The China Thread

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Tina is from China and she has engines.

 

[Cooper]

The stolen technology isn't what is impressive. It is both how efficiently and quickly they can scale it up, because they put their resources into improving their country and we put our resources into baby sitting third worlders and erasing White people from existence.

It's not just dilution from the third world, it's also from the inner rot of late stage capitalism, regulatory capture and revolving doors at the MIC:



The Chinese will reportedly be building gliding hypersonic missiles that normally cost several millions apiece for the price of a Ford Raptor truck:

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

The video below is another one of serpentza's bangers, about three years old and one of his most viewed uploads. Vibe is comparable to 'dimwit American walks in state of the art Shenzhen hospital and gets same day specialist treatment for 4 USD' video.

Video is about a paid off foreign influencer repeating CCP propaganda on Xinjiang.

At that time there was a lot of back and forth arguing about Xinjiang mass internment, the labor camps and political crackdown in general. In the wake of string of rather serious Muslim attacks and riots the CCP had started repressing non state approved Islam and had built a series of mass internment facilities in Xinjiang to detain those it accused of wrongthink. The CCP always maintained these were 'vocational education and employment training centers with a view to assist in their rehabilitation'. According to the Chinese themselves at least 1.28 million Xinjiang people of whatever ethnicity went through 're-educational courses' in these camps over the years.

In much of the rest of the world these camps were considered forced labor and concentration camps. The detained were judicially outside the law/penal system and were often kept detained indefinitely on administrative charges and without legal process. Some even spoke of a (cultural) genocide as the Chinese forcefully tried to stifle Islam based political dissent and communitize/Sinicize the region by force.

In those years too the CCP sent a small army of compromised foreign influencers to Xinjiang to walk around tourist attractions and show the world how all was well. Serpentza back then made this absolute banger in which he dissected this sloppy paid off foreign CCP shill.

The influencer literally got followed by his handlers/minders throughout his entire Xinjiang trip, and he accidentally filmed his handlers at least 15 times. Whole thing was staged from A to Z.

New banger from serpentza and laowhy86, this time on the CCP lies surrounding the Uyghur Question. Xinjiang has been on and off in the news for years, mostly due to the brutal crackdown launched by the CCP in 2014 which came after a period of jihadist violence. This Chang crackdown included arbitrarily detaining up till two million Turkic muslims on random charges related to 'radicalization', forcibly separating children from their parents, disappearing local opponents of the commie regime, building up the largest and most profound surveillance state ever seen, closing places of worship en masse, and literally re-writing Islamic scripture. The latter two have happened with China's Christian community as well, all of this is described to a T in the Xinjiang Police Files.

Some very important details, the Turkic detainees are held without any charges and/or court cases. Ergo why Chang genocide-laundrers speak of voluntary re-education facilities instead of detainment camps. Chinese spooks simply pick the unlucky fellas up based on data analytics and first/second hand intel, detain them, forcefully 're-educate' them and then release them when deemed appropriate. Many of these inmates are held without trial for years and have to perform forced labor when in prison.



As serpentza emphasizes, the CCP simps always rebuke accusations by play-pretensing false confidence aka asking any sceptics 'to come and see for themself'. This is obviously cheap gaslighting, you're supposed not to come and the dozens of prison camps in the middle of the desert are off-limit anyway. This then gets doublewhammed by parading several paid Westoid propagandists going on scripted trips to Xinjiang to show how normal everything is. Quoted post above links one of those videos, the sell-out is accompanied the entire trip by a handler to make sure the right lines get drummed up.

Yet this time something went wrong, a Subcontinental vlogger traveled to Xinjiang to 'see for himself'. This man's also a Muslim hence in need for a place of worship. During his trip he went looking for a mosque in service and couldn't find one. All Uyghur mosques have been closed down and those that haven't are turned into tourist attractions with no Islamic services offered. According to the man the only mosques still in use are Hui mosques, which are under increasingly tight surveillance too bytheway.

Yet another CCP lie down the drain, signs of heavy Uyghur persecution are everywhere in Xinjiang. For those who don't really care about Muslims getting trampled, it obviously isn't much better for the Christian minority in China. This is especially due to the Chinese regime considering Christianity as a vessel for foreign influence, even more so than Islam.

