The China Thread

[It_Is_My_Time]

Why?

Why do I have to accept that based on the data coming from the CCP?

You don't have to, you can live in denial where somehow magically our military with H-1B "engineers" and DEI "generals" can hang with the Chinese military, and voting will change anything. I don't care to win you over, I care to win over those who read the back and forth.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

You don't have to, you can live in denial where somehow magically our military with H-1B "engineers" and DEI "generals" can hang with the Chinese military, and voting will change anything. I don't care to win you over, I care to win over those who read the back and forth.

IM not asking you to win me over.

I'm asking you to defend your position.

Prove why you're so sure these Chinese technocrats are going to Pinky and The Brian the world.

You can't because you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

IM not asking you to win me over.

I'm asking you to defend your position.

Prove why you're so sure these Chinese technocrats are going to Pinky and The Brian the world.

You can't because you don't know what you're talking about.

LOL, okay, good luck with that.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

LOL, okay, good luck with that.

Again this is not a defense of your position.

Why do you accept numbers from a Communist country?

What metrics are you using to justify your china cope?

How much dealing have you had with people in China? Have you been there or had an affiliate you do business with and actually speak to someone from China or is this all just academic like your other postulations?

Seriously youre like a ping pong ball in a blender bouncing from point to point. This week it's China, next week it will be Iran, next month it will be some other fad.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Why do I have to accept that [105 average IQ] based on the data coming from the CCP?

My estimation was that the average IQ in mainland China is low 80's. Foreigners, including sub-Saharan Africans, were constantly frustrated trying to deal with them.

One thing that we all suffered from was sidewalk rage. A typical low-IQ Chinaman can block a sidewalk up to 6 feet wide by himself through ponderous multiplicity of intention, while exceptional specimens can block up to 8 feet. Chinese spiky hair is actually hyper-sensitive to micro-changes in air density, so they can sort of see behind them. It's a sight to behold!

The average IQ's would all walk the same way and had no internal algo for time-distance collision-avoidance and were constantly coming within a foot of each other, sometimes bumping. They drove even worse than they walked.

But then suddenly, in a sea of monotonous slouchers depressingly sliding their flip-flops forward, each agonizing, pessimistic step, you'd spot one who had an over-100 IQ gait and made allowances to prevent collisions.

A few times over the years I'd spy one of these smarties and, if they looked like they were born after 1990, I'd say hello to see if they spoke English. They always did.

If I had to hire people in China, I'd forego an interview and just watch them negotiate 50 yards of busy sidewalk.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Again this is not a defense of your position.

Why do you accept numbers from a Communist country?

What metrics are you using to justify your china cope?

How much dealing have you had with people in China? Have you been there or had an affiliate you do business with and actually speak to someone from China or is this all just academic like your other postulations?

Seriously youre like a ping pong ball in a blender bouncing from point to point. This week it's China, next week it will be Iran, next month it will be some other fad.

Look at genetically similar countries in the area, who are not communist, and see what their average IQ scores are.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Look at genetically similar countries in the area, who are not communist, and see what their average IQ scores are.

I think I've mentioned this recently, but I'd say there is a 15 point difference in the functional IQ of mainland compared to Taiwan, with the latter being around 100.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I think I've mentioned this recently, but I'd say there is a 15 point difference in the functional IQ of mainland compared to Taiwan, with the latter being around 100.

Being they are the same genetically, this would be pretty much impossible. Maybe a 5-point difference, but even that would be unlikely. Doesn't matter, China has the size, the land mass, the resources, and the technology. I wonder if Taiwan will eventually give up on the disgusting filthy west and align with mainland China. If this ever happens, we truly know it is over for the west.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

My estimation was that the average IQ in mainland China is low 80's. Foreigners, including sub-Saharan Africans, were constantly frustrated trying to deal with them.

One thing that we all suffered from was sidewalk rage. A typical low-IQ Chinaman can block a sidewalk up to 6 feet wide by himself through ponderous multiplicity of intention, while exceptional specimens can block up to 8 feet. Chinese spiky hair is actually hyper-sensitive to micro-changes in air density, so they can sort of see behind them. It's a sight to behold!

The average IQ's would all walk the same way and had no internal algo for time-distance collision-avoidance and were constantly coming within a foot of each other, sometimes bumping. They drove even worse than they walked.

But then suddenly, in a sea of monotonous slouchers depressingly sliding their flip-flops forward, each agonizing, pessimistic step, you'd spot one who had an over-100 IQ gait and made allowances to prevent collisions.

A few times over the years I'd spy one of these smarties and, if they looked like they were born after 1990, I'd say hello to see if they spoke English. They always did.

If I had to hire people in China, I'd forego an interview and just watch them negotiate 50 yards of busy sidewalk.

We had an affiliate in Shanghai and Qing Dong. Before COVID we used to have them visit regularly.

My observation:

The people in the coastal city centers are very bright and the people in the mainland are low IQ, basically peasants.

