The China Thread

[It_Is_My_Time]

The question isn't whether they are bad or good, the question remains, who is going to stop them? The answer, not a country that resembles the tower of Babel and is full of sub 100 IQ third world immigrants The only thing that can stop the Chinese will be a return of White ethnostates, and you don't get to vote for this option.

 

[Cooper]

Ah, yes,

The standard CCPEE playbook: invade other people who are minding their own business, kill and torture them, destroy their places of worship, paint them as evil and disrupting society, then use the propaganda machine to brag about how much good is being done by building so many of your tofu buildings and questionable infrastructure. Pretend you are doing them a favor and how much they have "benefited". Rinse and repeat.

Xinjiang has been part of China for centuries. The national dish there is a noodle dish that the locals eat with chopsticks.

You want a list of countries minding their own business being invaded, killed and tortured, how about Iraq, Syria, Libya, Haiti, Honduras for starts, and now, Venezuela... Your taxes would be much better spent on "tofu buildings and questionnable infrastructure" at home instead of forever wars for Israel and the MIC.

 

[Cooper]

Needs more LED lights and other graphic enhancements. Fortunately the Indians have borrowed a page out of the Changs own book to give 'em a bit of inspiration. See how easy that is!

Is there a train station in India, or in your own mystery meat second/third world country that looks like this one in Xinjiang?

 

[Cooper]

Takaichi is on top of everything, video below is really good. The Jap Prez knows exactly with what deceptive snakes she's dealing, and you can't play her because she's had that switch on moment decades ago already. Standing firm and tall, convinced of her own right and grounded into her country's history, culture and lore. Basically the nightmare of any commie troll.

In this video Takaichi talks about China's 2017 National Intelligence Law/ National Security Law. Serpentza and laowhy86 have talked about it many times before, video is linked above. This Chinese law stipulates that all Chinese citizens are legally mandated to cooperate and assist with State intelligence work regardless of location.

That's quite something, and in laymen terms this means that Chinese students/citizens, in the US and elsewhere, are legally obligated to engage in espionage if approached by CCP agents/handlers for such an endeavor. Failure to comply will result in legal consequences (aka jail time), possibly career ending measures and social stigma including harassment of family back home.

Takaichi is aware, high energy vibes. Meanwhile Don the Donkey invites 600 000 Chang students per two years into the US' most delicate institutions, as he waffles about God knows what. His own FBI chief even recently stated that his agency spends more money, time and resources on countering Chinese espionage than all other countries combined. Go figure. Big W for Takaichi.

Takaichi is the Japanese equivalent of Merz or Macron, who play up at home the Russian threat to distract from their own deep internal economic problems, the same way Takaichi is now using China.

Much like Germany or France would be better off trading with Russia instead of ruining themselves financing a losing war against Russia, Japan would be better off trading with China instead of taking on aggressive postures dating from WW2. The long period of economic stagnation in Japan is only getting worse, with the latest GDP growth figure a grim -1.8%, due to US tariffs and a decline in domestic consumption.




China is Japan's largest trading partner, and Japan is China's 3rd largest trading partner. If Japan starts taking a page out of Germany's suicidal playbook of cutting off Russia, their dire economic situation will get much worse, much like Germany is struggling from cutting off Russian trade.

 

[FrancisK]

@Cooper sorry if I missed it brother but what is your background in regards to China? Or is it just communism in general because I believe you also support Venezuela.

Read lives of saints lived there and didn't care for it that's simple enough, IIMT is just game for anything which may be negative for the west. What is your connection to it? I don't ask to criticize you in any way it would just greatly help with context to know.

 

[Cooper]

@Cooper sorry if I missed it brother but what is your background in regards to China? Or is it just communism in general because I believe you also support Venezuela.

Read lives of saints lived there and didn't care for it that's simple enough, IIMT is just game for anything which may be negative for the west. What is your connection to it? I don't ask to criticize you in any way it would just greatly help with context to know.

Thanks for asking Francis, you're not the first to have asked, and those were my long responses (you have to click on the texts below to get to the body of the linked posts) :

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Oct 1, 2025

@Cooper

I appreciate your commitment to CiK, even if I don't agree with some things you claim. Indeed, I encourage members to share a range of opinions here, ideally in a calm, frank, and well-reasoned manner backed by credible evidence.

It seems that you like sharing a belief akin to "Rotten is the West, China is the best". As you're one of the most prolific contributers here, I'm curious about your reason and purpose for this mission, because the why isn't so clear.