Grim.

 

[Cooper]

This video from serpentza explains some details about the lack of trust in China. Some of it I've gone over before, including the medical system, and here it is again. He also talks about the mandatory bribes you have to give before surgery, the hong bao (red packet) and that his Chinese wife, who was a doctor in Shenzhen, had to give a hong bao to her colleague before surgery, which would have been during the same years that I was there (2005-2018).



I went on youtube and looked for some vids from Americans who are happy in China and I found one. It's not directly supporting the high trust society theme, but this is a well-adjusted American who speaks Mandarin well, has a Chinese wife, and has lived there for 16 years. Listening to him, you're going to hear a lot of the best things about China that he has experienced, and he's also in Guangzhou in this video, where I used to live.

He says the Chinese are very pro-active about work and he also mentions the drinking culture, which was something bothered me a lot. He doesn't harp on it, but he did say one of his Hong Kong friends had a brother who died from alcohol overdose during a Chinese business dinner. It was that kind of insanity when drinking that turned me off.

He gives some details about his monthly budget at 18:30 including rents in different parts of the Guangzhou metropolitan area. Says he pays $300 USD for a small place waaay out in the boonies near the airport in Huadu, $1000 USD in Baiyun district on the north side of town, and $2,000 USD, and those are the prices he gives for a "small place", which I assume is 2 bedroom around 70-80 sq. meters, but he didn't specify. There are too many variables for me to know, from the little information, if the prices have changed.

Serpentza serves low-IQ anti-China slop that consists of dubious anecdotal evidence and collages of outdated, cherrypicked footage that he uses to reinforce sinophobe biases to the low-info anti-China crowd.

He is not a serious source, any source covering China that never acknowledges the good parts of Chinese growth and development over the last several decades is just part of the billion dollar plus astroturfed glowie media network.

Here is an example of a more serious take on China. These two American industry analysts are not China cheerleaders, they actually view China as a threat to the West and the US, and this video is intended as a warning and a base to better understand China in order to better compete with them :



That is the kind of realistic and analytical take that a serious observer should favor, not the slop served by the likes of Serpentza or other similar professional propagandists with low professional qualifications.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

He is not a serious source, any source covering China that never acknowledges the good parts of Chinese growth and development over the last several decades is just part of the billion dollar plus astroturfed glowie media network.

I watched their videos when we were living there at the same time in next-door cities of Guangdong: Guangzhou - Huizhou - Shenzhen. Serpentza spent 13 years and Laowhy86 10 years as China cheerleaders while producing it's-fun-and-cool-to-live-in-China content that often emphasized the growth, opportunities and improvement, but they also never shied away from criticism.

They promoted local and foreign youtubers and did public events touting the good stuff in China. They both married Chinese women and have children with them. They made videos about why they left and why their stance on China has changed.

To disagree is one thing, but you're accusing them without evidence or even specific counter-points to what they're saying.

And again, you're simply wrong that they never acknowledge the good parts of China. Go back and look at their vids when they lived there.

They created thousands of hours of content about the good things in China, including two motorcycle travel documentaries, one for North China and one for South China, which I highly recommend to anyone curious about life outside Chinese cities.

 

[Cooper]

This video from serpentza explains some details about the lack of trust in China.

Sepentza is pushing talking points that make no sense whatsoever, like China being a low-trust society today, in a country where the honor code has been the basis for unsupervised parcel deliveries, where rows of mopeds are parked with their keys left in the ignition and where women walk alone downtown late at night with no fear. The equivalent of this just doesn't exist in any western country today, with the exception of small remote rural areas in a handful of countries like Switzerland or Norway.

Chinese American vlogger Carl Zha, Caltech grad who moved to SoCal after high school but still travels there regularly attributes the change towards high trust in China starting from the 2010s to the increase in the wealth levels among the populace. Another explanation I have heard is that there is a sense of joint national purpose with the average Chinese citizen feeling proud of their country developing and becoming a world leader.



Surveillance and policing certainly are factors as well, but more so in the earlier stages of their society having become high trust. In Singapore for example, it took strict police enforcement early on back in the 1970s to force people not to litter or spit, but once those habits became ingrained in society, with the younger generations growing up in more sane and evolved environments, the need for enforcement was not as vital.

