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US Border Crisis
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Fake news! I do play games. I play the greatest of games. I Will Make America Golf Again. #MAGA
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Honestly the ice agents need to cone to nyc. Hide by the recycling bags on trash pick up day. The refugees rip the recycling open to take dome out to recycle. Easy arrests
Immigration lswyer offices are good too
No I didn’t. I don’t have time to sift through every article someone posts.
This doesn’t really change the issue, that all or most of these EOs are likely going to be challenged through the deeply corrupted US judiciary and Trump will likely lose on most of these fronts. This is because the judiciary has long-since bestowed upon itself the power to “say what the law is” (and everyone just let that slide) and the judges in the key systems are either leftists or John Roberts style, milquetoast pushovers. If anything, the Supreme Court will deny cert or otherwise kick the can to Congress if they don’t want to take heat on any issues they think the public supports but they want to rule against, or vice versa. So the question remains: when that happens, will this president just lie down and roll over?
We already know the answer to that, because we’ve been through four years of this already, which resulted in Biden. These executive orders are Trump attempting to clean up a mess he should have taken care of in his first term. Day 1 had some nice symbolic gestures, but let’s be realistic here. There isn’t a political solution to the problems that face us. If the president actually wants to effectuate a positive, and permanent change, he should understand and be prepared for that. Anything else is just for show.
There are. Certain local businesses are also corrupt and pay off the police to operate as they see fit. Think about it, if a company is hiring illegals giving the police shares of the profits makes sure they turn a blind eye. That’s true it is a federal matter, but without local eyes on the ground ICE and the Feds are mostly running blind.
They won’t. They are worded much better this time to face legal scrutiny. The only one that is being challenged so far is the birthright citizenship one.
Not really. Alito, Thomas, and Gorsuch, are near pure originalists. Kavanaugh, Roberts, and Barrett lean right. We don’t know how they will rule on this issue, but most people give guys like Robert’s a bad rap because of a few key decisions. That’s because the media highlights those. Over the past few decades around 40-50% of cases have been unanimous. That means all the justices both liberal and conservative have agreed.
Maybe or maybe not. They ruled on overturning Roe, which was widely unpopular with the left.
Then you are looking for a dictator, not a president. That’s not how our system works. Again how were his EOs symbolic? Which ones besides the birthright one are being stopped?
I would bet they will be. We’re not even a week in. I maintain cautious optimism but regardless, it’s just a Band-Aid on an evisceration wound. The EO game has been played out for a good while now, and any of these can be wiped out in an election cycle.
You mean they support the three-fifths clause and only men having voting rights? What does being an “originalist” even mean in 2025? If the entire Bill of Rights was repealed by legitimate constitutional means, an originalist would uphold that and enforce it. Same with any other insane amendments made.
“Our system” doesn’t work for me. It’s their system, and has been for a while. Frankly, I don’t care what kind of system we have, just as long as it is not immoral, supports me, my family, and my nation. I’m not here to defend a system that doesn’t defend me. Whatever system you think you’re defending or are trying to save is long dead. That system has been mutilated beyond recognition and doesn’t serve you, but works against you. My forebears recognized when the system which governed them was no longer beneficial to them and they threw it off and started anew. The modern system is the design and under the control of those who wish me harm, I’m not going to defend it.
Regarding the EOs, I see them as sort of an offering for his supporters and something that has generated a media spectacle where he can say that he kept his promises, to show that he “did something” even if nothing will be permanent or consequential in the broad scope of things. Will there be long-term institutional reform in the best interests of Americans? I think it’s great he issued them, I just don’t see the guy as a real fighter and don’t believe he’d make any sacrifices outside of self interest. He loves the applause.
And yes, I want someone who is willing to get his hands dirty. This is not your system, and you aren’t going to win while playing by someone else’s rules. That’s not the way the system works.
JR5
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Let’s do the math.
Biden let in an estimated 20 million illegals* during his term.
Trump’s term of 4 years equals 1,460 days.
20,000,000 illegals / 1,460 days = Trump would have to deport 13,700 illegal each and every day of his term JUST TO GET TO 2020 BASELINE, when there were already another 20-50 million illegals to deport.
What you’re starting to see in the media regarding ICE deportations is a goyslop media narrative for suckers.
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*Per an MSM “fact check”:
"During a Sept. 13 campaign rally in Las Vegas, Nevada, former President Donald Trump claimed 21 million people have been let into the U.S. under incumbent President Joe Biden’s administration.
