Kosovo

Little dark, you've changed man.
Who me? No, I didn't want to come across as negative. I was merely focusing on Montenegro as a specific example, given that people both on this forum and in real life have reported that it was somewhat difficult to interact with people/women, while my experience was entirely different. I kind of conclude that the language barrier was the deciding factor here.

As for the gay stereotype, it's somewhat political and has to do with EU skepticism and the fact that we seemingly accept all the LGBT stuff, whereas they will take to the streets and protest everything. From their point of view it seems odd we wouldn't do the same. Obviously, they don't understand that we'd just end up in jail or don't have the numbers anyway.
 
Who me? No, I didn't want to come across as negative. I was merely focusing on Montenegro as a specific example, given that people both on this forum and in real life have reported that it was somewhat difficult to interact with people/women, while my experience was entirely different. I kind of conclude that the language barrier was the deciding factor here.

As for the gay stereotype, it's somewhat political and has to do with EU skepticism and the fact that we seemingly accept all the LGBT stuff, whereas they will take to the streets and protest everything. From their point of view it seems odd we wouldn't do the same. Obviously, they don't understand that we'd just end up in jail or don't have the numbers anyway.
Not you man.
 
To be honest, I had a different experience in Albania and Montenegro.

I found the women there generally quite interested in meeting a foreigner. A lot of these were 'dates to nowhere' where the women just wanted a chat in English though to be fair. But I didn't find it difficult to get at least that.

How long are you staying in Skopje?
I am back home in Australia now. I haven't been to Albania or Montenegro but I would be surprised if it was easy for a foreigner to get a girlfriend there.
 
I am back home in Australia now. I haven't been to Albania or Montenegro but I would be surprised if it was easy for a foreigner to get a girlfriend there.
Not easy no. But I think doable. Yet every individual is different and has certain demographics that work better for them.

I would say maybe the summer is the worst time because it is tourist season plus a lot of women are busy.

I would be interested to know the rough data you have for on number of approaches in total on on this trip?
 
Not easy no. But I think doable. Yet every individual is different and has certain demographics that work better for them.

I would say maybe the summer is the worst time because it is tourist season plus a lot of women are busy.

I would be interested to know the rough data you have for on number of approaches in total on on this trip?
Bring out the data sheets!!!
 
I am back home in Australia now. I haven't been to Albania or Montenegro but I would be surprised if it was easy for a foreigner to get a girlfriend there.
May be you'll start to see the reality, over time. With all the human trafficking stories I know about Albania just 15-25 years ago timeframe it's really bizarre anyone would want to go there much less look for a girlfriend. I could understand if you were from Nigeria, but from Australia... 🙈
 
This is an old thread but perhaps the OP still reads this:

AS, you thrashed Kosovo in your post. But let me tell you : Kosovo is (or would have been ) your best bet when it comes to finding a traditional wife in a post-communist country of EE or the Balkans.

Source: visited Kosovo in 2007. Have several Kosovan aquittances/friends in London and at least one NYC. (Note: can only speak for the majority, Albanian-speaking part. I cannot speak about the tiny northern, Serbian-speaking enclave in the north).

Some food for thought:
Despite of what you have been told - Girls of Kosovo sometimes can and do marry foreigners. (Yes, those girls told you otherwise because you probably came across as a creep and they wanted you to leave them alone)
No, your "day game" BS definitely not going to work there. In fact , I am surprised you have not been seriously told off (or worse) by some of the local men.
If you are an outsider, The only way to marry a girl from there is the following:


Work for an NGO that is active in Kosovo (they can help you with the visa) between 3 to 6 months, or even 12 month if youa re serious about it.

For goodness sake: learn to read and speak Albanian. No, it is not as difficult as you think. (They use Latin alphabet which helps a lot). No, nobody would laugh at your accent. Most people will appreciate that you are making an effort. Learn about the culture, too.

Be passionate about local matter, be a supporter of the Kosovan cause. Express genuine admiration for the UCK (KLA) fighters many of whom paid the ultimate price to protect their people and liberate their homeland. The latter would earn you some respect amongst the hardened , over-45 men whose help you may need later.

Build a small, but reliable network of (male) friend. This may be crucial.

This is crucial: do not mention that you dream of marrying a local girl until AFTER established a degree of trust with some of the more respected locals.

Most Kosovan are secular. Some are secular Muslims. There is also a thriving Catholic community in Prizren and in Prishtine - if that is ok with you.

Once you have established a degree of trust with respectable men in the local community (this may take several months) it is ok to bring up your intention to marry a local girl. If they trust you and like you, someone may even introduce you to a girl and her family who may consider you letting you marry into their family. The rest should be reasonably easy.