I don't know if any CiK members live in China (?), except for one in HK. Also, I don't know if...

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Nov 5, 2025

I don't want to put you or anybody on the spot, I don't need personal answers. You summarized your views without explaining why you devote that much energy to this thread. China has been successful and the western world is in trouble, many see that without spending that much energy on reminding everybody of it online. Steady Hands asked jokingly if a girl might be the reason. I don't really care.

I've posted more on the Ukraine and Russia threads than on this one over the last couple of years, but somehow no one is questioning me about "devoting that much energy" there. Part of...

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WRT Venezuela, it's more that I don't support bombing and invading them than about endorsing their socialism or inefficient economic system. This being said, they're no bolsheviks as they endorse Catholicism and are the only country in the hemisphere that ban gay marriage, abortion and usury.

 

[FrancisK]

Thanks for asking Francis, you're not the first to have asked, and those were my long responses (you have to click on the texts below to get to the body of the linked posts) :

Post in thread 'The China Thread'

Oct 1, 2025

@Cooper

I appreciate your commitment to CiK, even if I don't agree with some things you claim. Indeed, I encourage members to share a range of opinions here, ideally in a calm, frank, and well-reasoned manner backed by credible evidence.

It seems that you like sharing a belief akin to "Rotten is the West, China is the best". As you're one of the most prolific contributers here, I'm curious about your reason and purpose for this mission, because the why isn't so clear.

I don't know if any CiK members live in China (?), except for one in HK. Also, I don't know if...

• Cooper

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Post in thread 'The China Thread'

Nov 5, 2025

I don't want to put you or anybody on the spot, I don't need personal answers. You summarized your views without explaining why you devote that much energy to this thread. China has been successful and the western world is in trouble, many see that without spending that much energy on reminding everybody of it online. Steady Hands asked jokingly if a girl might be the reason. I don't really care.

I've posted more on the Ukraine and Russia threads than on this one over the last couple of years, but somehow no one is questioning me about "devoting that much energy" there. Part of...

• Cooper

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WRT Venezuela, it's more that I don't support bombing and invading them than about endorsing their socialism or inefficient economic system. This being said, they're no bolsheviks as they endorse Catholicism and are the only country in the hemisphere that ban gay marriage, abortion and usury.

Thanks brother I appreciate the clarification, mind you I come into this thread seeing you guys going at it about China I was just curious as to why. I thought for sure you were going to tell me you had a personal connection to China, I was wondering if all of this comes from your personal experience first hand. Full disclosure I'll tell you that as a businessman I do not have a high opinion of the Chinese, I see them being called a "high trust society" and I have no idea if that is true or not within themselves but I can tell you dead on that it is absolutely not true for people they do business with outside the country.

Venezuela I suppose is a different thing altogether but in regards to China your thoughts are pretty much that is simply a check valve for the west?

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

Some more Chang slop, this time from a official Chinese state media outlet. Video below claims to interview random Japanese people in a vox-pop style street interview - all of them which carry anti-Takaichi viewpoints. Reality: these are Chang actors, their barely comprehensible Chinglish accent can be decoded from miles away. Probably filmed in front of a green screen too, everything about the background is off.

Chicoms have once again managed to make a fool out of themselves, well done. Not even the most lowbrow Westoids are going to buy this, it's insulting. Motivation is unsure, but the Changs probably tried to create one of those desperate counter narratives mentioned before. Approval rates of Takaichi are through the roof bytheway, 80+ percent and counting. Hence the empty blanket below, really embodies China in a nutshell.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Some more Chang slop, this time from a official Chinese state media outlet. Video below claims to interview random Japanese people in a vox-pop style street interview - all of them which carry anti-Takaichi viewpoints. Reality: these are Chang actors, their barely comprehensible Chinglish accent can be decoded from miles away. Probably filmed in front of a green screen too, everything about the background is off.

Chicoms have once again managed to make a fool out of themselves, well done. Not even the most lowbrow Westoids are going to buy this, it's insulting. Motivation is unsure, but the Changs probably tried to create one of those desperate counter narratives mentioned before. Approval rates of Takaichi are through the roof bytheway, 80+ percent and counting. Hence the empty blanket below, really embodies China in a nutshell.

First two guys seem totally Chinese to me. Very typical Chinese mannerisms when speaking English.

 

[Australia Sucks]

Is China an overall high trust society?

