USA Secession / Balkanization

[It_Is_My_Time]

But what would they do about it though, theu might talk and make a lot of noise and threats but I wonder if they would actually act?

Well, most state elected officials are owned puppets, so like with Greg Abbott, they will never do anything to put their cushy life at a jeopardy.

But even if one did, which isn't going to happen, then the federal govt. could just withhold funds, put in a trade blockade, and either starve the holdouts out, or make their lives miserable like they have in to other countries around the world.

I'm not saying that there will not eventually be a pushback, but I don't see it happening with "based" GOP governors who are just as big sellouts as anyone else, and with a "conservative" crowd who thinks boycotting Bud Light while watching the Big Game are ready to make those sacrifices yet.

Things will get a lot worse; things have to get a lot worse before people will start to take it all seriously, and until then we just have to wait and make ourselves stronger and spread the word of who is causing all this hell on earth.

 

[JCSteel]

Whenever there is talk about a Civil War I think about the one we had in the 19th century, but that was a different time. The country was more or less neatly divided between North and South(with a few border states that could be swayed either way) over economics and slavery. There was a question mark over whether the Constitution allowed states to secede- some historians are still divided about that. Southerners had the will to fight to establish their independence and Northerners could be appealed to their patriotism to fight for the Union. Today nobody would pick up arms to kill the other half of the country.

There is some kind of Balkinization happening and what that will produce I cannot tell.

Something big will happen if the next election is stolen.

 

[angel_n]

The country was more or less neatly divided between North and South(with a few border states that could be swayed either way) over economics and slavery

Nowadays it's the Left vs the Right though , or how the youtube channel above puts it: The College Educated vs The College Uneducated

Southerners had the will to fight to establish their independence and Northerners could be appealed to their patriotism to fight for the Union

I believe if push comes to shove, the Right will be ready to do whatever's neccesary to regain control of the country. They are the current regime's enemy #1 and most realize that if something isn't done soon, they will be genocided over time

Today nobody would pick up arms to kill the other half of the country.

Maybe not right now but the year is still young...

Something big will happen if the next election is stolen.

This could be the catalyst needed for open warefare

 

[angel_n]

There is some kind of Balkinization happening and what that will produce I cannot tell.

During the latest Texas border disputes, around 14 states stepped up to support Texas.
Lines are clearly already being drawn and states are declaring who's side their on, not just on the border issue, but later on down the line when things start to get real.

 

[AEON]

I’ve actually thought about this exact question of a possible Civil War Part Two.

First off, I think when it come to Civil Wars it’s just a Hot one, there’s no “Cold” per se. In fact, I can even argue that we’re always in a constant Cold War. CiK is too part of this ongoing Cold War by way of providing a platform for us all.

Nonetheless, let us revisit the very end of the Cold War “Part 1”. After the Confederate Forces in North Carolina and everywhere else surrendered, the Union was restored and various Constitutional Amendments were implemented. Secession was deemed unconstitutional right there and then.

With that said, and given the times we live in I think Civil War Part Two (if any) will not happen. Although, the ongoing Cold War will intensify.

 

[GoodShepherd]

Well, most state elected officials are owned puppets, so like with Greg Abbott, they will never do anything to put their cushy life at a jeopardy.

But even if one did, which isn't going to happen, then the federal govt. could just withhold funds, put in a trade blockade, and either starve the holdouts out, or make their lives miserable like they have in to other countries around the world.

I'm not saying that there will not eventually be a pushback, but I don't see it happening with "based" GOP governors who are just as big sellouts as anyone else, and with a "conservative" crowd who thinks boycotting Bud Light while watching the Big Game are ready to make those sacrifices yet.

Things will get a lot worse; things have to get a lot worse before people will start to take it all seriously, and until then we just have to wait and make ourselves stronger and spread the word of who is causing all this hell on earth.

Do the people living in these red states have what it takes to endure a civil war, are they willing and prepared to live without their luxuries etc? I dont live over there so I dont know. Like here in South Africa there is also talk about succession for many years and I think we are ahead of you guys with succession we already over a decade into this legal process, the difference I see between you guys and us is that our military and police are very weak and would probably not be able to stop succession but you guys have a strong military and police, but the down side we have are the hungry black mobs, the masses, in a time of chaos they would be the concern for us while you guys dont really have that problem so I dont know whats worse though

 

[Caduceus]

In my opinion, the federal government would absolutely not tolerate any states seceding from the Union.

It didn't tolerate it in the year 1861 either, but it happened anyway.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Do the people living in these red states have what it takes to endure a civil war, are they willing and prepared to live without their luxuries etc? I dont live over there so I dont know. Like here in South Africa there is also talk about succession for many years and I think we are ahead of you guys with succession we already over a decade into this legal process, the difference I see between you guys and us is that our military and police are very weak and would probably not be able to stop succession but you guys have a strong military and police, but the down side we have are the hungry black mobs, the masses, in a time of chaos they would be the concern for us while you guys dont really have that problem so I dont know whats worse though

Do they have it in their hearts and bloodlines? Without a doubt.

