The Movie Thread

A quick shout out to 28 Days Later, which I just watched again.

The opening scene is really disturbing; the following scene where we meet main character Jim is haunting and really sets a tone. Overall a great intro to a zombie horror movie.

Avoiding any spoilers, it gets kind of retarded in the second half (if you've seen it, you know what I mean) but the first part is as good as any zombie fare out there.



 
Focus on older movies, as they used flight-capable replicas and even genuine WW2 aircraft, not CGI slop. And stick to the Pacific theater to avoid fratricide glorification.
Best of both (IMO) is the 1970 movie: Tora! Tora! Tora!
I highly recommend Dam Busters (1954), which is closely based on a true story from WW2 set in the European theater. It's a real gem with some great models for on-screen effects and the plot focuses on solving real-world physics and engineering problems. Very few chicks in the flick, but has one very special dog as a mascot :)
 
Prometheus and Covenant were hot garbage. There's an interesting thematic connection that ties them to the original Alien and Blade Runner, but overall, they're not good.

I recommend you watch Romulus. It was pretty good, a spectacle in the theater.

Thanks for sharing. Romulus was a refreshing joy. The girls just couldn't catch a break towards the end!
 
Thanks for sharing. Romulus was a refreshing joy. The girls just couldn't catch a break towards the end!

Agreed Romulus was a surprise for me. When I first saw the cast, I thought it'd be another woke, girl-boss Hollyweird crap. They even had the tough-looking Asian girl with the bald head and the usual white-girl/black guy duo. But it turned out to be quite entertaining because it had none of the woke-stuff. Even the relationship between the white girl & black guy was one of brother/sister. It was also a very nice tribute to the first 2 Alien movies. Enjoyed it.
 
Cross-posting this from another thread.

I guess I've never seen this movie. Crazy!
It's become a classic coming of age film that Francis Ford Coppola made in 1982, where he scoured the nation for all the best young male actors, and a couple of girls. It's based on a novel that a girl (S.E. Hinton) who was in high school in Tulsa, Oklahoma wrote around 1962, where the school was divided between to different socioeconomic classes, the greasers and the soc's (sew-shuhs), who lived on different sides of town, but mixed at school, often fought it out in the mean streets of Tulsa. It's interesting that a 16 y.o. girl wrote all her main characters as male.

S.E. Hinton wrote a few novels with similar themes that were adapted into movies. They feature older siblings who had to fill the role of absent parents and coming of age among friends with different backgrounds.

Tex (1982) starring Matt Dillon and Emilio Estevez
The Outsiders (1983) starring Matt Dillon, Emilio Estevez, Ralph Macchio, C. Thomas Howell, Tom Cruise, Diane Lane, Rob Lowe, Patrick Swayze
Rumble Fish (1983) was filmed at the same time and with the same cast as The Outsiders.
That Was Then... This Is Now (1985) starring Emilio Estevez

Out of all of these, The Outsiders is the best, but avoid the 90 minute theatrical release version and instead go for the 114 minute "The Complete Novel" version that was released in 2005.
 
I highly recommend Dam Busters (1954), which is closely based on a true story from WW2 set in the European theater. It's a real gem with some great models for on-screen effects and the plot focuses on solving real-world physics and engineering problems. Very few chicks in the flick, but has one very special dog as a mascot :)
I remember a BBC interview of Colin Powell where he was asked about his favourite war films. He replied that his favourite was The Dambuaters. The interviewer said that they couldn't make it today and Powell asked why. The reporter then mumbled about the dogs name and Colin Powell just laughed at him. Different times.
 
I remember a BBC interview of Colin Powell where he was asked about his favourite war films. He replied that his favourite was The Dambuaters. The interviewer said that they couldn't make it today and Powell asked why. The reporter then mumbled about the dogs name and Colin Powell just laughed at him. Different times.
That is hilarious! I didn't know Powell was into this film; it's one of the best. In the film, the dog name thing comes across as totally innocent and matter of fact.
 
...I got my wife to binge watch Alien, Aliens, (she loved Alien & Aliens btw, it was her 1st time watching) and then eventually Promethus....

You and your wife have good taste.

