The J. D. Vance Thread


More from Vance at the TPUSA event. He comes off very well. Very few public figures, much less national politicians, combine genuine Christian faith with this degree of intelligence and eloquence.

I like Vance on a personal level. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, someone I could imagine hanging out with. But I'm wary of his sudden rise to power - first public office he held was a senate seat (one of the highest offices in the country) and he was tapped VP in the middle of his first term. That's sus. He didn't rise that fast on his own and there are people (like Thiel) he's beholden to.
 
I like Vance on a personal level. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, someone I could imagine hanging out with. But I'm wary of his sudden rise to power - first public office he held was a senate seat (one of the highest offices in the country) and he was tapped VP in the middle of his first term. That's sus. He didn't rise that fast on his own and there are people (like Thiel) he's beholden to.
His rise was super sonic. I read Hillbilly Elegy, and he just suddenly took off in life. He was a messed up lower class kid from a broken family in hillbilly culture, and went as an enlisted man into the USMC after high school. He must have had some talent and appeal, because they put him in public relations, and by the end of his tour they had him running some kind of public relations office that would normally be held by an officer.

Then he went to Ohio State, and was still figuring things out. Getting into debt, struggling to manage his schedule and living arrangements, typical mid 20s college student. After graduating Ohio State, he threw a Hail Mary and got admitted to Yale Law, and suddenly he was being groomed to be an elite. He went from hillbilly screwup to Yale Law on the elite development track in 6-8 years. When he first got to Yale, he still found himself wanting to brawl with anyone who dissed him, as is necessary in hillbilly culture. He had to learn how to behave in that setting.

It was during this period that he met and married Usha. He says in the book that his initial way of dealing with her included some behaviors that he was used to from his dysfunctional upbringing, and that he had to learn a whole different mode of behavior.

He points out that he was frequently in the company of the top elite at Yale. For example, they would have the US Attorney General stop by to do a seminar, and many of the professors were famous in their own right. He was encouraged to write his book by one of his Yale professors, Amy Chou, who is famous herself for writing Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother. It was a whole different world for him, and it was the environment that enabled him to rise to the top.

After he wrote the book, it was a huge sensation, and I think that's when Thiel picked him up. They put him in charge of a Midwest focused venture capital fund. He funded some kind of project that lost an incredible amount of money, like $300 million! He also invested in Rumble. After a few years of this kind of venture capital work, he also got involved in politics and ran for the Senate. The rest is history.

I'm sure I would like him personally, and would like to have the opportunity to talk to him. Like you, I'm a little concerned that he must have had to take the ticket to have risen so far, so fast. However, I think he probably has a natural talent and charisma that people liked, and they liked his back story too, and wanted to use a guy like that. He seems to be able to push issues that matter to him based on his background, and the existing elite seems to think it's a great idea to push him to the fore.

I hope he truly is one of the good guys, but I recognize that power corrupts, and that anyone at the top has likely had to make some ugly compromises. We should pray for him.
 
Obviously, it will depend on who all else is running in a primary, and well, I like JD Vance as a public speaker and a conservative voice, I have to ask, is this really someone you could cast a ballot for?

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That was him. I don't think he is that person now. A lot has happened to him since that time, and he's changed his whole persona.
 
Don Trump Jr was a big fan of the Hillbilly Elegy book. I read that he was the main factor in convincing Trump Sr. to eventually pick Vance for VP even though there was some misgivings that he was too green as the time. I would say that would be the primary reason for his quick rise in politics.
 
