The Success / Destruction of Modern Men

[stadtaffe]

I was trying to find a thread to post in called "the war on men" and this was the closest I found. Not sure if it belongs here but here we go..

There is a fundamental lie in the West, that women are equal to men, but have just been discriminated against throughout history.

Just like the leftist lie that blacks are equal to whites and would indeed have been creating innovations in society at the same rate if it were not for racism.

Men are superior to women in achievement in the world of careers and business although they are deemed to be equal to women.

So a situation follows on from that whereby the total male population in any given western country is paying a larger percentage of the total taxes collected than the female population, although the proportion of males and females is close to fifty-fifty.

Of course any single mum in the West can draw upon those taxes and so raise her children alone from the contributions of all men, not just the father.

I just needed to point out that this lie about women being equal to men when in many ways they are inferior, or at least better at other areas in life, has nasty consequences and flow on effects.

 

[Lawrence87]

I just needed to point out that this lie about women being equal to men when in many ways they are inferior, or at least better at other areas in life, has nasty consequences and flow on effects.

The idea of equality between the sexes is absurd, as is to some degree the idea of superiority or inferiority.

Are flowers equal to bees? Are bees better than flowers or vice versa? The reality is that both exist in ways that complement each other. Flowers can't pollenate themselves and bees can't produce their own nectar. If you have a similar view on men and women then we actually complement on another. Sure men are better at a lot of things than women, but without women's superiority in let's say caregiving, then men would not be able to excel in the ways that they do. Pitting men and women against one another is entirely of the devil. We are supposed to compliment one another

 

[Lawrence87]

One thing that society does which is part of the war on masculinity is the removal of agency. Everything is a disorder, an addiction. You can't just stop eating junk you have an addiction etc. The programming being that you can't just decide to get your s**t together because the problem is outside of your control. You can't just stop worrying, you have an anxiety disorder. Clearly all of this is because our society greatly fears disciplined men.

Sadly it does even come up among men who are consciously trying to improve themselves. The discussion about pornography and masturbation is all phrases like "the urge was too strong... Porn has really damaged my brain... I just can't stop" But the reality is that you watch porn and masturbate because you wanted to. That's it. You might not consistently want to, much of the time you might actually hate it, but in the moment, you did it because you wanted to. This idea that we are hijacked by some external force is just a cope and it is planted by the forces that want to emasculate us.

They want a nation of men who think they can't stop cooming because if we think we have zero agency in the little things we certainly won't take grasp of the bigger things. The biggest first step for a lot of men in this warfare is: just stop watching porn. You can do it. Throw the conditioning that says "muh urges" in the bin and just stop.

 

[Samseau]

One thing that society does which is part of the war on masculinity is the removal of agency. Everything is a disorder, an addiction. You can't just stop eating junk you have an addiction etc. The programming being that you can't just decide to get your s**t together because the problem is outside of your control. You can't just stop worrying, you have an anxiety disorder. Clearly all of this is because our society greatly fears disciplined men.

Sadly it does even come up among men who are consciously trying to improve themselves. The discussion about pornography and masturbation is all phrases like "the urge was too strong... Porn has really damaged my brain... I just can't stop" But the reality is that you watch porn and masturbate because you wanted to. That's it. You might not consistently want to, much of the time you might actually hate it, but in the moment, you did it because you wanted to. This idea that we are hijacked by some external force is just a cope and it is planted by the forces that want to emasculate us.

They want a nation of men who think they can't stop cooming because if we think we have zero agency in the little things we certainly won't take grasp of the bigger things. The biggest first step for a lot of men in this warfare is: just stop watching porn. You can do it. Throw the conditioning that says "muh urges" in the bin and just stop.

Even if it is the case that we lack the strength to resist our urges, with God it is still possible to resist. But first one must put their faith in God, and so the problem always comes down to a lack of faith.

 

[Lawrence87]

Even if it is the case that we lack the strength to resist our urges, with God it is still possible to resist. But first one must put their faith in God, and so the problem always comes down to a lack of faith.

Faith is important of course, but I don't think God gives irresistible temptations. If we give in to them its on us.

 

[Samseau]

Faith is important of course, but I don't think God gives irresistible temptations. If we give in to them its on us.

Satan is stronger than us, and without God we will lose. The temptations are simply demonic forces that dominated the world, until Christ came to free us from them.

However, this does not completely negate your point. Not all temptations are irresistible demonic forces. Certainly, not all porn needs God to be resisted. But, there is a point in all of our lives where we WILL be tempted beyond what we can handle, whether it is with wrath, greed, fear, or lust, and without calling on God for help, we WILL fail.