China is the world leader in surveillance of citizens and enforcing the police state. The so called trust would vanish very quickly in China if the government ever collapsed or changed to a different style of government. Chinese behave themselves because the police state smothers them. I wouldn’t exactly call that “trust”. In
Japan if the government ever collapsed I believe most Japanese would still behave quite civilly. You couldn’t say the same about China.

 

[Australia Sucks]

LaAguila serious question for you: do you think in the long run (30 - 40 years) China could overtake the west by default as the west collapses under the weight of third world immigration? I am not saying it will definitely happen but we need to at least consider the possibility. China doesn't have to be brilliant it just has to wait for the west to self destruct with endless third world immigration.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

LaAguila serious question for you: do you think in the long run (30 - 40 years) China could overtake the west by default as the west collapses under the weight of third world immigration? I am not saying it will definitely happen but we need to at least consider the possibility. China doesn't have to be brilliant it just has to wait for the west to self destruct with endless third world immigration.

The follow up to this should then be...

When the west does collapse due to third world immigration, which is obvious on the horizon, if you don't think the Chinese will take over, then who will? Someone has to be the global leader, technology has made the world far too small to go back to our ways before Whites ran the globe.

 

[Cooper]

Thanks brother I appreciate the clarification, mind you I come into this thread seeing you guys going at it about China I was just curious as to why. I thought for sure you were going to tell me you had a personal connection to China, I was wondering if all of this comes from your personal experience first hand. Full disclosure I'll tell you that as a businessman I do not have a high opinion of the Chinese, I see them being called a "high trust society" and I have no idea if that is true or not within themselves but I can tell you dead on that it is absolutely not true for people they do business with outside the country.

I've had a decent personal exposure to China, a bit through travel there and a lot through personal interaction with Chinese friends (some going back to college days) and co-workers/business partners, who are very knowledgeable about Chinese culture, economics and politics. I also had a longtime interest in Chinese and Japanese culture, having taken up Mandarin in college.

I have had fairly good experiences working with Chinese partners, nothing like working with Indians in software though ultimately through trial and error I was able to find a reliable partner in India. The worst aspect of Chinese culture I was exposed to was in college, at a top STEM university, where the Chinese students collaborated among themselves sharing homework answers and old tests passed on from older students, though that practice was also done by other Asians (Koreans, Taiwanese - but not Japanese).

There are some basic aspects to current Chinese society that prove it is a high trust society, like the low level of bike/moped thefts and the application of the honor code in their parcel pick up system. Those are pretty irrefutable.

There is also a lot of BS about China, which is pretty visible on this thread, stuff that is spread by the growing anti-Chinese online industry headlined by people like Serpentza and a lot of Falun Gong types.

Venezuela I suppose is a different thing altogether but in regards to China your thoughts are pretty much that is simply a check valve for the west?

Very much so. If it wasn't for China and Russia, oligarchs like Alex Karp or Zuckerberg would rule the world. You see that as well with China disrupting the AI monopoly and the global warming agenda, because the oligarchs can no longer force deindustrialization on us while China industrializes like crazy. The other aspect is suppressed tech, for instance as China scales up thorium nuclear energy, we are going to be forced to follow suit.

 

[Cooper]

China is the world leader in surveillance of citizens and enforcing the police state. The so called trust would vanish very quickly in China if the government ever collapsed or changed to a different style of government. Chinese behave themselves because the police state smothers them. I wouldn’t exactly call that “trust”. In
Japan if the government ever collapsed I believe most Japanese would still behave quite civilly. You couldn’t say the same about China.

Japan had a 3-4 decade lead over China in terms of industrialization and middle class affluence. The postwar era there was quite gritty, with poverty, slums and crime that a modern Japanese wouldn't recognize. Much like in postwar Italy, organized crime took over. You see it in old Japanese film noirs.



China was still dirt poor 2-3 decades ago when Japan already was a post-industrial society. If you're raised in a society with clean streets as younger Chinese people are, you will view littering as an aberration, same with driving rules and other societal norms. People are malleable and at some point positive habits become ingrained as a norm.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

There are some basic aspects to current Chinese society that prove it is a high trust society, like the low level of bike/moped thefts and the application of the honor code in their parcel pick up system. Those are pretty irrefutable.

It can be difficult to know what's going on in China because there is a lot of variability in the enforcement and application of laws. Because of its many advanced features, Shanghai was often described by foreigners as not even being in China; foreigners who lived there were often shocked when they visited other areas. So no one would have ever expected that Shanghai would have the most stringent Covid lockdowns in the entire country, but that's what happened.