I like Vance on a personal level. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, someone I could imagine hanging out with. But I'm wary of his sudden rise to power - first public office he held was a senate seat (one of the highest offices in the country) and he was tapped VP in the middle of his first term. That's sus. He didn't rise that fast on his own and there are people (like Thiel) he's beholden to.
I'm aware of the Peter Thiel connection, but I think people read a lot more into it than is actually there. It's not as if Peter Thiel "owns" Vance and is operating him like a puppeteer, it's more like Peter Thiel recognized early on that Vance had a lot of potential and "invested" in him. That is how a serial entrepreneur/venture capitalist like Thiel thinks. He probably "invested" similarly in the careers of dozens of such promising young people, but most didn't pan out. Vance did - and now Thiel has a personal relationship with the sitting Vice President and possible future President of the United States. That's a valuable thing for Thiel, but it doesn't imply that Vance is going to do whatever he wants. This is simply the nature of political and social hierarchies and human relationships, and how power, money, and influence intersect.
He points out that he was frequently in the company of the top elite at Yale. For example, they would have the US Attorney General stop by to do a seminar, and many of the professors were famous in their own right. He was encouraged to write his book by one of his Yale professors, Amy Chou, who is famous herself for writing Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother. It was a whole different world for him, and it was the environment that enabled him to rise to the top.
It's worth noting that Vance - as a straight white male from Appalachia without legacy connections - not only received zero affirmative action into the Ivy League, but probably stood out like a sore thumb there. He was admitted purely on merit, which (as we obviously see now) means he is a tremendously intelligent guy. I'm sure his peers and teachers at Yale recognized this quite plainly, and realized (like Thiel later on) that this was a guy with great potential, and who was worth knowing/mentoring/accepting.
I'm sure I would like him personally, and would like to have the opportunity to talk to him. Like you, I'm a little concerned that he must have had to take the ticket to have risen so far, so fast. However, I think he probably has a natural talent and charisma that people liked, and they liked his back story too, and wanted to use a guy like that. He seems to be able to push issues that matter to him based on his background, and the existing elite seems to think it's a great idea to push him to the fore.
Vance's rise was certainly improbable, but these things happen from time to time in American politics (and more frequently than you'd imagine - within our lifetimes Barack Obama and Bill Clinton enjoyed similarly meteoric rises from relative obscurity). It is the nature of our political system that talented outsiders like Vance, Obama and Clinton are identified by moneyed interests and fast-tracked into national office. Politicians are sort of like athletes in this regard - much of the talent/ability they possess is innate, and cannot be learned. You either have it or you don't, and the blessed few who have it in spades are the ones who rise through the political hierarchy very quickly. But just because a guy is pushed ahead quickly doesn't necessarily mean that he's compromised and/or beholden to evil, shadowy interests. It just means that when he wields power he's going to look favorably on whatever faction or benefactors helped him along the way. This is how things have always worked in the United States. Despite being somewhat beholden (and presumably loyal to a degree) to Peter Thiel and others, Vance seems very much his own man, and a man closely aligned with the thinking and religious beliefs shared by most of us here. He isn't perfect, but who is? And what politician of any prominence is any better?
 
Not sure what's going with this "Christian" forum, but I didn't even realize Vance hit it out of the park at TP on the topic of immigration. As I suspected Vance is actually pretty based. He's a millennial so I guess automatically his pattern recognition is 5 times higher than a boomer. The fact that he race mixed provides more credence to that. Race mixing is a trial by fire for a white man's character. If he was a faggot he would've wife'd up some tattooed, pierced white slut with short hair like the rest of the liberal white faggots. Must of seen the red flags during his dating years.

One thing I liked is the fact that he brought up his wife's faith, or lack of. Shows a lot of integrity that he actually cares about these personal attacks against him.



Not sure why he's constantly being attacked, or maybe I do.

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I like Vance on a personal level. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, someone I could imagine hanging out with. But I'm wary of his sudden rise to power - first public office he held was a senate seat (one of the highest offices in the country) and he was tapped VP in the middle of his first term. That's sus. He didn't rise that fast on his own and there are people (like Thiel) he's beholden to.

Yes I like the guy as well but the people claiming the rise is ‘all skill’ are totally off the mark. There are many many people with skill that don’t make to the top. One way or another you have to please your masters, and there is a luck component. Odds are there some hidden forces here that none of us are aware of. His story is also exaggerated for maximum political effect.

Questions:

Did he not spend most of his time in Ohio and not Appalachia?

Wasn’t he mostly middle-class and not working poor or in poverty?

Didn’t he have an extended family net?

There are reports he took golf lessons too which dirt poor people don’t do.

Not criticizing the guy, he’s a great VP. But background stories are probably exaggerated for max political effect.
 
Not sure what's going with this "Christian" forum, but I didn't even realize Vance hit it out of the park at TP on the topic of immigration. As I suspected Vance is actually pretty based. He's a millennial so I guess automatically his pattern recognition is 5 times higher than a boomer. The fact that he race mixed provides more credence to that. Race mixing is a trial by fire for a white man's character. If he was a faggot he would've wife'd up some tattooed, pierced white slut with short hair like the rest of the liberal white faggots. Must of seen the red flags during his dating years.

One thing I liked is the fact that he brought up his wife's faith, or lack of. Shows a lot of integrity that he actually cares about these personal attacks against him.



Not sure why he's constantly being attacked, or maybe I do.