Verdict: Misleading"
For a "misleading" verdict by a so-called "fact check" globohomo organization means it's probably double that in actuality, to be honest:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...r-the-biden-harris-administration/ar-AA1qMiXH
Biden let in an estimated 20 million illegals* during his term.
Trump’s term of 4 years equals 1,460 days.
20,000,000 illegals / 1,460 days = Trump would have to deport 13,700 illegal each and every day of his term JUST TO GET TO 2020 BASELINE, when there were already another 20-50 million illegals to deport.
What you’re starting to see in the media regarding ICE deportations is a goyslop media narrative for suckers.
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*Per an MSM “fact check”:
"During a Sept. 13 campaign rally in Las Vegas, Nevada, former President Donald Trump claimed 21 million people have been let into the U.S. under incumbent President Joe Biden’s administration.
Verdict: Misleading"
For a "misleading" verdict by a so-called "fact check" globohomo organization means it's probably double that in actuality, to be honest:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...r-the-biden-harris-administration/ar-AA1qMiXH
Yeah at this rate they won't even be making a dent. How many tens of millions are here illegally?
They're going to need a LOT more agents, and resources. They also need to get people to self deport. Cut off gibs. Prosecute employers. Prosecute and dismantle NGOs. Go after politicians who are protecting them.
This is a start, but they're going to have do more, way more.
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Yep. The traditional estimate is about 11 million, but the real number is unknown. It’s probably double that. I highly doubt that 20 million we’re let in by Biden alone. 20 million is probably the total number in the US, and inline with approximately DOUBLE the thrown around 11 million number. California, Texas, and Florida probably have the most illegal aliens.
So will all these people be deported? I highly doubt that. The numbers I’m seeing is 1 million in year 1, BUT numbers are also deceiving.
Tom Homan has outlined this point. Dems claim Biden deported a huge number in 2024, but those were mainly border arrests. The number we want to focus on is internal removals. These are the aliens that are already here and are being removed.
Bingo.
The problem is such that it would require an all hands on deck, balls to the wall, scorched earth approach that involved massive resources and mobilization of forces, in multiple capacities. A big part would be getting people to self deport by removing any and all incentives for being here, on top of the threat of prison and whatever else would be appropriate. This would mean going extremely hard against employers who utilize this labor force (start with construction, corporate farms, and restaurants) and making an example of a few of them as a warning to the rest (not just driving them out of business and rendering them destitute, but giving them long prison sentences and utilizing creative charges to do so). Big concentration camps for The Deported to be used as holding, internment, and staging areas like they had in WW2. There certainly is a way, there just isn’t a will possessed by those who have the means to pull it off. And that just involves the illegal problem, notwithstanding the rest.
Trump is an entertainer and he’s putting on a show to appease his supporters. I’ll always give a thumbs up when there is news of some burrito bandito going back from wherever they came from. I appreciate the gestures made by the new administration, as we wouldn’t be getting that from anyone else (declaring the cartels terrorist organizations is a nice inroad into something that could be much bigger). But as you outlined the basic numbers problem, if this was a serious effort to get rid of these parasites, there would be contractors building prison camps along the border and a massive campaign to recruit and train personnel to assist in a deportation campaign. There would be financial crackdowns, boots in the street, and Black Marias scooting around every city.
This administration will give us headlines and put up some (likely inflated) numbers they can reference to promote themselves and pacify their audience, but there won’t be a dent in the problem without something like I outlined. And as I’ve said a few times now, that means rolling your sleeves up and playing in the mud. This would require a zealot at the helm (speaking colloquially - not referring to the Jew variety), not a TV personality.
El Dorado
Other Christian
I was discussing this with somebody the other day. I got to thinking about the USN's amphibious assault ships like the Tarawa and Wasp classes. (I think @Get2choppaaa deployed on USS Wasp) From what I've read, those ships can carry around 1,700 Marines, not including the actual crew. If there are any older hulls which are decommissioned yet still afloat, I wonder if it would be possible to gut them of their military hardware and refit them as floating detention facilities, kind of like the old floating 'prison hulks' from the Age of Sail. Far more secure, with less chance of escape than some camp with just chain-link fencing and barbed wire.
If there are any older hulls which are decommissioned yet still afloat, I wonder if it would be possible to gut them of their military hardware and refit them as floating detention facilities, kind of like the old floating 'prison hulks' from the Age of Sail. Far more secure, with less chance of escape than some camp with just chain-link fencing and barbed wire.
National Defense Reserve Fleet - Wikipedia
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