 

[Lawrence87]

Satan is stronger than us, and without God we will lose. The temptations are simply demonic forces that dominated the world, until Christ came to free us from them.

However, this does not completely negate your point. Not all temptations are irresistible demonic forces. Certainly, not all porn needs God to be resisted. But, there is a point in all of our lives where we WILL be tempted beyond what we can handle, whether it is with wrath, greed, fear, or lust, and without calling on God for help, we WILL fail.

Agreed. My angle on it is that God permits temptations but He doesn't permit them without giving us the exit from them.

And the calling on God is necessary, but its still something we have in our control. If we don't take the exit from temptation its on us

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

It's good to see this thread. It balances out the other thread. I don't like putting all the blame on women. Adam tried to put all the blame on Eve despite being guilty himself. There's a lesson to be learned there.

Men fulfill their God-ordained role by embodying the qualities of Jesus Christ. They must be faithful, selfless, honest, responsible, humble, strong, wise, steadfast, loyal, determined, disciplined, etc. If someone does not embody these qualities, they are not a real man. Go to a Democrat party convention and try to find anyone who embodies any of these qualities.

Men have fallen for the satanic definition of what men should be because it's what the culture, and the world propagates: faithless, selfish, irresponsible, deceptive, cowardly, unnappeasible, greedy, lustful, gluttonous, prideful, etc. It's a reversion back to paganism.

By pitting the sexes against each other, Satan is able to pick them off one by one. But God created the sexes to be complementary to each other. Anything that serves to undermine the complementarian nature of the sexes must be destroyed in order for men to be men and for women to be women.

 

[Blade Runner]

I don't like putting all the blame on women. Adam tried to put all the blame on Eve despite being guilty himself. There's a lesson to be learned there.

Even on that thread, in which guys post a lot of stuff, funny or serious or otherwise, in no way have I seen that men "put all the blame on women." I would bet that most have come to the same conclusion that I have, which is that if you just do the math and experiments as we have done, you see that women don't really have agency (they are more like kids in a candy store, who you wouldn't "blame" necessarily for becoming sick).

Adam did try to blame Eve in some fashion, and wasn't totally wrong, but he was shirking responsibility for sure. The difference now is that it's hard to blame men for acting rationally when women are really providing zero in terms of marriage prospects. Of course they are to blame, unless you want to marry a woman who is old, get sloppy 32nds, maybe not have kids, and deal with nagging and the law. I guess that's men's fault, huh? That's the lesson to be learned. The other thread is about how for the purposes of marriage and family formation, you either blame the culture, or blame the women. Not every and all women, of course. We've been through this. They are the gatekeeper, and that's why they were attacked, indeed.

Men have fallen for the satanic definition of what men should be because it's what the culture, and the world propagates: faithless, selfish, irresponsible, deceptive, cowardly, unnappeasible, greedy, lustful, gluttonous, prideful, etc. It's a reversion back to paganism.

Some have. Still, if women don't allow men to have sex with them, or are alpha widowed, or want a career over children, men are by definition locked out. I haven't heard a counter to this. Why? There isn't one.

By pitting the sexes against each other, Satan is able to pick them off one by one.

My point exactly. And his representatives are doing it one show, one movie, one social media reel at a time. And wringing their hands, laughing.

 

[Matsufubu]

Women have been handed authority, but no accountability. Men have been stripped of authority, but keep the accountability. This is unsustainable. The way I see it, there are three possible outcomes to this:

1. Women hand back authority and go back to the way it was (not going to happen).
2. Women step up and be held accountable for their choices, and by doing so learn how to make the right choices because consequences are now a thing (TPTB will not allow this to happen).
3. Society collapses and natural law reasserts itself, painfully.

 

[Let God Arise]

Women have been handed authority, but no accountability. Men have been stripped of authority, but keep the accountability. This is unsustainable. The way I see it, there are three possible outcomes to this:

1. Women hand back authority and go back to the way it was (not going to happen).
2. Women step up and be held accountable for their choices, and by doing so learn how to make the right choices because consequences are now a thing (TPTB will not allow this to happen).
3. Society collapses and natural law reasserts itself, painfully.

Natural law can quickly become the law of the jungle, which we’re seeing already in the UK and the EU with the barbarian hordes.

 

[Samseau]

Some have. Still, if women don't allow men to have sex with them, or are alpha widowed, or want a career over children, men are by definition locked out. I haven't heard a counter to this. Why? There isn't one.

The counter is they die alone and miserable. 99.99% of women cannot stand being alone.