So Girls sometimes do marry out: religion or ethnicity usually isn't a constrain, provided you take the steps correctly and her parents (and the wider family) approve of the marriage. Having said that, this is one of the places where having light complexion can be an unspoken advantage. Needless to say: if you are from the UK or the US, you will be treated well by pretty much everyone.

Your mileage may very. You can find some young ladies who look like Rita Ora or Dua Lipa (with less makeup and with lower notch-counts). Yes, girls who remain in Kosovo are better than the ones who went to the West (mainly to the US, the UK, Switzerland and Denmark) with their parents.
Just don't bring her to the West or you are going to deeply regret your decision.
Also, you need to be in good terms with her family. Kosovo -while changing fast, still largely remains a very family-oriented society.

All-in-all:- This may sound difficult, but as far as finding a traditional wife in a post-communist country in Europe - Kosovo (and a lesser extent Albania) are your best bets. All the other countries you are considering are only going to be more difficult. in that regard

I wish you all the best.
 
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Isn't that a pretty big ask?

To go there alone and learn the language and make local friends and support the local cause to MAYBE meet a wife?

You shouldn't uproot your whole life solely for the purpose of MAYBE meeting a girl. Especially not going to a country like Kosovo or Albania where the opportunities and bredth of people you can meet is extremely limited.

You should actually WANT to be ther cos it aligns with the life you want and your inner goals and purpose. And that cannot be solely to meet a wife.

However, I also think it's not a bad place to wife hunt. It's actually a place where it's better to be serious and simplistic than not. Most places in the word now in cities especially feel the opposite.
 
Isn't that a pretty big ask?

To go there alone and learn the language and make local friends and support the local cause to MAYBE meet a wife?

You shouldn't uproot your whole life solely for the purpose of MAYBE meeting a girl. Especially not going to a country like Kosovo or Albania where the opportunities and bredth of people you can meet is extremely limited.

You should actually WANT to be ther cos it aligns with the life you want and your inner goals and purpose. And that cannot be solely to meet a wife.

However, I also think it's not a bad place to wife hunt. It's actually a place where it's better to be serious and simplistic than not. Most places in the word now in cities especially feel the opposite.
I am not saying you are wrong. However, I think AS was in a dire need of a reality check.
 
Source: visited Kosovo in 2007. Have several Kosovan aquittances/friends in London and at least one NYC. (Note: can only speak for the majority, Albanian-speaking part. I cannot speak about the tiny northern, Serbian-speaking enclave in the
2007 was a lifetime ago. It was before social media and also Kosovo was still recovering from the war and was totally devastated. You cannot compare Kosovo in 2007 to Kosovo in 2025, it’s chalk and cheese.

Once you have established a degre eof trust with repectable men in the lcoal community
Albanians are the most racist people imaginable. They will literally ostracise their daughters and stop talking to them if they decide to marry a foreigner. Not all Albanian parents are like this but the vast majority are.

Not just that but several instances in public I had random dudes or random women come in to try and cockblock me talking to a girl when the guy or woman didn’t even know the girl I was talking to and had never seen her before

And let’s not even mention the Albanian penchant for crime, dishonesty and scamming people. Overall the majority of Albanians are garbage human beings.
 
For goodness sake: learn to read and speak Albanian. No, it is not as difficult as you think. (They use Latin alphabet which helps a lot). No, nobody would laugh at your accent. Most people will appreciate that you are making an effort. Learn about the culture.
You are just making assumptions. When I was in Kosovo I literally got an Albanian private tutor to learn some begginer Albanian, I bought a history book about the history of Kosovo and started reading it and I visited many of their important historical sites and showed a genuine interest in their culture and tried to show my interest during conversations. But nothing I did seemed to count for anything because I wasn’t Albanian.
 
You can find some young ladies who look like Rita Ora or Dua Lipa (with less makeup and with lower notch-counts).
The one thing I will admit is that the population demographic in Kosovo is very young (the youngest in Europe) and almost every Albanian girl is super attractive. Very few ugly women. But it all means nothing because they will get shamed for even going on a date with a foreigner let alone being your girlfriend or marrying you. The only women who will go with a foreigner are messed up in the head or super westernised feminist sluts. Almost no normal Albanian girl in Kosovo will date a foreigner because the cultural taboo is too strong.
 
2007 was a lifetime ago. It was before social media and also Kosovo was still recovering from the war and was totally devastated. You cannot compare Kosovo in 2007 to Kosovo in 2025, it’s chalk and cheese.
You are missing the point.
Albanians are the most racist people imaginable. They will literally ostracise their daughters and stop talking to them if they decide to marry a foreigner. Not all Albanian parents are like this but the vast majority are.


