US Border Crisis

Yes. In the 1970's my grandfather and uncles use to go off ad nauseum about the hispanics invading southern California. For as long as I can remember conservative white men have been complaining about and defining the illegal hispanic problem yet have stood by and done nothing. They just watched it happen for the last 50 years. Not only that, it was white conservative farmers in California that started this whole thing in the first place by hiring illegals to tend their fields. It's always been a weird hypocrisy with Republican men, they hated illegals but loved the money they made off of their presence here. 50 years ago white men owned almost every farm, construction, and landscaping business in America but they sold their souls to Mexicans for a quick buck.

The only way to truly rectify this situation that we created for ourselves, is to risk something and fight back. Though admittedly, I myself will not be joining the fight.
The love of money truly is the root of all evil. Unfortunately without harsh dictatorship and tyrannical methods this problem of hiring illegal hispanics or other foreigners will always persist. There is no way a democratic nation with multiple parties will ever come to a resolution that satisfies every party. In the case of the USA both major parties have become extremists with just too much to gain on just this one issue.

Democrats want to get rid of any semblance of old traditional, Christian, white, functioning american society and are currently housed of radicalized racists waiting in line to take over the big seats wjere they can do major damage to achieve their goals. All while thinking of themselves as the country's saviors from "evil whitey". But white replacement is just a myth, right?

Most republicans pretend to care about the common man but really only worry about making money and keeping money at the end of the day. If their fellow man isn't above a certain salary level then that person is nonexistant to them. It doesnt matter if it's a US citizen or some foreigner. But they'd give preferential employment to an illegal foreigner over a citizen just to pay them less without benefits, freely treat them like property in most cases, and stroke their own ego that they can let this person go at any time and easily replace them with another. A modern day slave master.

To entirely undo the ingrained mentality and mindset that has taken place regarding this immigration (and illegal hispanic) issue would take major cultural, social, criminal, legal, political, and financial reforms. Add to that the fact that they now are bold enough to freely publicly protest on foreign land in large groups and their numbers are exponentially growing both illegally and with anchor babies. Enough to continuously undo any change in the right direction.

If the USA wants to win this issue they need to employ the same tactics as the home countries these people fled from. Lawlessness, extreme violence, little democracy, and local iron fists.
 
Yes. In the 1970's my grandfather and uncles use to go off ad nauseum about the hispanics invading southern California. For as long as I can remember conservative white men have been complaining about and defining the illegal hispanic problem yet have stood by and done nothing. They just watched it happen for the last 50 years. Not only that, it was white conservative farmers in California that started this whole thing in the first place by hiring illegals to tend their fields. It's always been a weird hypocrisy with Republican men, they hated illegals but loved the money they made off of their presence here. 50 years ago white men owned almost every farm, construction, and landscaping business in America but they sold their souls to Mexicans for a quick buck.

The only way to truly rectify this situation that we created for ourselves, is to risk something and fight back. Though admittedly, I myself will not be joining the fight.
That’s the kind of thing that used to occur prior to the 1960s, when the right ostensibly still held institutional power. That requires a level of community organization (yes, the left understood the importance of that) that no longer exists as the left successfully stripped their political enemies of the right of peaceable assembly while retaining, promoting (and under those terms) and strengthening theirs. There are plenty of people who would do this, but they are now isolated by design and therefore not in a position to act.

What you would need is leadership in positions of power that does the reverse. This ultimately means law enforcement either actively supports the citizenry in action or tacitly supports them by turning a blind eye to what it does. Existing law enforcement does this for your enemies. So what I’m promoting is that existing leadership address that factor.
 
Dude nobody runs on these kinds of ideas. You run as a moderate and just do them when you get elected. That’s how a democracy works.

Ok let’s say you do that. You run as a moderate and then after decide to implement martial law, have the military patrol the cities, round up every illegal in the country and put them in detention centers for a quick deportation. Sounds like the most effective plan, in theory.