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Speaking of the Alien franchise, this is good opportunity to remind myself (and others here, why not) to ask these questions when considering a movie to watch:
  1. Is this the theatrical cut or the extended / director's version? (the common default option on most streaming services is the theatrical cut).
  2. Which one is superior? (usually but not always, it's the extended / director's version)
I'll highlight some differences using the example of Aliens (1986), a personal favorite of mine. It is widely recognized as one of the GOAT sci-fi action films, and is rated 8.4 on IMDB.

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The Special Edition of Aliens is an extended version of the 1986 film, first released on the Aliens: Special Collector's Edition LaserDisc in 1991.[1] It adds several new scenes to the film, including glimpses of life at the Hadley's Hope colony before it is overrun by the Xenomorphs, expanding the run time by around 17 minutes. Its creation was overseen by Aliens director James Cameron.
^ Source, which includes a comprehensive breakdown of the special edition.

This is a video-based commentary video that discusses some pros/cons of the special edition. For example, the loss of the gun turret scene in the theatrical release reduces the level of tension in a (still) gripping part of the movie.


Below is a three-part compilation of cut scenes. Note that some parts include 'deleted scenes' which aren't included in the special edition.









Guys, what's your take on the theatrical cut versus the special edition of Aliens?

Also, have you seen other movies that are significantly enhanced with the extended version, or instead are actually more entertaining as the shorter, theatrical cut?
 
Also, have you seen other movies that are significantly enhanced with the extended version, or instead are actually more entertaining as the shorter, theatrical cut?
Coppola's extended versions of Apocalypse Now and The Outsiders are superior to the theatrical releases and reinvigorated two great films for new audiences.

I'm probably in the minority in this opinion, but I thought that, although It's initial release was notable for sci-fi to have such an elegant cast and serious treatment, similar to Ridley Scott's Alien (1979), the re-release of Scott's Blade Runner without narration in 1992 revealed that the film had not held up well because it was so dark, moody and pessimistic, and that, yet again, similar to Alien, repeated viewings made plot holes and poorly acted scenes more prominent and less forgivable.
 
Coppola's extended versions of Apocalypse Now and The Outsiders are superior to the theatrical releases and reinvigorated two great films for new audiences.

I'm probably in the minority in this opinion, but I thought that, although It's initial release was notable for sci-fi to have such an elegant cast and serious treatment, similar to Ridley Scott's Alien (1979), the re-release of Scott's Blade Runner without narration in 1992 revealed that the film had not held up well because it was so dark, moody and pessimistic, and that, yet again, similar to Alien, repeated viewings made plot holes and poorly acted scenes more prominent and less forgivable.

Apocalypse Now directors cut isn't just a movie, it's an experience.

Reading about the insanity on set and how Sheen's alcoholism was used in that memorable scene is just incredible whilst he thought the trip might've cured him. And then you had Brando's narcissism how he wanted to re write Coppola's script etc...

Now come to think of it someone's made a video about it:

 
Apocalypse Now directors cut isn't just a movie, it's an experience.

Reading about the insanity on set and how Sheen's alcoholism was used in that memorable scene is just incredible whilst he thought the trip might've cured him.
You can add the Heart of Darkness documentary about the making & filming by Coppola's reposed wife for even more insights to the insanity of the shooting.

This was the first anti-Vietnam War film ever made although, because post-production ran so long, it was not the first released.

Deer Hunter & Go Tell the Spartans beat it to the silver screen in 1978.
 
You can add the Heart of Darkness documentary about the making & filming by Coppola's reposed wife for even more insights to the insanity of the shooting.

This was the first anti-Vietnam War film ever made although, because post-production ran so long, it was not the first released.

Deer Hunter & Go Tell the Spartans beat it to the silver screen in 1978.

Just hearing the name "Deer Hunter" brings back some memories.

Who's even remotely making films like that anymore? RIP Michael Cimino.
 
Cross-posting this from another thread.


It's become a classic coming of age film that Francis Ford Coppola made in 1982, where he scoured the nation for all the best young male actors, and a couple of girls. It's based on a novel that a girl (S.E. Hinton) who was in high school in Tulsa, Oklahoma wrote around 1962, where the school was divided between to different socioeconomic classes, the greasers and the soc's (sew-shuhs), who lived on different sides of town, but mixed at school, often fought it out in the mean streets of Tulsa. It's interesting that a 16 y.o. girl wrote all her main characters as male.