Good thread discussing the evolution of Chinese society the last several decades:

 

[Cooper]

I watched their videos when we were living there at the same time in next-door cities of Guangdong: Guangzhou - Huizhou - Shenzhen. Serpentza spent 13 years and Laowhy86 10 years as China cheerleaders while producing it's-fun-and-cool-to-live-in-China content that often emphasized the growth, opportunities and improvement, but they also never shied away from criticism.

They promoted local and foreign youtubers and did public events touting the good stuff in China. They both married Chinese women and have children with them. They made videos about why they left and why their stance on China has changed.

To disagree is one thing, but you're accusing them without evidence or even specific counter-points to what they're saying.

And again, you're simply wrong that they never acknowledge the good parts of China. Go back and look at their vids when they lived there.

They created thousands of hours of content about the good things in China, including two motorcycle travel documentaries, one for North China and one for South China, which I highly recommend to anyone curious about life outside Chinese cities.

Here's the deal, when they lived there 10-20 years ago things were significantly worse than they are today. The average salary of a worker in main Chinese cities has risen many times over since they were there:

People ask me often: how are Chinese people doing economically? Putting aside less useful metrics, this is the answer. Disposable income per capita is increasing at the same rate as it has for a decade+.Inflation is low, unemployment if 5.3%, most people own their own homes with no mortgage, and the government let the hot air out of the real estate markert. Combine that with increased life-spans, near universal healthcare, low costs of higher education, no student loans, extremely low homelessness, and a lower gini-coefficient than the US, I'd say Chinese people are flying high.

So if they had some nice things to say about China 15 years ago, why don't they do even more of that today, given that the situation in China is significantly better today than when they lived there ??

The truth is, their content is a one-note negative commentary on every aspect of Chinese society. This as you know has been a lucrative position for them, they've hit the jackpot, so I can understand.

The other thing is that these two guys have zero professional qualifications, they were just ESL teachers and vloggers, there is no depth or seriousness about any of their takes.

The irony as well is that they come from Upstate NY and S. Africa, two places that have significantly deteriorated and are plagued with economic and social decline, yet they are critical of China, which has been objectively improving over the last few decades, talk about glass houses...

 

[Cooper]

New banger from serpentza and laowhy86, this time on the CCP lies surrounding the Uyghur Question. Xinjiang has been on and off in the news for years, mostly due to the brutal crackdown launched by the CCP in 2014 which came after a period of jihadist violence. This Chang crackdown included arbitrarily detaining up till two million Turkic muslims on random charges related to 'radicalization', forcibly separating children from their parents, disappearing local opponents of the commie regime, building up the largest and most profound surveillance state ever seen, closing places of worship en masse, and literally re-writing Islamic scripture. The latter two have happened with China's Christian community as well, all of this is described to a T in the Xinjiang Police Files.

Some very important details, the Turkic detainees are held without any charges and/or court cases. Ergo why Chang genocide-laundrers speak of voluntary re-education facilities instead of detainment camps. Chinese spooks simply pick the unlucky fellas up based on data analytics and first/second hand intel, detain them, forcefully 're-educate' them and then release them when deemed appropriate. Many of these inmates are held without trial for years and have to perform forced labor when in prison.

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As serpentza emphasizes, the CCP simps always rebuke accusations by play-pretensing false confidence aka asking any sceptics 'to come and see for themself'. This is obviously cheap gaslighting, you're supposed not to come and the dozens of prison camps in the middle of the desert are off-limit anyway. This then gets doublewhammed by parading several paid Westoid propagandists going on scripted trips to Xinjiang to show how normal everything is. Quoted post above links one of those videos, the sell-out is accompanied the entire trip by a handler to make sure the right lines get drummed up.

Yet this time something went wrong, a Subcontinental vlogger traveled to Xinjiang to 'see for himself'. This man's also a Muslim hence in need for a place of worship. During his trip he went looking for a mosque in service and couldn't find one. All Uyghur mosques have been closed down and those that haven't are turned into tourist attractions with no Islamic services offered. According to the man the only mosques still in use are Hui mosques, which are under increasingly tight surveillance too bytheway.