Do they have it in them right now? No.

Things will just have to get worse. They will have to learn to live with more struggle and endure more heartache as they lose loved ones, their homes, etc. They need to be hardened first, and that will happen as things get worse.

I think the real $64,000 question is... What happens first, these potential warriors, whose ancestors conquered the entire world wake up OR will the satanic elites get enough violent third world people here first to squash their resistance before they wake up?

That remains to be seen.

 

[GoodShepherd]

Do they have it in their hearts and bloodlines? Without a doubt.

Do they have it in them right now? No.

Things will just have to get worse. They will have to learn to live with more struggle and endure more heartache as they lose loved ones, their homes, etc. They need to be hardened first, and that will happen as things get worse.

I think the real $64,000 question is... What happens first, these potential warriors, whose ancestors conquered the entire world wake up OR will the satanic elites get enough violent third world people here first to squash their resistance before they wake up?

That remains to be seen.

I think you guys have the right people there, even when I look at the proud boys and movements like that I think you guys have a good chance, but like you said they probably not ready yet I think the fact that US is a very prosperous nation can weaken people a little with those luxuries and comforts but a bit of hardship will definately get them on the right track fast, thats the good thing about being Orthodox you already used to fasting every week and depriving yourself of pleasure.

 

[angel_n]

With that said, and given the times we live in I think Civil War Part Two (if any) will not happen. Although, the ongoing Cold War will intensify.

The more time goes on and the more the current cold war intensifies, the more I look at a full-blown civil war as inevitability. Maybe it doesn't ignite during this election cycle, but I'm pretty certain it will happen before 2030

It didn't tolerate it in the year 1861 either, but it happened anyway.

Followed by Civil War

What happens first, these potential warriors, whose ancestors conquered the entire world wake up OR will the satanic elites get enough violent third world people here first to squash their resistance before they wake up?

The Third-Worlders will and MUST be crushed - there is no other alternative...

 

[Thomas More]

I think things could get fairly hot this year, but it's like predicting a major economic collapse. It has appeared like it could happen soon, for the past few decades. Likewise, while I can see factors that could lead to a breakout of hostilities, I think the odds are against it.

I would say that the left will definitely employ organized violence again this time like they did last time. I also think the government will commit a variety of illegal acts with impunity like they did last time with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, the stolen election, J6, and the brazenly unjust prosecutions of Trump while letting Hillary, Biden, and many others off the hook.

I suspect that some masked vigilante activity will occur on the right this time, but they'll have a difficult struggle. The government condones leftist violence, but will use all its resources to track down and prosecute any violent activity from the right.

I think the anti-leftist side of society has been stirred up already, and I suspect large numbers of them will be radicalized by the events of this year.

 

[angel_n]

I think things could get fairly hot this year, but it's like predicting a major economic collapse. it has appeared like it could happen soon, for the past few decades. Likewise, while I can see factors that could lead to a breakout of hostilities, I think the odds are against it.

Neil Howe & Peter Turchin, both pretty respected figures in their fields have made the prognosis that around the 2020s, the USA will undergo radical change, which most probably will translate into all-out civil war.
The video I linked above also makes a convincing case for civil conflict before 2030, but one could always be wrong.

 

[DeusLuxMeaEst]

These type of threads make no sense to me. As of right now the US is still way too rich to get involved in a civil war. There won’t be one, nor will there be succession of any kind. Things have to get a lot worse for it to even be on the table.

No it’s not inevitable, nobody knows the future. Also, I suspect, and you guys can confirm this, that some of you spend way too much time reading fear porn websites that put you in a bad state of mind. Both sides of the political spectrum manipulate you. I used to be the same back in 2016 and it didn’t help me mentally at all. Now I’m barely online at all.

Not sure where you guys live but in my town with tons of different people I tend to get along fine with most of them and the crime is almost nonexistent. So things are not as bad as people think.

 

[JCSteel]

Delete.

 

[MusicForThePiano]

These type of threads make no sense to me. As of right now the US is still way too rich to get involved in a civil war. There won’t be one, nor will there be succession of any kind. Things have to get a lot worse for it to even be on the table.

No it’s not inevitable, nobody knows the future. Also, I suspect, and you guys can confirm this, that some of you spend way too much time reading fear porn websites that put you in a bad state of mind. Both sides of the political spectrum manipulate you. I used to be the same back in 2016 and it didn’t help me mentally at all. Now I’m barely online at all.

Not sure where you guys live but in my town with tons of different people I tend to get along fine with most of them and the crime is almost nonexistent. So things are not as bad as people think.

I also don't think it's going to happen, and never along the lines that people project.

Fatmericans are too inundated with sportsball and poison goyslop to take up arms to fight for their own health and mental autonomy, let alone their spiritual truth from lies. How would anyone ever expect people of such a jewified mixed-race country stand together and fight to destroy the various opposing ideologies, let alone throw off their oppressors? They wouldn't even know what to stand for.

 

[paternos]

Total nonsense idea in my opinion.