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I like Vance too. The wife thing is unfortunate. I'm not able to relate to his choice but I can give some grace there. It's his connection to Peter Thiel that is the pinch point for me. It's been my observation that even when a person, like Vance, has based and virtuous intents it will fold under the pressure of money. Thiel is the money. It is possible to not fold but that comes at the price of massive sacrifices.

The current muslim thing in the West is an interesting topic. My cynical take is that they are nothing but a tool. They are expected to fold to materialism and the globohomo/jewry once they foment and dissolve what remains of traditional Christianity and the West. Thiel is globohomo. So someone like Vance is also being used as a tool to facilitate the ultimate objective. People like him are there to moderate the bits of actual muslim stuff just enough so damage can be done until muslims give way to a fake version of themselves too.

But, even given all my cynicism, I still like Vance. And I think he can potentially be a bump on this road towards globohomo/synagogue of satan.
 
Yes I like the guy as well but the people claiming the rise is ‘all skill’ are totally off the mark. There are many many people with skill that don’t make to the top. One way or another you have to please your masters, and there is a luck component. Odds are there some hidden forces here that none of us are aware of. His story is also exaggerated for maximum political effect.

Questions:

Did he not spend most of his time in Ohio and not Appalachia?

Wasn’t he mostly middle-class and not working poor or in poverty?

Didn’t he have an extended family net?

There are reports he took golf lessons too which dirt poor people don’t do.

Not criticizing the guy, he’s a great VP. But background stories are probably exaggerated for max political effect.
According to his book, his family is originally from the hollers in Kentucky. They visited there often, and were culturally hillbilly. However, they did live in a factory town in suburbia in Ohio. He was born in the early 80s, and came of age in the 90s, so that was modern suburbia.

His mother was/is a drug addict, and she went through a lot of men. He lived with his grandparents much of the time, but sometimes lived with his mom, and briefly with his biological dad. He moved and switched school systems a number of times, and his living situations were pretty dysfunctional for the most part. Things stabilized for him a little bit the last three years of high school, and he did better under those conditions.

He did appear to always have a roof over his head, and he had enough clothes and food, so he didn't suffer from poverty in the sense of lacking those things. Middle class is a cultural thing as well as an income thing. He definitely was raised in a dysfunctional and low class setting.
 
Don Trump Jr was a big fan of the Hillbilly Elegy book. I read that he was the main factor in convincing Trump Sr. to eventually pick Vance for VP even though there was some misgivings that he was too green as the time. I would say that would be the primary reason for his quick rise in politics.
This is what Trump Jr said, that Vance was his one Political Favor he called into his dad.
I'm aware of the Peter Thiel connection, but I think people read a lot more into it than is actually there. It's not as if Peter Thiel "owns" Vance and is operating him like a puppeteer, it's more like Peter Thiel recognized early on that Vance had a lot of potential and "invested" in him. That is how a serial entrepreneur/venture capitalist like Thiel thinks. He probably "invested" similarly in the careers of dozens of such promising young people, but most didn't pan out. Vance did - and now Thiel has a personal relationship with the sitting Vice President and possible future President of the United States. That's a valuable thing for Thiel, but it doesn't imply that Vance is going to do whatever he wants. This is simply the nature of political and social hierarchies and human relationships, and how power, money, and influence intersect.

It's worth noting that Vance - as a straight white male from Appalachia without legacy connections - not only received zero affirmative action into the Ivy League, but probably stood out like a sore thumb there. He was admitted purely on merit, which (as we obviously see now) means he is a tremendously intelligent guy. I'm sure his peers and teachers at Yale recognized this quite plainly, and realized (like Thiel later on) that this was a guy with great potential, and who was worth knowing/mentoring/accepting.

Vance's rise was certainly improbable, but these things happen from time to time in American politics (and more frequently than you'd imagine - within our lifetimes Barack Obama and Bill Clinton enjoyed similarly meteoric rises from relative obscurity). It is the nature of our political system that talented outsiders like Vance, Obama and Clinton are identified by moneyed interests and fast-tracked into national office. Politicians are sort of like athletes in this regard - much of the talent/ability they possess is innate, and cannot be learned. You either have it or you don't, and the blessed few who have it in spades are the ones who rise through the political hierarchy very quickly. But just because a guy is pushed ahead quickly doesn't necessarily mean that he's compromised and/or beholden to evil, shadowy interests. It just means that when he wields power he's going to look favorably on whatever faction or benefactors helped him along the way. This is how things have always worked in the United States. Despite being somewhat beholden (and presumably loyal to a degree) to Peter Thiel and others, Vance seems very much his own man, and a man closely aligned with the thinking and religious beliefs shared by most of us here. He isn't perfect, but who is? And what politician of any prominence is any better?
Careful scorpion, your even keeled assessment will get you branded a Vance shill ;)

I think you're pretty over the target here.