Yet another CCP lie down the drain, signs of heavy Uyghur persecution are everywhere in Xinjiang. For those who don't really care about Muslims getting trampled, it obviously isn't much better for the Christian minority in China. This is especially due to the Chinese regime considering Christianity as a vessel for foreign influence, even more so than Islam.

Grim.

It's kind of funny how Serpentza and LaNegra, types who hate Muslims and also hate the Chinese even more, somehow seem to LOVE Chinese Muslims, and try to pass as genuinely concerned about their fate...

If anything, the Chinese have been doing the right thing with their Muslims, shutting down foreign jihadi influence, forcing those among them who have adopted extremist islamic ideologies to go into vocational training. The reason they do that is that most terrorists tend to be failed or underemployed "gopnik" or stray cat types in search of a cause or source of income.

Countries like France, UK or Germany should learn and apply firm but practical Chinese methods to counteract foreign jihadi influence over their Muslim population.

This being said, the usual narrative of Uyghur oppression in China is completely bogus, like the notion of millions being interned in concentration camps and so forth like the stuff below or the propaganda posted above by is very similar to the anti-Russian discourse about Ukrainians being tortured, massacred in Bucha and everywhere by the Russian army and their children stolen - complete BS.

 

[expectation]

[Mod edit: Post split. Off-topic part regarding tensions between China and Japan moved to the IndoPac thread.]

300 million tourist visitors to Xinjiang and still nothing comparable to Gaza. Just a 15 year old photo and silly wordcel games. Meanwhile, This Virginian had her wedding ceremony in Xinjiang to marry a Uyghur just this year.

She will be one of the few American Gen Z to not worry about rent and all she had to do was marry a Chinese citizen!

Look how much happiness they get to experience without being worried about their Wedding Venue being bombed by Jews while doing their vows. Sounds like a win for humanity and love.

Tourism to Xinjiang booms as China gives the region a makeover

China has repackaged Xinjiang into a tourist haven, touting "ethnic" experiences that activists say it's trying to erase.

www.bbc.com

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Coop, I appreciate all the links and the detailed posts that you've provided. I'm making a detailed answer and arguing that you're making some mistakes in your take on Serpentza in particular and perhaps in regards to China critics in general. I think you're imputing motives to them—and sometimes me—when the critics are sincere and have a basis for what they say.

In the areas of food and package delivery that you've highlighted, I do see much higher trust now than 2018/19 when Serpentza, Laowhy86, and also I left China. Is China an overall high trust society? I don't think that follows, but it's a good topic for discussion.

Sepentza is pushing talking points that make no sense whatsoever, like China being a low-trust society today, in a country where the honor code has been the basis for unsupervised parcel deliveries, where rows of mopeds are parked with their keys left in the ignition and where women walk alone downtown late at night with no fear.

The clips on twitter have a white girl, most likely a foreign university student, marveling at unattended food deliveries outside the gates of her school. This food drop-off began with Covid out of fear because, across the world, they lied to us and said the virus could be transferred to humans through objects. That said, there is obviously a level of trust here that is good and also efficient for the delivery bike drivers.

Chinese American vlogger Carl Zha, Caltech grad who moved to SoCal after high school but still travels there regularly attributes the change towards high trust in China starting from the 2010s to the increase in the wealth levels among the populace. Another explanation I have heard is that there is a sense of joint national purpose with the average Chinese citizen feeling proud of their country developing and becoming a world leader.

In Guangzhou, which was very widely known in China as the worst large city, especially for crime, I noticed that street crime decreased beginning in 2010 in preparation for the Asian Games being held in that city. The police put notices in the paper that any crimes against foreigners would be punished by 10 year jail sentences. I noticed in 2011 that pickpockets were less common.

Surveillance and policing certainly are factors as well, but more so in the earlier stages of their society having become high trust.

In Carl Zha's video, he mentions the automated traffic tickets, which is part of the extreme surveillance in Chinese society. The cameras there are connected to a system that automatically took 3000 RMB (10 years ago, which was at least half a month's salary for people with good jobs) from your account if your car touched the white line, regardless of the circumstances.

In China, the government is incapable of proper driver training, so they do this, which is effective to a large extent, but still leaves you with a lot of completely incompetent drivers.

Serpentza made a video about this 9 years ago and how it had been turned into a scam that cost him. TL;DR another car forced Serpentza to touch the white line and received 50 RMB for then turning him in.



