and I did it completely broke yet with much success. However, I am tall, above "decent" looking, and fairly talented (play guitar and sing which is always a winning skill set with women). This is changing as I ease into the later stages of life and so I can't rely on my looks the way I use to, but now I have a bit more money, a great business (that is very popular with women), and a beautiful off-grid tiny house on acerage with lots of nice things (furniture, appliances, tools, art, electronics, etc.). And so I believe that since I've built it she will come. But I do not seek "her." I've actually resigned myself to accepting my monk-mode fate. I simply pray everyday for forgiveness for my past sins and for God to make clear and to indicate to me the next step(s) I should take. At this juncture, it appears women will not be part of my future. But who knows? Stranger things have happened.

I'll pray for you to find God. You are obviously a bright and hard working "youngish" man and I do think, though a bit misguided, you are operating in good faith. May God bless you and give you a good life.

 

[Josephus]

I know a guy with a wife and two kids making ~390USD per month. Reader in the church in the capital. Wife doesn't work. He owns a place atleast, as almost everyone here does, so he's not paying rent.

Anyway the factor that makes all the difference is being Christian and traditional yourself. Why would a traditional girl want to marry a foreigner? Because that girl's only hobbies are going to church, reading the lives of the saints, visiting monasteries, and doing family stuff and there aren't enough local guys matching this energy.

May sound made up but I know 3 of these girls at the church I went to back in the capital. Choir girls, attend every service, prepare the meal and clean up after each liturgy, one is an accountant but the other two paint icons for income and live with family. If I wasn't on the other side of the country I'd be going for one of them myself. Last I heard one of them was being courted by a foreign guy that's been here a year, recently baptized, trying to get some kind of online business going but totally broke right now.

You get access to that type of girl by being in the church yourself, and serious about it. Hell, that was the capital. Go to church every Sunday in a small/medium town and you may be the only young single guy doing that. Get to know the priest, go fishing or something, mention that you're looking to get married.

But of course if you're not Orthodox and serious about it those girls would make you miserable. But if you are they're ideal.

You’re correct. Where are you located if you don’t mind me asking? Especially if the culture supports it, what you describe is absolutely possible.

The problem with this in the US is that the culture glorifies degeneracy instead of Godliness. You definitely won’t be the only guy in church, and chances are there will be way more males than females skewing the ratio.

 

[Blade Runner]

This is why I'd advise doing some research, say 20-40 hours total on a dozon different places, get a solid list of 3-5 spots to check out, save up a budget for 3-6 months total and then buy an airplane ticket. If after a month or so the place isn't working out, move on the the next one.

Good stuff. Thanks. I agree.

I agree, if you have enough to retire in your 30s or 40s and live off savings and passive income, why work more. The problem is that this will never happen for most men.

Indeed. For some, they'll be the new "explorers" - not just backpackers, who are largely broke and just crowd the places, tourist-y.

You understand that in some of these countries there are guys raising families making less than one thousand euros per month right?

They aren't foreigners though.

but if you have never had this or can't create this connection with a girl then you feel like you need 1M to compensate for it.

I don't want to say people don't naturally have this but I'm convinced now it's rare, and certainly with women you can form connection over time. If you are impressive in various ways they'll allow this to happen. But for men the boner test reigns.

I do feel that once in your 40s it would be hard to meet a decent local women without a work or similar network to bring you together for an organic attraction.

Yeah, and there are TONS of successful men, even if a minority, who just won't have a reasonable pairing or counterpart. You lose it in the west due to the age gap problems socially, with sparse connections or even other people caring over the years, and spoiling.

As a man you need to think of yourself as the hero on a journey. What hero stays at home and waits? You need to get out there and make things happen. Even failing will teach valuable lessons. Dipping toes in the water and then giving up with intellectual arguments does not count either. You need skin in the game. If one country does not work you need to analyse why and then try a different approach or another country.

I agree. Keep going, and do it wisely, with whatever is most suitable.

The problem with this in the US is that the culture glorifies degeneracy instead of Godliness. You definitely won’t be the only guy in church, and chances are there will be way more males than females skewing the ratio.

Yes, even if met some of these over the years, most of the time (some were even immigrants), sadly they were older. A few were good spirits, I think truly well directed and solid enough, but the problem was that it's hard to dive into things with older women that you're just lukewarm, at best, about. At this point the churches are a sausage fest (hate how overused that was for years but haven't heard it for a while, lol), but that's actually to the glory of God since people are waking up to the fact that there is more to life than BS materialism and propaganda. It isn't stopping them from crowding any small # of women, though, that's for sure.