The question is how to do it practically on the ground. First, the media is not on our side. We don’t have the ability to silence them like Putin or whoever else. That means there will be videos and pics dropped nonstop. It will turn into a global propaganda war about the brutality of the US government.

Second, certain local and state governments will simply not comply. What happens then? Do you use the military to take over their local
PDs and force them to go after illegals?

Third, members of your own party will defect and call for it stop. Even guys like Rand Paul, who are as conservative as they come, have publicly stated that using the military is a terrible idea.

Fourth, you will give the liberals so much ammunition and play right into their narrative.

Here’s a parallel…

From 1965 to 2010 or so did anyone really think the Dems would turn into a trans story hour radical DEI party? If you ask most people they didn’t. They seemed reasonable in the Clinton years.

But what were they doing in the meantime? Were they on TV stating they wanted to chop off kids genitalia and replace the white population? No, what they were doing was gaining institutional power so they could implement their agenda. They slowly boiled the frog and nobody noticed. Once the takeover of institutions was complete, then they came out with the real radical stuff.

Same concept. The real agenda is project 2025. Look at what they say about immigration. They want to deport the illegals, but they need to do it without having it backfire. They also need to remake the federal government and retake the institutions. They slowly boil frog, and make the changes they want.
 
The way things are going on the border it's making me want to live in America. I love NZ deeply but we are still busy arguing about race here and are incredibly woke.

Where would I live near the coast or ocean (my only condition) that isn't California?
Florida, Louisiana (loved my time there) .....or does Texas have a coastal vibe?
 
The way things are going on the border it's making me want to live in America. I love NZ deeply but we are still busy arguing about race here and are incredibly woke.

Where would I live near the coast or ocean (my only condition) that isn't California?
Florida, Louisiana (loved my time there) .....or does Texas have a coastal vibe?
Florida is great.
 
Florida is great.

I've only every stayed in Tampa visiting a friend which was interesting but also kinda sucked, seemed quite boring.... but there seems to be some cool places in Florida that I didn't explore. Possibly the further down you go.

Apologies if this is probably the wrong thread. Not my intention to derail it.
 
Ok let’s say you do that. You run as a moderate and then after decide to implement martial law, have the military patrol the cities, round up every illegal in the country and put them in detention centers for a quick deportation. Sounds like the most effective plan, in theory.

The question is how to do it practically on the ground. First, the media is not on our side. We don’t have the ability to silence them like Putin or whoever else. That means there will be videos and pics dropped nonstop. It will turn into a global propaganda war about the brutality of the US government.

Second, certain local and state governments will simply not comply. What happens then? Do you use the military to take over their local
PDs and force them to go after illegals?

Third, members of your own party will defect and call for it stop. Even guys like Rand Paul, who are as conservative as they come, have publicly stated that using the military is a terrible idea.

Fourth, you will give the liberals so much ammunition and play right into their narrative.

Here’s a parallel…

From 1965 to 2010 or so did anyone really think the Dems would turn into a trans story hour radical DEI party? If you ask most people they didn’t. They seemed reasonable in the Clinton years.

But what were they doing in the meantime? Were they on TV stating they wanted to chop off kids genitalia and replace the white population? No, what they were doing was gaining institutional power so they could implement their agenda. They slowly boiled the frog and nobody noticed. Once the takeover of institutions was complete, then they came out with the real radical stuff.

Same concept. The real agenda is project 2025. Look at what they say about immigration. They want to deport the illegals, but they need to do it without having it backfire. They also need to remake the federal government and retake the institutions. They slowly boil frog, and make the changes they want.

I wish I could give every positive reaction possible to this post. I'm tired of hearing about unrealistic solutions and actions that will never actually happen, this line of thinking is how you succeed and fix the problems.
 
Ok let’s say you do that. You run as a moderate and then after decide to implement martial law, have the military patrol the cities, round up every illegal in the country and put them in detention centers for a quick deportation. Sounds like the most effective plan, in theory.