As if anyone gives anything about "politics"? What loser, left or right, is the president?

Look a real revolution would be if people say, get away you satanist rulers, we don't pay a dime of taxes, we don't care about you at all. You are all rotten to the core. Get away.

Here the idea is primed that people really care our democracy and who wins. That's government propaganda.

People are disinterested in these losers. People don't believe in democracy and don't believe in these parties.

33% don't even show up to vote, they don't even take the time to go to voting booth, would they "fight"?

Maybe 5% is so riled up by TV, that they really think it is important, these are mostly "highly educated" people that sit all day behind their desk watching news.

And if the would "fight" they would fight each other, peasant vs peasant, instead of these financial and political elites that are robbing them daily.

I think the whole buzz around elections is to make us believe it really matters, that it's really important which puppet sits there, i don't think it does.

One crook or another. Both crooks.

Nothing will happen. Just propaganda.

 

[angel_n]

As of right now the US is still way too rich to get involved in a civil war. There won’t be one, nor will there be succession of any kind. Things have to get a lot worse for it to even be on the table.

The US does have a serious debt problem though. History shows that every time the US has huge debt spikes, it either goes to fight a war on foreign lands or there's internal conflict. There WILL be a moment in the coming years where the US government can no longer keep up with debt payments without debt monetization, causing hyperinflation.

Also, I suspect, and you guys can confirm this, that some of you spend way too much time reading fear porn websites that put you in a bad state of mind. Both sides of the political spectrum manipulate you. I used to be the same back in 2016 and it didn’t help me mentally at all. Now I’m barely online at all.

I also used to read much more online but for a year now, I've been off twitter and most social media platforms due to the toxicity.
However, the fact that societal frictions and political factionism are both rising quickly signal that there will be an instance, where a point-of-no-return is reached. If that time is this year, I can't say with certainty. I can only offer a prognosis.

Maybe 5% is so riled up by TV, that they really think it is important, these are mostly "highly educated" people that sit all day behind their desk watching news.

It only takes a dedicated, armed 3% of the population to effect lasting regime change in the US.

I also don't think it's going to happen, and never along the lines that people project.

As a European watching from a distance, I hope there is a way that the US works through it's issues and regains it's footing that doesn't involve large-scale death and a period of chaos, but I can't see a way the current regime willingly passes the baton onto the next class of elites.

 

[Iacobus]

I also don't think it's going to happen, and never along the lines that people project.

Fatmericans are too inundated with sportsball and poison goyslop to take up arms to fight for their own health and mental autonomy, let alone their spiritual truth from lies. How would anyone ever expect people of such a jewified mixed-race country stand together and fight to destroy the various opposing ideologies, let alone throw off their oppressors? They wouldn't even know what to stand for.

Yes people have to start losing food and shelter before they're going to be willing to risk it for the biscuit.

 

[DeusLuxMeaEst]

The US does have a serious debt problem though. History shows that every time the US has huge debt spikes, it either goes to fight a war on foreign lands or there's internal conflict. There WILL be a moment in the coming years where the US government can no longer keep up with debt payments without debt monetization, causing hyperinflation.

The only real internal conflict was the civil war. Inflation is a problem but even the last few years it’s been business as usual. I can drive to the hood and there are kids hanging on corners with iPhones and brand new sneakers. Homelessness is a problem but only in major cities. Poverty isn’t really real poverty in certain cities.

I also used to read much more online but for a year now, I've been off twitter and most social media platforms due to the toxicity.
However, the fact that societal frictions and political factionism are both rising quickly signal that there will be an instance, where a point-of-no-return is reached.

It’s not even close yet. We would need a black swan event such as a massive solar flare, natural disaster, or a foreign adversary detonating a nuclear weapon in the atmosphere causing an EMP. The US is still too wealthy and fat for any type of armed conflict. The people calling for it online are posers.

If that time is this year, I can't say with certainty. I can only offer a prognosis.
It only takes a dedicated, armed 3% of the population to effect lasting regime change in the US.

Nope. The Feds have informants in nearly every group that may potentially participate in any type of ‘uprising’ There is no legal mechanism for secession. Let’s take Texas. Large economy but a large percentage of their operating funds like 40% come from the federal government. Good luck making up that revenue. Let’s see what else? You think any company will stay there. Not a chance.

As a European watching from a distance, I hope there is a way that the US works through it's issues and regains it's footing that doesn't involve large-scale death and a period of chaos, but I can't see a way the current regime willingly passes the baton onto the next class of elites.

If we wiped out every television set and access to the media on a cell phone we would be better off. The news stations in Europe are just hyping up some chaotic event when it’s just business as usual. I swear if so had little social interaction I wouldn’t have even known Covid was happening. I’d be curious why everything was empty but the fearmongering was a scam. It’s the same thing now. The song remains the same.

 

[Samseau]

Not sure where you guys live but in my town with tons of different people I tend to get along fine with most of them and the crime is almost nonexistent. So things are not as bad as people think.

"It's fine in my town, therefore it's great everywhere else." Great logic. Very Christian to ignore your Neighbors.