Not just that but several instances in public I had random dudes or random women come in to try and cockblock me talking to a girl when the guy or woman didn’t even know the girl I was talking to and had never seen her before

And let’s not even mention the Albanian penchant for crime, dishonesty and scamming people. Overall the majority of Albanians are garbage human beings.
People who been there -some even married local girls- had very different experiences to yours.
I gave you advise on how to get a traditional wife, but you keep going on about your staff about "day game" "c*ckblocking" etc. To quote Samseau: this is not a game forum.
Yes, both Kosovo and Albania have organized crime (like the rest of EE and the Balkans ). However, both places need your Western money. Albania in particular (where tourism is significant part of the GDP) they need your dollars/Pounds/Euros. Everybody who has been there can confirm you: people there are largely reasonable to and mostly very hospitable to visitors. As a tourist, you are probably safer there while visiting compared to the part of Australia where you claim you are now. However, it seems like you have already made up your mind.
All the best to you.
 
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You are just making assumptions. When I was in Kosovo I literally got an Albanian private tutor to learn some begginer Albanian, I bought a history book about the history of Kosovo and started reading it and I visited many of their important historical sites and showed a genuine interest in their culture and tried to show my interest during conversations. But nothing I did seemed to count for anything because I wasn’t Albanian.
You were only there for a short visit. Read my advise to you again.
 
The one thing I will admit is that the population demographic in Kosovo is very young (the youngest in Europe) and almost every Albanian girl is super attractive. Very few ugly women. But it all means nothing because they will get shamed for even going on a date with a foreigner let alone being your girlfriend or marrying you. The only women who will go with a foreigner are messed up in the head or super westernised feminist sluts. Almost no normal Albanian girl in Kosovo will date a foreigner because the cultural taboo is too strong.
Again, read my message to you in detail. There are some good women there, some would be ok to marry foreigners (with their families approval) But you need to put in time and hard work.
AS , this is how you came across: "I spent three days in Kosovo I did some day game. I could not find a traditional virgin to marry. Everyone is suspicious of me. The people here are sh*t. F*** this place"
Can you see where the problem lies here?
 
The one thing I will admit is that the population demographic in Kosovo is very young (the youngest in Europe) and almost every Albanian girl is super attractive. Very few ugly women. But it all means nothing because they will get shamed for even going on a date with a foreigner let alone being your girlfriend or marrying you. The only women who will go with a foreigner are messed up in the head or super westernised feminist sluts. Almost no normal Albanian girl in Kosovo will date a foreigner because the cultural taboo is too strong.
I actually don't think Albanians are that attractive. They are umm...shapely. Very angular features and almost all of them have this almost cartoon drawing esque triangle nose (which is why you see so many covered in white bandages in the midst of nose job procedures).

Good bodies. Usually nice eyes. Weirdly shaped faces. That's my take.

Ofc better than Western countries but Poland/neo Ukraine is a different level.
 
But nothing I did seemed to count for anything because I wasn’t Albanian.
This is why you don't listen to blue pilled advice.

Listening to the locals is even worse. Listening to a local man give you tips on his culture is like listening to a roastie give tips on dating women. These morons will tell you all kind of fairy tales about respect, honor and magical fairy dust that forms the life blood of their people.

Almost anywhere; you're either an asshole/player and that's your pipeline to women, you find women who want to escape or hate their own kind, you pay 2 play, or you figure out your own unique scheme and and hunt vulnerable/receptive women.

A major problem in such situations is you're an outsider and even worse you treat yourself like an outsider. Walking around on eggshells, Mr. Respect.

These women want fun accessible men they can communicate with. If you're not fun, accessible or there's a language barrier it makes it that much harder. These macho cultures will also harass their whores if they start throwing themselves at foreigners.
 
This is why you don't listen to blue pilled advice.

Listening to the locals is even worse. Listening to a local man give you tips on his culture is like listening to a roastie give tips on dating women. These morons will tell you all kind of fairy tales about respect, honor and magical fairy dust that forms the life blood of their people.

Almost anywhere; you're either an asshole/player and that's your pipeline to women, you find women who want to escape or hate their own kind, you pay 2 play, or you figure out your own unique scheme and and hunt vulnerable/receptive women.

A major problem in such situations is you're an outsider and even worse you treat yourself like an outsider. Walking around on eggshells, Mr. Respect.

These women want fun accessible men they can communicate with. If you're not fun, accessible or there's a language barrier it makes it that much harder. These macho cultures will also harass their whores if they start throwing themselves at foreigners.
You may disagree with what I advised to AS. However, AS (and some other here) want their cake and eat it, too. Life doesn't work like that.
Plus I don't think the PUA-talk (that you and AS is doing here) is approved on this supposedly Christian forum.
 
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