The question is how to do it practically on the ground. First, the media is not on our side. We don’t have the ability to silence them like Putin or whoever else. That means there will be videos and pics dropped nonstop. It will turn into a global propaganda war about the brutality of the US government.

Second, certain local and state governments will simply not comply. What happens then? Do you use the military to take over their local
PDs and force them to go after illegals?

Third, members of your own party will defect and call for it stop. Even guys like Rand Paul, who are as conservative as they come, have publicly stated that using the military is a terrible idea.

Fourth, you will give the liberals so much ammunition and play right into their narrative.

Here’s a parallel…

From 1965 to 2010 or so did anyone really think the Dems would turn into a trans story hour radical DEI party? If you ask most people they didn’t. They seemed reasonable in the Clinton years.

But what were they doing in the meantime? Were they on TV stating they wanted to chop off kids genitalia and replace the white population? No, what they were doing was gaining institutional power so they could implement their agenda. They slowly boiled the frog and nobody noticed. Once the takeover of institutions was complete, then they came out with the real radical stuff.

Same concept. The real agenda is project 2025. Look at what they say about immigration. They want to deport the illegals, but they need to do it without having it backfire. They also need to remake the federal government and retake the institutions. They slowly boil frog, and make the changes they want.
Yawn. So your big plan is to take a thousand years to go and march back through all the institutions that the left already marched through and right over in the last century? Bet they’ll never see that coming.

You have an issue with perspective and urgency. You are the frog, and they are the pot, not the other way around. They’ve been boiling you for a while now and you’re just about cooked through. If you sit in there and wait you are not going to be able to boil the pot, the pot is going to boil you. To save yourself you need to jump out, but that means you’re going to have to take a leap. Then you can turn off the heat, and remove the pot from the griddle.

I would agree with everything you said if we were in the USA twenty to thirty years ago. But things have decayed a lot since then, and the problem is time. The problem is time because of demographics, with which we are all familiar.

Even if you sealed the border today, you’d still have tens of millions of Mexicans alone still here, not counting however many other flavors of foreigner, all reproducing at an exponentially faster rate than the native population. You’ll live to see yourself become a minority. Good luck with your institutions then.

I haven’t seen anyone propose some absurd teenage fantasy like declaring martial law and running around like Bane in that Batman movie. I like to exaggerate and kid but come on. I’m promoting things that are certainly possible but that people simply don’t have the stomach for, and therein lies the real problem.

In this here USA we have: methodically killed roving bands of violent savages and marched their progeny onto little reservations; built big concentration camps and forced whole races of people to live in them to protect the native population; protected borders with violence including going to war to assert and enforce territorial claims; liberally applied capital punishment for various crimes against person and property by both legal and extralegal means; forcibly removed Mexicans living within US borders by the million using military style methods; and [many other noble things].

So you will say, that’s simply not grounded in reality in this political climate and this day and age. I respectfully disagree, and believe that men of determination and intelligence could engineer ways to go about the problem systematically while building increasing momentum. It wouldn’t all come at once, but that’s also with the understanding that we also don’t have decades to spare.

And yes, the media is priority one. It seems we agree on that.
 
Yawn. So your big plan is to take a thousand years to go and march back through all the institutions that the left already marched through and right over in the last century? Bet they’ll never see that coming.

You have an issue with perspective and urgency. You are the frog, and they are the pot, not the other way around. They’ve been boiling you for a while now and you’re just about cooked through. If you sit in there and wait you are not going to be able to boil the pot, the pot is going to boil you. To save yourself you need to jump out, but that means you’re going to have to take a leap. Then you can turn off the heat, and remove the pot from the griddle.

I would agree with everything you said if we were in the USA twenty to thirty years ago. But things have decayed a lot since then, and the problem is time. The problem is time because of demographics, with which we are all familiar.

Even if you sealed the border today, you’d still have tens of millions of Mexicans alone still here, not counting however many other flavors of foreigner, all reproducing at an exponentially faster rate than the native population. You’ll live to see yourself become a minority. Good luck with your institutions then.