All of the things that you're mentioning about high trust do not come from an honor code, but from extreme surveillance and automated enforcement. Here's an example of where this has taken them: using computer surveillance in classrooms to force young students to pay attention. How do you think this will affect their character and personality long term?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7634705/Chinese-school-makes-pupils-wear-brain-scanning-headbands-class-ensure-pay-attention.html

Pay attention at the back: school uses facial scans to monitor pupils

Pupil tells reporters he doesn’t dare let his mind wander after technology is installed in classroom to see who is paying attention

www.scmp.com

Chinese school uses facial recognition to make kids pay attention

Civilian surveillance in China has seen a boom in recent times, with facial recognition leading the charge in the technologies used to keep tabs on the population. Police are scanning travelers with facial recognition glasses, authorities are using the tech to monitor ethnic minorities -- now...

www.engadget.com

I do not not know if this became widespread in classrooms, but the automated enforcement of Covid protocols did and continues to this day where your Covid app has to be green 100% 24/7 365 and any time it changes you must report immediately for a test or to the police for quarantine.

Here's the deal, when they lived there 10-20 years ago things were significantly worse than they are today. The average salary of a worker in main Chinese cities has risen many times over since they were there:

So if they had some nice things to say about China 15 years ago, why don't they do even more of that today, given that the situation in China is significantly better today than when they lived there ??

To me, these guys were in the same part of China for the same amount of time and reached the same conclusions that I did, and believed living in China was an unacceptable threat to the safety of their children, which shapes their viewpoint today.

The truth is, their content is a one-note negative commentary on every aspect of Chinese society. This as you know has been a lucrative position for them, they've hit the jackpot, so I can understand.

They could also make money being pro-China, so I don't think that is a good argument to impugn their motives.

The other things is that these two guys have zero professional qualifications, they were just ESL teachers and vloggers, there is no depth or seriousness about any of their takes.

So now you have to be a credentialist to know China? What kind of degree did Marco Polo have? lol

Okay, so then you accept Dikkotier because he is a Ph. D.? Of course you don't! Serpentza and Laowhy86 have higher credentials in their bachelors degrees than most Chinese academics, whose degrees are either fake or worthless pieces of paper.

You have to spend some time in Chinese universities to even begin to believe how poor they are. One time a professor at the fourth largest uni in Guangzhou, the third largest city in China, wanted to interview me for his Ph D thesis. His English was perfect, but his thesis was written on a used and wrinkled cocktail napkin, including the statistics that were scribbled in English on a simple spreadsheet.

His thesis was an interview to test if foreigners could count how many words were in a short sentence of eight words he would utter and then ask the foreigner to tell him how many words were in the sentence and this is probably just a 6/10 for weirdness from Chinese professors. And for the record, I miscounted just to make him happy because Chinese men love it any time they can "catch" a foreigner not understanding something Chinese related. According to his wrinkled cocktail napkin, he had already interviewed about 15 other round eyes.

The irony as well is that they come from Upstate NY and S. Africa, two places that have significantly deteriorated and are plagued with economic and social decline, yet they are critical of China, which has been objectively improving over the last few decades, talk about glass houses...

Similar to arbitrary credential standards, now you're setting up a barrier to entry for criticizing China if your own home town is not perfect.

You don't even know in which town Laowhy86 lives or what the conditions there are, so are you saying no one from New York can criticize China? Can New Yorkers laud China?

Serpentza has made videos about the problems in South Africa, which is why he left there and moved to China, which he has talked about many times. According to your rationale, he can never qualify to criticize anywhere he's lived because S.A. has problems. You're over-reaching.

Here is a video that I posted recently about Serpentza's specific claims regarding the lack of trust in Chinese society.

China Is a Zero-Trust Society — and This Explains Everything



16 seconds: a fall down scammer who makes bystanders afraid to get involved, thereby decreasing social trust.

3 min and 30 sec: food adulteration in China: There are endless examples of this.

4 minutes: a woman who tries to help an old man across the street is punched because he assumes that she is a scammer.

4 minutes and 15 seconds: China's trust comes from high tech surveillance, not an honor code. You can't use the Internet in China without your activity being monitored and tied to your digital ID.

