Bitcoin and Crypto Thread

Energy warfare, using Bitcoin, will make kinetic warfare obsolete, in the same way tanks and maneuver warfare made defensive lines obsolete, air power made battleship navies obsolete, and nukes made bombers obsolete.
I think in general Jeff Booth and Jason Lowery are the hardest to understand because they already see where this is going - it's almost like it's too advanced for most people. Sheesh, chance and I can't even get people to admit that a trustless, permissionless network of absolutely scarce digital payments is "valuable" to other people, so going worlds beyond that is even more daunting.

Pretty funny, and pretty amazing stuff, to be honest.
 
chance, do you think the US government understands this reality, or just a small number of people within a department or two do?
 
chance, do you think the US government understands this reality, or just a small number of people within a department or two do?
I think a few understand, but keep in mind most of the people that make policy decisions are too old to really understand. Maybe a few mavericks will be able to cobble something together with or without the full understanding of general officers and high ranking govt officials.
 
Energy warfare, using Bitcoin, will make kinetic warfare obsolete, in the same way tanks and maneuver warfare made defensive lines obsolete, air power made battleship navies obsolete, and nukes made bombers obsolete.
Of all the things you've said about Bitcoin, this takes the cake as the most absurd.

I don't think you guys realize how ridiculous you come across to people outside the Bitcoin bubble. You do understand you are basically in a cult, right? All of this reading you do about Bitcoin is like people who spend decades reading nothing but Scientology literature. They believe they've stumbled upon hidden truths that the vast majority are too benighted or morally corrupt to understand, and that only they and the other chosen few will reap the rewards of their unshakable faith.

You are literally self-brainwashing into becoming true believers in a fad internet money which you think will replace all fiat currencies, take over the global financial system, revolutionize energy infrastructure, make kinetic warfare obsolete (a new one!) and generally lead mankind into some kind of golden age. Oh, and coincidentally it will make yourselves and other early adopters fabulously wealthy in the process (extremely convenient!).

It's straight up looney tunes, and the more I listen to you guys the more insane you sound. I know you two are all-in at this point and beyond help, so I only continue to post in this thread to dissuade other people from drinking as much Kool-Aid as you guys have.
 
Nikola Tesla predicted intelligent machines would replace humans in warfare.

Henry Ford proposed an energy backed currency to replace gold.
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I’m sure curved space-time seemed absurd 100 years ago to most people.
As proved by clownstrike, a few lines of code can cause billions in damage, for no cost to the attacker. How do you secure that critical resource, that is data?
 
There's literally a major war going on, as we speak, that is being won by Russia because it has a massive advantage in old fashioned kinetic weaponry.

Artillery and hypersonic missiles do not care about Bitcoin.

Also, the idea that you seem to be conflating Bitcoin with cyberwarfare is bizarre and nonsensical. These are supposed to be the same thing because they are both software? Huh? Are Quake and Excel the same thing because they're both software programs? What are you even on about at this point?
 
There's literally a major war going on, as we speak, that is being won by Russia because it has a massive advantage in old fashioned kinetic weaponry.

Artillery and hypersonic missiles do not care about Bitcoin.

Also, the idea that you seem to be conflating Bitcoin with cyberwarfare is bizarre and nonsensical. These are supposed to be the same thing because they are both software? Huh? Are Quake and Excel the same thing because they're both software programs? What are you even on about at this point?

@GoodShepherd asked about Bitcoin use in warfare, I gave the best answer I have.

Cyberwarfare of today is very asymmetrical: the attacker has a huge advantage, because attacking is nearly cost-less, but the defender could suffer serious damage.

How does the defender impose a severe cost on the attacker? Computational proof-of-work, invented by Hal Finney to impose a severe cost on email spammers, is what secures Bitcoin.

Proof-of-work can be directly used to secure data systems…but an easier, more efficient way is to use Bitcoin itself, as a proxy for proof-of-work. For example: to remote in to a sensitive system - require a signature from a Bitcoin wallet you control. Even better, require a transaction to a specific wallet for actual Bitcoin. The cost to the defender is a Bitcoin transaction fee. The cost to the attacker would be a certain amount of Bitcoin, presumably a large amount - perhaps an amount so large that the attacker cannot possibly have so much. The nation with a larger bitcoin reserve could make such an attack so costly as to be impossible.

I suggest reading the book, if you are curious enough. I would like your take on it after reading it, but I truly understand if you think it’s a waste of time.