I haven’t seen anyone propose some absurd teenage fantasy like declaring martial law and running around like Bane in that Batman movie. I like to exaggerate and kid but come on. I’m promoting things that are certainly possible but that people simply don’t have the stomach for, and therein lies the real problem.

In this here USA we have: methodically killed roving bands of violent savages and marched their progeny onto little reservations; built big concentration camps and forced whole races of people to live in them to protect the native population; protected borders with violence including going to war to assert and enforce territorial claims; liberally applied capital punishment for various crimes against person and property by both legal and extralegal means; forcibly removed Mexicans living within US borders by the million using military style methods; and [many other noble things].

So you will say, that’s simply not grounded in reality in this political climate and this day and age. I respectfully disagree, and believe that men of determination and intelligence could engineer ways to go about the problem systematically while building increasing momentum. It wouldn’t all come at once, but that’s also with the understanding that we also don’t have decades to spare.

And yes, the media is priority one. It seems we agree on that.

I respect your drive but brother those examples you mentioned in a different time and world were not when half the country had the direct opposite goals.
 
Yawn. So your big plan is to take a thousand years to go and march back through all the institutions that the left already marched through and right over in the last century? Bet they’ll never see that coming.

You have an issue with perspective and urgency. You are the frog, and they are the pot, not the other way around. They’ve been boiling you for a while now and you’re just about cooked through. If you sit in there and wait you are not going to be able to boil the pot, the pot is going to boil you. To save yourself you need to jump out, but that means you’re going to have to take a leap. Then you can turn off the heat, and remove the pot from the griddle.

I would agree with everything you said if we were in the USA twenty to thirty years ago. But things have decayed a lot since then, and the problem is time. The problem is time because of demographics, with which we are all familiar.

Even if you sealed the border today, you’d still have tens of millions of Mexicans alone still here, not counting however many other flavors of foreigner, all reproducing at an exponentially faster rate than the native population. You’ll live to see yourself become a minority. Good luck with your institutions then.

I haven’t seen anyone propose some absurd teenage fantasy like declaring martial law and running around like Bane in that Batman movie. I like to exaggerate and kid but come on. I’m promoting things that are certainly possible but that people simply don’t have the stomach for, and therein lies the real problem.

In this here USA we have: methodically killed roving bands of violent savages and marched their progeny onto little reservations; built big concentration camps and forced whole races of people to live in them to protect the native population; protected borders with violence including going to war to assert and enforce territorial claims; liberally applied capital punishment for various crimes against person and property by both legal and extralegal means; forcibly removed Mexicans living within US borders by the million using military style methods; and [many other noble things].

So you will say, that’s simply not grounded in reality in this political climate and this day and age. I respectfully disagree, and believe that men of determination and intelligence could engineer ways to go about the problem systematically while building increasing momentum. It wouldn’t all come at once, but that’s also with the understanding that we also don’t have decades to spare.

And yes, the media is priority one. It seems we agree on that.

We are generations away from any of this happening.

As long as the USA is #1, there will not be any stomach for revolution. You and I may see the big picture, but others will not and we must respect that out of love for our Neighbor. Be patient and be prepared for long-suffering. Someday our time will come.
 
We are generations away from any of this happening.

As long as the USA is #1, there will not be any stomach for revolution. You and I may see the big picture, but others will not and we must respect that out of love for our Neighbor. Be patient and be prepared for long-suffering. Someday our time will come.
When a country defends the integrity of its borders it is a revolution?
 
Taco guard deploys to the border.
Full text:
Mexico deployed National Guard to the border following talks between Trump and Mexican president Claudia Sheinbaum
Just hours after having a dialogue and a compromise conversation, the Mexican president has deployed the first quantity of national guardsmen to the Tijuana border, to combat the organize crime and decrease the flow of illegal migration and straighten the authorities to help to combat fentanyl. Around 500 active national guardsmen arrive today to the border of Tijuana.
 
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