The tiny bit of mopeds being left with keys in them is not enough to draw any conclusions. What is going on for a few seconds of video like that needs context, explanation and corroboration that it's widespread.

Up until the time I left Guangzhou in 2018, both internal combustion and electric bikes were illegal, but of course electrics were in widespread use; they had to be. The police would just unpredictably pull up a huge truck into a neighborhood and begin throwing them in back and confiscating them. There were scrapyards for these bikes in many places, including one close to where I lived, where the bikes were stacked 30 feet high.

 

[expectation]

Drone Mothership Jiu Tian completes its 1st maiden flight.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Drone Mothership Jiu Tian completes its 1st maiden flight.

Does anyone know if the USA has anything that compares to this?

 

[Cooper]

Does anyone know if the USA has anything that compares to this?

The US now produces the LUCAS, a copy of the pictured drones, which were based on the low-cost Iranian $25k Shahed drones, but there is no drone carier platform like that Chinese one yet.

 

[Cooper]

It can be difficult to know what's going on in China because there is a lot of variability in the enforcement and application of laws. Because of its many advanced features, Shanghai was often described by foreigners as not even being in China; foreigners who lived there were often shocked when they visited other areas. So no one would have ever expected that Shanghai would have the most stringent Covid lockdowns in the entire country, but that's what happened.

According to a source I trust, the drastic nature Shanghai lockdown might have been in good part a reflection of the city's political and economic rivalry with Beijing and the central government. It's also a rivalry that played out within the CCP itself between the current leadership and the "Shanghai clique", which was largely neutralized.

Shanghai was ground zero for the neoliberal globalist-aligned political faction, which was purged in the 2010s, and leaders like Bo Xilai sidelined.

The tiny bit of mopeds being left with keys in them is not enough to draw any conclusions. What is going on for a few seconds of video like that needs context, explanation and corroboration that it's widespread.

Multiple travel videos and testimonies from many sources and many parts of China. This is like the parcel pick up system, which you kind of dismissed as something that occurs during the holidays but is in fact pretty universal in China today.

You should apply the same kind of scrutiny when viewing or posting sources like serpentza, whose whole schtick is based on making sweeping generalizations from cherrypicked and often outdated video takes.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Dashcam footage from August 11, 2025, shows a white [sic] sedan in Shenyang intentionally accelerating into a bicyclist on a crosswalk, dragging the victim over 30 meters before fleeing, later identified as the son of Mayor Lü Zhicheng acting after a minor dispute.

The December repost highlights attempted victim-blaming by CCP-affiliated accounts claiming the bicyclist provoked the driver, a tactic mirroring state media strategies in similar elite impunity cases like the 2012 Li Qiming incident.

With over 117,000 views and mostly condemnatory replies, the post underscores ongoing public frustration with unaccountable "princelings," contributing to narratives of systemic corruption in China's governance.

First encounter, the car becomes aggravated by the cyclist and must have circled back to get his revenge.




View attachment First encounter.mp4

The driver hits the cyclist, drags him a good ways, and then repeatedly runs him over as is the Chinese technique of "it's better to hit and kill than to hit and injure."




View attachment Impact low res.mp4

On Aug 11, a 19-year-old driver hit a 39-year-old cyclist after a traffic dispute in Tiexi District. Victim is injured but not in danger. No alcohol or drugs involved. The driver has been criminally detained for suspected intentional injury.

This is very similar to the 2010 Li Gang Incident, where the 22 y.o. son of the chief of police was drunk and hit two university students on campus, killing one of them, and then defiantly telling them on camera, "Sue me if you dare! I am the son of Li Gang!"



These kinds of outrageous, cold-blooded vehicular murders were in the news regularly when I lived there and now, in 2025, there is an attempted murder of the same type, while other mass vehicular murders of children, revenge killings against society, have become more and more frequent in the past several years.

High trust society? Don't think so, especially when you see the long timeline. So now packages can be left out by delivery men? You can leave your keys in your moped in the nice neighborhoods? Great, but groups of children are getting mowed down by disgruntled middle-class people taking revenge on society.

In 2013 a local official ran over and murdered the baby of a family who violated the one-child policy.

A Chinese man, Han Lei, was sentenced to death and subsequently executed for killing a two-year-old girl in Beijing after a dispute over a parking space in July 2013. The incident occurred when Han, who was intoxicated, mistook the child's stroller for a shopping trolley and threw the toddler to the ground, resulting in fatal head injuries.