5 minutes: He says that if something is stolen from you the police will not use the surveillance footage to help you or to solve the crime. I knew several people who also had this experience.

5 minutes and 20 seconds: Public shaming, humiliation and fear is used for control, not high trust, where students, workers, or people on the street have their names and addresses published by the police.

5 min 45 seconds: The police are not trusted because of corruption and unfair treatment. In my experience and everyone I knew, the Guangzhou police were not trusted at all. If you report a crime to them, they will find a way to make you suffer or punish you by wasting your time or threatening you and will never take action on your behalf if you're not a party member or connected somehow.

6 minutes and 30 seconds: No one trusts doctors. I saw this myself all the years I was there, although it is improving. Chinese doctors and hospitals in general are not trustworthy. For example, like Serpentza, I taught English to doctors at a training hospital. One day my boss's son got sick and even though it was not too serious, just a mild fever, he took him far across town to the only well-known trustworthy hospital.

Chinese people mistrusted their hospitals so much that I found foreigners were the best source of information on where to go because we were willing to try and find good ones, while the locals were too pessimistic and just went to the closest one and hoped not to die. See this short video from a Brit who came to Guangzhou during the years I lived there. He'd been living in Taiwan, but was on a trip to the mainland. I have heard and read countless stories like his about doctors in China, although, like I've said, medical care in China improved a lot during the years I was there.



8 minutes and 50 seconds: A scammer who pretends to be hit by a car is caught on a dashcam, which you said in a previous post would have eradicated this scam, but the time stamp is 2025.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

It seemed fate was against me the night I found a really interesting and quiet café and met some old and new friends there. We were having a nice chat, first time in ages, when two young Cantonese came inside. We were on the second floor, but I could hear them enter the ground floor because their voices were impossibly loud. They came upstairs and began to play cards. We couldn't hear each other talk no matter how we tried. It was surreal.



Nong 农 is a slang term for a rural Chinese, like hick or redneck, but in China it just means a regular guy who didn't go to college.

 

[magoo]

China a high trust society? What is this yellow shit? Cooper you are manipulating and misleading the people who read this place. Either you are paid. Even though I don´t think a small internet forum deserves such honours. Or you are a second or third generation chinese in the west. Probably mixed. Being this last option what I consider most credible. Since you are quite intelligent when dealing with western failures. But not so much when talking about yellows failures. You are minimum bias. I dont want to call you a liar. But you are lying. And you know it.

China has cameras everywhere and a brutal social credit score system. That´s the only way they can keep those savages in check. Tell me this is false. Why does such a high trust society needs webcams everywhere and social credit systems?

Chinese not only are unmanageable but they´re social system inspired in communistic atheism vomit and lack of humanitarian values is a menace to the world.

Chinese work. That´s it. They work like dogs. They have a work ethic which doesnt exist anywhere else. If you want to praise yellows praise their unmatched work ethic.

China is an open air prison. But chinese are very hard working people and their elite is smart. Really smart. They are basic. While US is destroying anyone in the west who they believe threatens them. Europe included. And have an arrogance and hubris totally misplaced. The chinese will prop up the people US stupidly destroys and make them allies. US is a drunk erratic elephant. Subdued to jewish retardness. Relying in military superiority which is a failed strategy. As the romans and every empire found out. Economy sooner or later will overcome it. And chinese economy is brutal. China is the true competitor of USA. And US is losing. The time when US would detonate an economy to buy it cheap and letter resell it´s over. When US detonates an economy they just lose an ally to chinese. This method of shake down is gone. But american elite keeps insisting on it. Letting chinese occupy space.

 

[Cooper]

China a high trust society? What is this yellow shit? Cooper you are manipulating and misleading the people who read this place. Either you are paid. Even though I don´t think a small internet forum deserves such honours. Or you are a second or third generation chinese in the west. Probably mixed. Being this last option what I consider most credible. Since you are quite intelligent when dealing with western failures. But not so much when talking about yellows failures. You are minimum bias. I dont want to call you a liar. But you are lying. And you know it.

The parcel delivery system based on the honor system and the lack of bike/moped thefts prove me right on this subject. No chance in hell that such a system could work in any major city in the West.

I am not sure about their social credit system, some say it is just a system similar to the credit rating system meant to enforce loan delinquency, others along your lines say it's dystopia on steroids.