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Out of all of these, The Outsiders is the best, but avoid the 90 minute theatrical release version and instead go for the 114 minute "The Complete Novel" version that was released in 2005.

The Outsiders has an all-star cast, one of the things that make this film a cult classic. Matt Dillon is perfect for this role, and his flirtation with Cherry at the drive-in theater is unforgettable. I also love seeing Tom Cruise in his younger days, and although he has a very small part, he is still magnetic in his scenes.

The other reason this film has such a rabid fan base is the direction. You never hear The Outsiders mentioned as one of Coppola's best directorial efforts, but I believe that's because it's not an Oscar-winning movie. However, if you stuck any regular Joe in there to direct it, the end product would not have been nearly as good. It's Coppola's choice to use that "Gone With The Wind" romantic lighting and stylization that made this film so special.

What holds this film back from being truly great is the script. A better screenplay would've made this movie one of his best films. However, it feels a bit disjointed in parts where Pony and Johnny leave town and it has a plot hole in the scene with the church catching on fire with children inside. While not a bad script, it's merely pedestrian and Coppola got the best he could get out of it on screen.
 
The Outsiders has an all-star cast, one of the things that make this film a cult classic. Matt Dillon is perfect for this role, and his flirtation with Cherry at the drive-in theater is unforgettable. I also love seeing Tom Cruise in his younger days, and although he has a very small part, he is still magnetic in his scenes.

The other reason this film has such a rabid fan base is the direction. You never hear The Outsiders mentioned as one of Coppola's best directorial efforts, but I believe that's because it's not an Oscar-winning movie. However, if you stuck any regular Joe in there to direct it, the end product would not have been nearly as good. It's Coppola's choice to use that "Gone With The Wind" romantic lighting and stylization that made this film so special.

What holds this film back from being truly great is the script. A better screenplay would've made this movie one of his best films. However, it feels a bit disjointed in parts where Pony and Johnny leave town and it has a plot hole in the scene with the church catching on fire with children inside. While not a bad script, it's merely pedestrian and Coppola got the best he could get out of it on screen.
Matt Dillon was amazingly good in this film and, if you haven't seen the longer "Complete Novel" version of the movie, it is so much better than the original 90 minute theatrical release; it fills in all the gaps. Coppola was trying to recover financially from his post- Apocalyptic financial bomb, One From the Heart (1981) and thought it was less risky in 1983 to go with an hour and a half movie instead of just under two.

It is a strange coincidence that both directors, Coppola and Michael Cimino, who made such excellent anti-Vietnam War movies at the same time, had their next movies completely flop because of budget and other production problems. Cimino had so much trouble making Heaven's Gate (1980) that he became a recluse afterward, a bit like Col. Kurtz, refusing to be photographed or even seen. A few years later in 1986, Coppola's son died in a tragic boating accident while making Gardens of Stone.

One of the recurring themes of Hinton's books is that boys, who lose their parents one way or another and have to grow up either on their own or under inadequate supervision, are emotionally stunted in their growth. Various characters in the film have distinct representations of these young male personality types that Hinton was capable of writing about so well through her dialog and story, and without relying upon direct exposition. I think Coppola captures this very well, especially with Matt Dillon who, as Dallas, is an obvious man-child that is, in his own way, as much of a daydreamer as Ponyboy, and why they get along so well.

The scene in the convertible at the hamburger joint where Dallas (Matt Dillon) was playing with the .45 and talking to himself when Sofia Coppola walked over was a perfect illustration of his stunted emotional and mental development that was attributable to inadequate parenting and immature or non-existent male role models. I don't think any of the other actors pulled this off as well as Dillon did, which shone like the sunrise every moment he was on screen.

Judging by his masterful performance a few years later in The Color of Money (1986) as a person who had a story arc that began as an immature kid having fun, while being used by both his GF and Paul Newman, but ended with him being assertive, self-aware and fully responsible, Tom Cruise as Steve in The Outsiders probably could have done this as well as Dillon if he'd had a character with more screen time. Interestingly, just a few years later, Cruise reversed his pool hustler development in his portrayal of a selfish S.O.B whose GF initially wanted to leave him in Rain Man (1988), dir. by Martin Scorsese, but stuck around because he overcame his hatred for his father and ended as a more self-aware and considerate type of guy.