 

[Blade Runner]

The counter is they die alone and miserable. 99.99% of women cannot stand being alone.

I understand your point, but the issue is that since they can't see the big picture, they don't find out the reality until it's way too late. We've done the experiment and instead of listening to older people, following their example, or just looking around or using any analysis, women find themselves in vast numbers being alone and single anyway (in the west at least).

 

[Samseau]

I understand your point, but the issue is that since they can't see the big picture, they don't find out the reality until it's way too late. We've done the experiment and instead of listening to older people, following their example, or just looking around or using any analysis, women find themselves in vast numbers being alone and single anyway (in the west at least).

Looks like natural selection to me, the bad trees are cursed to wither and die, and good trees produce much fruit. Women who do not obey men aren't going to exist in 100 years from now.

 

[Blade Runner]

Looks like natural selection to me, the bad trees are cursed to wither and die, and good trees produce much fruit. Women who do not obey men aren't going to exist in 100 years from now.

Since we lived far longer where this in fact was the case (almost the entirety of human history), it seems like it's not possible to change that part of "human nature." We disagree here, the problem is that you have nothing to point to that suggests you'll be right. If I'm missing something, please point it out.

 

[Samseau]

Since we lived far longer where this in fact was the case (almost the entirety of human history), it seems like it's not possible to change that part of "human nature."

Not at all, and this has happened before, such as the collapse of the Roman empire, or Spartan empire, etc. A massive dive in birthrates followed by a culling is a regular happening.

It's that part of the Bible that says, "Men will rule over you," - the ones who disobey just go extinct, which is what we are seeing in real time.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

All of these satanic movements are anti-life and pro-death at the end of the day. Wisdom says "whoever hates me, loves death." You needn't concern yourself with people who are bringing about their own demise. Don't worry about the sluts who don't want a family. Just worry about yourself.

All of these movements (Marxism, Feminism, Queerism, Abortionism, etc,) rely on the status quo. They cannot perpetuate themselves naturally so they need to convert sane people to their insanity. The only thing you need to worry about is that you're not feeding into any of their deathstyles.

Do not fornicate. If you do, then you have no ground to stand on when you bemoan the anti-family culture of the world, you have become part of the problem.
Do not let the perverts brainwash your son into thinking that he's really a girl. Get your kids out of the public indoctrination system.
Do not let them compromise you and get you to buy in to their agenda in any way. Give the devil an inch and he'll take a mile.

We need good leaders to sever the ties between the regenerate and the degenerates, so that the godly are not swept up in the inevitable self-destruction of the degenerates. What we pay into the system should not be funding their wanton degeneracy in anyway.

 

[Lawrence87]

I would be interested to hear people's thoughts about the internet and its effect on men. What are the pros and cons? Has it been a net positive or a negative for men and for society in general?

I am kinda leaning on it being a negative for men. Even excluding the effect of dating apps and porn, its way too easy to become pacified by the internet. To watch content that you agree with and to feel like being active on X is being genuinely active.

I think we forgot how to be bored and how to cope with boredom effectively. We have become mesmerised by a storm of content.

On fasting days I am thinking about switching off everything, riding out the impulse to doom scroll, purposefully do nothing until I feel genuinely bored and then read a book or do some drawing or something. I don't even know if I would manage to ride out the impulse, but I think it would be something I can train myself to do.

 

[Blade Runner]

Not at all, and this has happened before, such as the collapse of the Roman empire, or Spartan empire, etc. A massive dive in birthrates followed by a culling is a regular happening.

It's that part of the Bible that says, "Men will rule over you," - the ones who disobey just go extinct, which is what we are seeing in real time.

The problem is that all of these behaviors came back. Thus, they are intrinsic to who we are as (base) human beings. You are proving my point - none of these "predispositions" actually went extinct - not sure why you don't see this.

 

[Blade Runner]

We need good leaders to sever the ties between the regenerate and the degenerates, so that the godly are not swept up in the inevitable self-destruction of the degenerates. What we pay into the system should not be funding their wanton degeneracy in anyway.

I totally agree, the problem is that when the society becomes to affluent (apparently), crazy (enfranchising women and maternal, fake and sick governments), and the reality is that the status quo affects at least 80% of all people and definitely 98% of women, many good men get locked out of the thing that is most likely their life path: marriage and family formation.

I get that in time it will balance, but that doesn't help guys on the forum much right now, which is why we are here. Ultimately, whether you have kids or not, it is true, is not important compared to loving God and enduring to be "made well" but it's a tough aspect to deal with, the fulfillment of sex and legacy.