Being they are the same genetically, this would be pretty much impossible. Maybe a 5-point difference, but even that would be unlikely. Doesn't matter, China has the size, the land mass, the resources, and the technology.

You seem to miss the key point about mainland vs coastal.

Again if you knew what you were talking about you'd appreciate the naunce.

I wonder if Taiwan will eventually give up on the disgusting filthy west and align with mainland China. If this ever happens, we truly know it is over for the west.

Here's a prime example of you talking about stuff out of your ass.

This will never happen unless by force.

 

[Northern Pilgrim]

I wonder if Taiwan will eventually give up on the disgusting filthy west and align with mainland China. If this ever happens, we truly know it is over for the west.

Only once the mighty, rainbow flag waving stronghold falls, then, and only then, we know the west is TRULY finished!

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

We had an affiliate in Shanghai and Qing Dong. Before COVID we used to have them visit regularly.

My observation:

The people in the coastal city centers are very bright and the people in the mainland are low IQ, basically peasants.


You seem to miss the key point about mainland vs coastal.

Again if you knew what you were talking about you'd appreciate the naunce.


Here's a prime example of you talking about stuff out of your ass.

This will never happen unless by force.

By "mainland", do you mean the rural area? If so, yea that is true of most every country . Brain drain to the big city of opportunity.

It doesn't matter if you believe their IQ or not or even if it is accurate. What matters is they are kicking our asses and they have only begun and we are collapsing. And as hard as it is to sell the west is ahead of China right now, it is only going to get harder to do as time marches forward. They are growing, we are committing suicide.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Being they are the same genetically, this would be pretty much impossible. Maybe a 5-point difference, but even that would be unlikely. Doesn't matter, China has the size, the land mass, the resources, and the technology. I wonder if Taiwan will eventually give up on the disgusting filthy west and align with mainland China. If this ever happens, we truly know it is over for the west.

China does have the population size to cherry pick a large number of people in any sub-group, like high IQ or 3 meter platform divers, but that only goes so far, which is the problem we have with low IQ third worlders in our country, it drags the whole place down.

In Cambodia the Khmer Rogue killed everyone they could who were literate, educated, or even wore eyeglasses, disposing of 20-30% of the population in four years.

Mao had more than 30 years to select out people for removal with IQ being one of the characteristics.

In the mainland, unless you're on a proper career track, you will not get hired if you appear smart during the interview because the boss would be fearful of you ripping him off. This is one of several incentives in the mainland to not be smart. That's why I said their functional IQ was low.

I have limited experience with Chinese born in the USA, but they seem normal 100 IQ to me, similar to Taiwanese.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

China does have the population size to cherry pick a large number of people in any sub-group, like high IQ or 3 meter platform divers, but that only goes so far, which is the problem we have with low IQ third worlders in our country, it drags the whole place down.

In Cambodia the Khmer Rogue killed everyone they could who were literate, educated, or even wore eyeglasses, disposing of 20-30% of the population in four years.

Mao had more than 30 years to select out people for removal with IQ being one of the characteristics.

In the mainland, unless you're on a proper career track, you will not get hired if you appear smart during the interview because the boss would be fearful of you ripping him off. This is one of several incentives in the mainland to not be smart. That's why I said their functional IQ was low.

I have limited experience with Chinese born in the USA, but they seem normal 100 IQ to me, similar to Taiwanese.

They were always a step behind the Europeans, but they are leagues ahead of the third world invaders who think they can turn the west into a multi-cultural hellscape and never face outside threats for it.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

They were always a step behind the Europeans, but they are leagues ahead of the third world invaders who think they can turn the west into a multi-cultural hellscape and never face outside threats for it.

So in spite of all this, you still believe in the Yellow Uber Mensch?

im still waiting for how you explain the solution of their collapsing birth rate.

Pretty soon every Chinese man will be going to war with every Indian man for a neighboring countries woman as both have a surplus of men.

In both cases they are below the population replacement rate of 2.1 children per couple.

 

[Wutang]

They were always a step behind the Europeans, but they are leagues ahead of the third world invaders who think they can turn the west into a multi-cultural hellscape and never face outside threats for it.

You still haven't explained why if this gap between China and the other third world countries already exist, why they haven't invaded and turned all of those people into fertilizer yet. Remember you are the one that has claimed multiple times on this forum that it's a law of history that the more powerful societies will "always take the land".

 

[Cooper]

You still haven't explained why if this gap between China and the other third world countries already exist, why they haven't invaded and turned all of those people into fertilizer yet. Remember you are the one that has claimed multiple times on this forum that it's a law of history that the more powerful societies will "always take the land".