Data is highly mobile and distributable. Just as industry supplanted agriculture in strategic importance, energy and data will supplant industry. A large scale kinetic war, with the objective of securing extra farmland (ancient), or an industrial base with tax slaves (modern war), will give way to a different type of war.
 
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It's straight up looney tunes, and the more I listen to you guys the more insane you sound. I know you two are all-in at this point and beyond help, so I only continue to post in this thread to dissuade other people from drinking as much Kool-Aid as you guys have.
I hope you stick around to still keep giving the incredulous objections, because it's informative for the others who are also interested and have similar questions. I theorize that you lack imagination on the topic for various reasons, the foremost being age: not only do you think that it won't be useful for you, you also believe (incorrectly) that it's too late. So what we have is sour grapes and emotions that ironically desire it to do what you want it to do (go to zero) which is what you accuse us of doing. I find that extraordinarily amusing.

The best part of it is that it's quite clearly not going to zero, it just keeps getting more important with its larger network, security, adoption, etc. That is happening all the while fiat is increasing its debasement exponentially, which should be another clue that it's only going to increase in use and popularity.
I’m sure curved space-time seemed absurd 100 years ago to most people.
While there is no proof using the past that specifically BTC will do what we claim it will, due to other things being unconscionable for past humans or civilizations, it would be silly to think that something that many people didn't see coming or was thought impossible would happen. That's literally the history of humanity. It happens over and over again.
They believe they've stumbled upon hidden truths that the vast majority are too benighted or morally corrupt to understand, and that only they and the other chosen few will reap the rewards of their unshakable faith.
These truths you talk about aren't hidden. We have uncovered them for you to see, but you refuse to see them. They aren't hidden at all. We can only theorize, as above, as to why you refuse to see them. In addition, by definition if you don't see something that is valuable for what it is, of course you won't "reap the rewards" from it. The fact is that you can still do so if you take the plank from your eye.

One more thing, which you can answer if you so please, would be something that I ask every once in a while on the internet when I engage with BTC doubters/haters. If you aren't in it, or shorting it, why do you care to opine? You know, the money where your mouth is or skin in the game phenomenon. It's very strange to me that people who aren't invested in something in one way or another think their opinions, or possibly even others, matters. The only reason I can find for this might be angst that one missed out or that somehow a type of the status quo is threatened, which is interestingly a characteristic that fits with the State-God complex you have.
A large scale kinetic war, with the objective of securing extra farmland (ancient), or an industrial base with tax slaves (modern war), will give way to a different type of war.
As you said previously, war has always changed. And you are correct, it will again. Neither chance vought nor I am claiming when this will take place, but it's clear to me that eventually this will also happen. The reason the naysayers can't see this is that it's required that you already understand the idea that the best money ever has been discovered, that it always replaces the bad money, and then the final and most amazing thing is realized: fiat is the main reason why wars take place at all. It's not all that crazy or complex to see once you realize the link between money and virtue, or money and abuse.
 
What's your take on the power law? I'm convinced it'll be a good guide for the future. If it were to get disrupted, I think it would be to the upside, which of course is a good thing. As it stands I bet it'll be quite good as a predictor, but am guessing that it's best seen as a support level arc/asymptote.
It seems to be the most convincing model. We shall see how it plays out this run!
 
fiat is the main reason why wars take place at all. It's not all that crazy or complex to see once you realize the link between money and virtue, or money and abuse.
Wars took place long before fiat was invented. Wars have been occurring since the start of civilization. That is the nature of humans. Would there be fewer wars without fiat because they would be harder to fund? That is certainly possible.
 
Wars took place long before fiat was invented. Wars have been occurring since the start of civilization. That is the nature of humans. Would there be fewer wars without fiat because they would be harder to fund? That is certainly possible.
Yes, I'd just ask that people pay attention to words used, as in my statement before. This happens occasionally, and I expect a lot from people here, so that's why I'm saying this. My statement said that it was the main reason, which is accurate, since the scale of wars in modernity, which is when we live, is significant due to fiat and/or banking (which also debased currency and promoted war or their banking trade). You are correct though, war won't go away entirely; at a minimum forms of war or violence won't, I agree.
 
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@GoodShepherd asked about Bitcoin use in warfare, I gave the best answer I have.

Cyberwarfare of today is very asymmetrical: the attacker has a huge advantage, because attacking is nearly cost-less, but the defender could suffer serious damage.