The yellows (at least in China) are not failing much these days, we could learn something from them, see the video above with the two industry analysts.

China has cameras everywhere and a brutal social credit score system. That´s the only way they can keep those savages in check. Tell me this is false. Why does such a high trust society needs webcams everywhere and social credit systems?

You're right in that the abundance of surveillance cameras reduced things like petty crimes and theft there. But the question is, how come it hasn't in countries like the UK that have a similar density of surveillance cameras?

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

You're right in that the abundance of surveillance cameras reduced things like petty crimes and theft there. But the question is, how come it hasn't in countries like the UK that have a similar density of surveillance cameras?

Because the communist Chinese are absolutely brutal in their enforcement going back to the 1930's and they murdered millions over the decades to that end. They have been tuning their control system and recent applications were violent transformations of Tibet and Xinjiang, which was the testbed for their current digital control grid that went live during Covid.

The surveillance enforcement is often automatically executed by the great algorithm in the sky. Money is deducted when there is an infraction, which has become the primary way of managing Chinese in their factory and other jobs during the past 45 years of globalization. It's "invisible" non-violent enforcement that has proven effective and preferable to beatings or even incarceration.

There is nothing comparable to this in the UK, which uses its control grid to unequally punish and reward different ethnic groups as part of their current transformation into a multicultural society, whereas China already did this in order to establish an ethnically homogenous society.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Countries like France, UK or Germany should learn and apply firm but practical Chinese methods to counteract foreign jihadi influence over their Muslim population.

In recent history, the summer of 2009 when I lived in Southeast China, there were local protests by Uyghur Muslims because they were being displaced by Han Chinese, who were sponsored by the CCP to move to Xinjiang (far West China) in numbers that were overwhelming the local culture.

The CCP was exerting more control over their religious practices and establishing a two-tier social system with a much greater surveillance and compliance burden on the Uyghurs.

Riots broke out following conflicts among the two groups and at a bare minimum 1000 Uyghurs were shot down in the streets while the entire province was completely locked down. No one could enter or exit, no Internet and no international phone calls were allowed.

The top man who brutalized the Tibetans into submission was brought to Xinjiang, which was made into an open air prison for Uyghurs.

This is your "firm but practical." These are the methods the CCP uses to create a "high trust" society.

 

[magoo]

The parcel delivery system based on the honor system and the lack of bike/moped thefts prove me right on this subject. No chance in hell that such a system could work in any major city in the West.

I am not sure about their social credit system, some say it is just a system similar to the credit rating system meant to enforce loan delinquency, others along your lines say it's dystopia on steroids.

The yellows (at least in China) are not failing much these days, we could learn something from them, see the video above with the two industry analysts.




You're right in that the abundance of surveillance cameras reduced things like petty crimes and theft there. But the question is, how come it hasn't in countries like the UK that have a similar density of surveillance cameras?

You don´t need to apply any of those systems to europeans. You need to apply them to migrants who enter Europe. China is different. Because they have to apply them to their own population because they are atheistic savages. Great work ethic though.

I don´t know if Europeans became something like the Dodo bird. My oldest kid told me the story about the Dodo bird the other day. DODOEUROPE. DODOCONTINENT. DODOWEST.

The way people lined up for covid vax makes you wonder. Definitely a dodo moment. Way people talk about China. Is also Dodoism.

Cooper you are a Dodo.

The dodo bird had no natural predators on its native island of Mauritius which is why it evolved to be flightless and unafraid, making it an easy target for humans and the invasive species (rats, pigs, monkeys) they brought, leading to its rapid extinction in the 17th century.

 

[Cooper]

In recent history, the summer of 2009 when I lived in Southeast China, there were local protests by Uyghur Muslims because they were being displaced by Han Chinese, who were sponsored by the CCP to move to Xinjiang (far West China) in numbers that were overwhelming the local culture.

The CCP was exerting more control over their religious practices and establishing a two-tier social system with a much greater surveillance and compliance burden on the Uyghurs.

Riots broke out following conflicts among the two groups and at a bare minimum 1000 Uyghurs were shot down in the streets while the entire province was completely locked down. No one could enter or exit, no Internet and no international phone calls were allowed.