I think it's mostly projection on the part of IIMT there, he is wrong on that aspect but mostly right in the big picture. You have western nations and cultures that are turned to the sea and are natural colonizers, like Portugal, Spain, Holland and Britain, while the Chinese have had a very long tradition of being an ethnocentric, inwards-looking and self-sufficient land power. If they had an ounce of colonialistic inclination, they would have long colonized Australia, NZ, the Philippines among other places that were easily accessible to them well before Magellan, Columbus et al started exploring distant lands, areas that were inhabited by easily subjugated very primitive tribes. Part of the reason they didn't set out to colonize these lands is that their population had historically been regulated by internal strife and massive natural disasters (mainly floods).

The Chinese are by and large fairly intelligent people due to their civilization having undergone 4,000+ years or natural selection due to high social mobility. Throughout their history there has been a decent level of upwards and downwards social mobility, where successful men married and had many offspring, while unsuccessful men didn't. This has been a phenomenon documented by western anthropologists. In parallel to this, you had a long established meritocratic system of state exam where a gifted working class pupil would rise to become a mandarin or administrator.

https://www.ronunz.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Darwinism-China.pdf

 

[Cooper]

This is a decent recap of the history of the Sassoon clan and the Opium Wars, it also goes a long way into explaining why the Chinese elite is JQ aware (first 18 minutes), while there are a few details that are wrong, it does a good job of presenting an overview. It also does explain current Chinese leadership attitudes towards the West :

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I think it's mostly projection on the part of IIMT there, he is wrong on that aspect but mostly right in the big picture. You have western nations and cultures that are turned to the sea and are natural colonizers, like Portugal, Spain, Holland and Britain, while the Chinese have had a very long tradition of being an ethnocentric and self-sufficient land power. If they had an ounce of colonialistic inclination, they would have long colonized Australia, NZ, the Philippines among other places that were easily accessible to them and where inhabited by very primitive tribes. Part of the reason they didn't set out to colonize these lands is that their population had historically been regulated by internal strife and massive natural disasters (mainly floods).

The Chinese are by and large fairly intelligent people due to their civilization having undergone 4,000+ years or natural selection due to high social mobility. Throughout their history there has been a decent level of upwards and downwards social mobility, where successful men married and had many offspring, while unsuccessful men didn't. This has been a phenomenon documented by western anthropologists. In parallel to this, you had a long established meritocratic system of state exam where a gifted working class pupil would rise to become a mandarin or administrator.

https://www.ronunz.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Darwinism-China.pdf

But this does not solve for the demographic replacement rate issue they have.

Mark Steyn documented this in America Alone and really thoroughly in Armageddon which is a fantastic read on the subject.

After America book by Mark Steyn

 

[Cooper]

So in spite of all this, you still believe in the Yellow Uber Mensch?
im still waiting for how you explain the solution of their collapsing birth rate.
Pretty soon every Chinese man will be going to war with every Indian man for a neighboring countries woman as both have a surplus of men.
In both cases they are below the population replacement rate of 2.1 children per couple.

Entire classes of labor are being eliminated: truck driver, warehouse operators, dock workers, auto factory workers and so forth. Automation is also taking place in rural areas and in farming. China has a rural population of 500 million, about 35% of its population, vs around 20% (and dropping in the US and western countries). So they have a large reservoir of people they can "inject" into the cities to meet demand for labor.

Also, their young people today are far better educated that those from decades ago, and they are the drivers of their economy going forward. Their middle class is still going to be growing while their total population decreases, whereas in the West the populations already are educated middle class. Also retirement ages are very low in China, 55 for women and 60 for men, they can raise those to dampen the decease in their active population.

This is a good rundown as to why demographics are not the same problem in China as in say, Germany or S Korea.

 

[expectation]

In both cases they are below the population replacement rate of 2.1 children per couple.

Entire classes of labor are being eliminated: truck driver, warehouse operators, dock workers, auto factory workers and so forth. Automation is also taking place in rural areas and in farming. China has a rural population of 500 million, about 35% of its population, vs around 20% (and dropping in the US and western countries). So they have a large reservoir of people they can "inject" into the cities to meet demand for labor.

Also, their young people today are far better educated that those from decades ago, and they are the drivers of their economy going forward. Their middle class is still going to be growing while their total population decreases, whereas in the West the populations already are educated middle class.

This is a good rundown as to why demographics are not the same problem in China as in say, Germany or S Korea.

Re: Population;

I was in the middle of posting that video but Cooper beat me to it.

To add their TPR challenge is not as bad as other nations. Several reasons -

• Large Absolute Number of Youth. ~700m under 40, so they get around 15-20 years of buffer to restructure their economy or resolve the TPR challenge before their workforce shrinkage becomes severe. Their higher education system is starting to overcome the West as well.
• High Baseline and continued growing economy. 1.4B people and consistent 4~5% gdp gains per year.
• Fiscal Burden of Elderly is 1/5 of those in the US and the medical costs are a fraction to developed nations. They also still haven't raised the retirement age.
• Their Automation Industry is seriously really good so I believe it when it can be used to relief manual workforce challenges Cooper mentioned. I live in Hong Kong so I see it with my own eyes when I visit Shenzhen and the wider GBA area in the past 2 years.