How does the defender impose a severe cost on the attacker? Computational proof-of-work, invented by Hal Finney to impose a severe cost on email spammers, is what secures Bitcoin.

Proof-of-work can be directly used to secure data systems…but an easier, more efficient way is to use Bitcoin itself, as a proxy for proof-of-work. For example: to remote in to a sensitive system - require a signature from a Bitcoin wallet you control. Even better, require a transaction to a specific wallet for actual Bitcoin. The cost to the defender is a Bitcoin transaction fee. The cost to the attacker would be a certain amount of Bitcoin, presumably a large amount - perhaps an amount so large that the attacker cannot possibly have so much. The nation with a larger bitcoin reserve could make such an attack so costly as to be impossible.

I suggest reading the book, if you are curious enough. I would like your take on it after reading it, but I truly understand if you think it’s a waste of time.

Data is highly mobile and distributable. Just as industry supplanted agriculture in strategic importance, energy and data will supplant industry. A large scale kinetic war, with the objective of securing extra farmland (ancient), or an industrial base with tax slaves (modern war), will give way to a different type of war.
I also see nations fighting each other through the internet and social media, China banning US social media, US wanting to ban Chinese Tik Tok and their cellphones, China banning bitcoin, certain websites being blocked
 
I also see nations fighting each other through the internet and social media, China banning US social media, US wanting to ban Chinese Tik Tok and their cellphones, China banning bitcoin, certain websites being blocked
Which is ineffective and will ultimately fail. You can’t ban the internet. What you can do is increase the cost so that China’s 50 cent army costs a lot more than 50c. Instead of algorithmic “engagement”, engagement costs real money - sats on the lightning network -

Now it doesn’t matter if you have warehouses of slaves posting nonsense…what matters is do they get engagement from people using real money with no algo. This is currently in its nascent form on a new communications protocol called NOSTR. Similar to email, it is a protocol, not a single platform. Any comparable program can communicate using the protocol, and you actually own your identity by public/private keypair. Also money can be frictionlessly transmitted peer to peer and crossborder using the protocol and Bitcoin lightning network.

It’s a distributed network with many nodes, making censorship impossible.
Also, you get 100% of the profit from your engagement. If you have 100k followers, and everyone on average gives you 1cent per day, that’s an income of $1000 per day if my math is right. I routinely zap 5c dozens of times, and a few times $1 or $5 for a personal response, like a recipe or something.

Another peer to peer protocol, with less of a social media bent, is Keet and the Pear stack. These are new technologies that will enable the peer to peer internet this decade, and remove much of it from the clutches of big tech and government.
 

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Which is ineffective and will ultimately fail. You can’t ban the internet. What you can do is increase the cost so that China’s 50 cent army costs a lot more than 50c. Instead of algorithmic “engagement”, engagement costs real money - sats on the lightning network -

Now it doesn’t matter if you have warehouses of slaves posting nonsense…what matters is do they get engagement from people using real money with no algo. This is currently in its nascent form on a new communications protocol called NOSTR. Similar to email, it is a protocol, not a single platform. Any comparable program can communicate using the protocol, and you actually own your identity by public/private keypair. Also money can be frictionlessly transmitted peer to peer and crossborder using the protocol and Bitcoin lightning network.

It’s a distributed network with many nodes, making censorship impossible.
Also, you get 100% of the profit from your engagement. If you have 100k followers, and everyone on average gives you 1cent per day, that’s an income of $1000 per day if my math is right. I routinely zap 5c dozens of times, and a few times $1 or $5 for a personal response, like a recipe or something.

Another peer to peer protocol, with less of a social media bent, is Keet and the Pear stack. These are new technologies that will enable the peer to peer internet this decade, and remove much of it from the clutches of big tech and government.
I saw a photo once in China, huge multiple shelves all connected with cellphones, hundreds, and there was a lady manually operating all of them probably to create likes and follows on social media, china has many phones and maybe they doing stuff like this haha
 
I saw a photo once in China, huge multiple shelves all connected with cellphones, hundreds, and there was a lady manually operating all of them probably to create likes and follows on social media, china has many phones and maybe they doing stuff like this haha
With NOSTR, a "like" means almost nothing, zaps mean much more, if it's 1 cent or 1/10 cent (the most common zap is 21 satoshis about 1/5 cent)
Virtually costless to an individual , but extremely expensive to a 50c army.
If you want you can curate your replys to only show zaps...if you are famous like Jack Dorsey or Jeff Booth (both on NOSTR)
 
 
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