The top man who brutalized the Tibetans into submission was brought to Xinjiang, which was made into an open air prison for Uyghurs.

This is your "firm but practical." These are the methods the CCP uses to create a "high trust" society.

Would you say that Xinjiang is an "open air prison" today?

Are the sources claiming 1000 shot Uyghurs the same that are claiming millions in concentration camps?

What do you think the Chinese should have done with their Uyghur terrorists and jihadi sympathizers?

 

[Cooper]

You don´t need to apply any of those systems to europeans. You need to apply them to migrants who enter Europe. China is different. Because they have to apply them to their own population because they are atheistic savages. Great work ethic though.

I don´t know if Europeans became something like the Dodo bird. My oldest kid told me the story about the Dodo bird the other day. DODOEUROPE. DODOCONTINENT. DODOWEST...

China is run by Confucian atheists, we are run by luciferian degenerates.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

China is run by Confucian atheists, we are run by luciferian degenerates.

Just so weird to watch people hate on China so much, to the point there has to be an alternative reasoning for it. Everything they complain about in China is either worse here, or going to be worse here in the next 10 years due to third world immigration. And no, you don't get to vote to stop this trajectory in the west, both parties, all parties will flood your country with violent third world people to destroy it.

The craziest is watching people who claim Muslims are the issue, then turn around and claim that China is too harsh on Muslims, LOL. Sorry, this little game of not blaming those who are in charge of the west and are purposely destroying it is over, and the silly Muslim question will be avoided.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Would you say that Xinjiang is an "open air prison" today?

I know that phrase is tossed around a lot nowadays, but Xinjiang is, to a large extent, an open air prison for the Uyghurs who are there because of the extreme surveillance used to control them, as well as the re-education camps. It is effectively an extreme form of surveillance harassment for the Uyghurs.

Are the sources claiming 1000 shot Uyghurs the same that are claiming millions in concentration camps?

As I said, the entire province was locked down. As far as I know, there is less information about Xinjiang in the summer of 2009 than Tiananmen Square on June 4, 1989. All the social media videos from the time have been scrubbed, an enormous task that China has been doing for all of its embarrassing media that got online, which other countries have been doing for theirs as well.

1000 shot dead is my low estimate that came from a variety of sources at the time; it did not come directly from a single report. One of the sources was Radio Free Asia which, despite its Western funding and connections to the US govt, broke real stories in that region, including the Muslim mass murders that followed for the next six years, such as the Kunming train station massacre in 2014. There were some smaller attacks in Guangzhou as well.

"Millions in the camps" came from the data of Chinese police databases that were left without even a password protection. The source was the Chinese govt., but what were the exact logistics, how many were here or there at one time I don't know. Overall it was clear to me that they had processed more than a million through re-education.

What do you think the Chinese should have done with their Uyghur terrorists and jihadi sympathizers?

China should transition into a nation where basic freedom of thought and religious expression are allowed. However, because of the CCP's totalitarian background, they are fearful of the subversive tactics they themselves employed. Tiananmen 1989 was a clear indicator that the CCP could not handle their populace without extreme violence and, again in the 2000's, there was a trend toward more freedom that was ended by Xi Jin Ping and it's likely that the Chinese leadership thought this was necessary for their survival.

If China could govern while allowing such freedoms, then there would be a way to maintain order without such extreme violence that has been seen in Tibet and Xinjiang in the past 20 years.

The path that China is taking, a technological totalitarian state that enforces absolute obedience, has less and less space for religious expression because it would promote a moral framework that is at least implicitly in conflict with government policy whose only morality is to promote the acquisition of wealth at any cost, albeit within a nationalist command and control.

Also, the vast majority of people in positions of authority in China (excluding perhaps the upper echelons) are themselves very unintelligent and uneducated, and are the offspring of biological and ideological parents from the Mao years that abhorred both intelligence and education and eradicated as many intellectuals as possible.

While the incomprehensible antics of the Great Leap Forward and the Great Cultural Revolution are no longer apparent, such as organizing farmers to melt down all their farm tools in the middle of a famine, that mentality was made into the tradition. Therefore, China can now only be ruled by a severe iron hand because its leaders and population have been physically and spiritually culled of the capability of balancing freedom and responsibility within the <insert philosophy here> moral framework that once existed.