On his wife, he has also said he's raised his kids in The Church and wants his wife to convert.
 
But, even given all my cynicism, I still like Vance. And I think he can potentially be a bump on this road towards globohomo/synagogue of satan.

Anyone seeking to be an ideologue, publicly spreading their world view, is going to get a sit down. People like him are rare, so they only have a small pool of people to monitor and recruit from.

What I feel is severely lacking is ideological consistently. We need whites to go back to the basics and raise questions like “do I actually believe this?” You can see white people seeking out “ideological consistently” nowadays with the “never apologize” comments. That’s a profound statement because we used to do both. We used to be racist and apologize for it. Contradictory but it was the path of least resistance.

We can’t swing both ways anymore. Vance seems to check himself and that’s a needed example for all to follow.
 
I posted earlier. While it’s certainly possible for Kirk’s widow to move on, date and marry someone else, any man she dates will never measure up to Charlie Kirk, he was murdered when they were at the height of their love, he died a national conservative hero. They didn’t split after irreconcilable differences, or on a mutual breakup , Charlie was murdered .
 
I posted earlier. While it’s certainly possible for Kirk’s widow to move on, date and marry someone else, any man she dates will never measure up to Charlie Kirk, he was murdered when they were at the height of their love, he died a national conservative hero. They didn’t split after irreconcilable differences, or on a mutual breakup , Charlie was murdered .
She’s also kinda old now.
 
She’s also kinda old now.
I expect she'll marry an older business man, not famous, but fairly handsome and charming, and rich enough to make sure she is comfortable, and probably rich enough to provide security around her as well.

The question is will she continue to seek the limelight, or will she drop out of the public eye after things settle down. She could just leave a foundation to run Turning Point, and play a somewhat passive role in supporting it, or should could try to run it and be up on stage 100 times a year. I expect she will step back before long.
 
The question is will she continue to seek the limelight, or will she drop out of the public eye...
Not a chance she will drop out of the limelight. She has been working her entire life to become famous and she just arrived at her goal, no way she gives it up now.

I expect she'll marry an older business man, not famous...
I say she is already with some Chad (if not in body then at least in spirit) from TPUSA or some other related high powered political or governmental organization. Most likely some guy who was close with Charlie and by osmosis spent lots of time with Erika which allowed the Chad to set the monkey branching trap years in advance via low key flirting and "platonic" kino. And we all know how the female hypergamous mind works, in the back of their minds they're always wondering if they can do better (they can), and curious to experiment (i.e. play games) with the strengths and weaknesses of they're sexual power over weak and lustful men. As the saying goes, "You weren't special, it was just your turn."
 
Not a chance she will drop out of the limelight. She has been working her entire life to become famous and she just arrived at her goal, no way she gives it up now.


I say she is already with some Chad (if not in body then at least in spirit) from TPUSA or some other related high powered political or governmental organization. Most likely some guy who was close with Charlie and by osmosis spent lots of time with Erika which allowed the Chad to set the monkey branching trap years in advance via low key flirting and "platonic" kino. And we all know how the female hypergamous mind works, in the back of their minds they're always wondering if they can do better (they can), and curious to experiment (i.e. play games) with the strengths and weaknesses of they're sexual power over weak and lustful men. As the saying goes, "You weren't special, it was just your turn."
This is true to some degree, but I think overly cynical in this case. I'm all for being cynical, but I think she did love him as a Christian wife.
 
This is true to some degree, but I think overly cynical in this case. I'm all for being cynical, but I think she did love him as a Christian wife.
It's definitely cynical, but a very real possibility nonetheless. No doubt she loved him but the life of celebrity is a whirlwind, it moves fast. When your life is so large with so many people and places flying past you it's much easier to "move on" to the next new thing. Eric Clapton has talked candidly about this after losing his 5 year old son in 1991 to an accident in which Clapton felt responsible for. He said he never really grieved for the loss of his son in the moment because he was famous and living such a good life that it was easy for him to move on and fill the grief with endless excitement and change. Even writing the song Tears In Heaven to help him cope with the loss wasn't enough because it was so successful that it carried him even deeper into the emotional distraction of high level fame game. As a result Clapton never really processed and grieved the loss of his son Conor until 10 years after the child's death.

These famous people, who get famous intentionally and by design, are a whole other breed of animal.
 
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