Patrick Swayze's character as Darrel, the eldest Curtis boy, who sacrificed a college football scholarship in order to bear the responsibility of raising his two younger brothers after their parents died, but can't balance it with an understanding of Ponyboy's nature, and was overbearing to the point of driving Ponyboy away, does not seem as natural on screen as Dillon. I think Swayze knew what to do with this character, but it was really challenging and, next to Matt Dillon, he doesn't look nearly as good.

C. Thomas Howell was great as Ponyboy, the dreamer, the lover, the writer, a kid who was good at connecting with people and understanding them, and most likely is how S.E. Hinton saw herself, as someone who wanted to remain innocent in important ways that his eldest brother and others couldn't understand. And even when Cherry did understand him, she ultimately chose tribal loyalty over friendship with an outsider, and there were only two other people Pony could talk to about clouds, and one of them died.

Ralph Macchio was good as Johnny, whose parents often fought and treated their son poorly, leaving him to feel sorry for himself, except when he was with Ponyboy. Burdened with the mental anguish from his family and the PTSD of having been badly beaten by Bob and his soc friends, Macchio doesn't have too much time to shine in the 90 minute version, except for his stay gold soliloquy, but in the longer version there's much more time between him and Pony at the abandoned church.

Emilio Estevez as Two-Bit is very well cast to play his sarcastic, trying-hard-to-be-a-carefree-dude, something he also does in two other Hinton adaptations, Tex and That Was Then...This Is Now.

Rob Lowe as Sodapop really only had one good scene when he ran away from Darrel and Pony because they kept drawing him into their endless arguments. He understands both of them, but was caught in the middle and couldn't be himself and relax at home.

Diane Lane as Cherry (does it mean only redhead or something else?) is one of only two female characters with any lines and she does a great job with it, as well as looking gorgeous. She went on to be in three more Coppola films in addition to one more with Matt Dillon.

For as little dialog as Leif Garrett had as soc pretty boy Bob Sheldon, he was perfect, which is partly him and partly the director. One of the things that Coppola did in this film that increased production costs quite a bit was that he shot the scenes in the chronological order of how the film would be shown, and not in the way that was most efficient for arranging sets and saving money. I'm sure this helped these young actors to develop how they portrayed their characters as the story progressed.

Leif Garrett's character could have easily walked out of my high school yearbook in every way that he is portrayed in this story: rich, arrogant, handsome, athletic, selfish, and dangerously violent, while also coming from an apparently good family. A character like Bob will "accidentally" kill you while "goofing around" and his rich parents will be totally shocked, yet have enough money and connections to prevent their spoiled son from suffering any serious consequences.

While nobody at my high school died because of people like Bob, there were several near misses just with me, as well as constant friction and occasional fights between the "preppies" as we called them and—not the greasers, there were no greasers any longer—but just the regular middle class boys whom they constantly tried to victimize by drawing them into fights.

At my high school, these rich kid preppies were the most violent people. Not even the blacks nor the Mexicans at my school were known for jumping into fights and ganging up, but the preppies were and did it often, usually waiting for a fight to break out at a party and then jumping the kid, who was often drunk, that one of the preppies had picked a fight with. I had so many run-ins with these "Bob" types over the years that, although I backed out of many confrontations, I finally had to put one one of them down.

I could never comprehend their bloodlust, but it certainly played out when one of them forced the situation. He and his group were so intent on scoring a kill and insisting on drawing serious blood that it could have ended in death, but thanks to God, we both walked away under our own power, although the other kid was so banged up that he stayed away from school for months. I see all of them in Bob every time I think about this film.
 
Just watched Annie Hall and Manhattan back to back as a double feature and I gotta say the old jew himself was on fire artistically from 1976 to 1978. As a film actor Woody had great natural comedic timing during this era with lots of red pills about women and relationships. These were big projects for one man to pull off as a writer, director, and actor. Some funny jew pills as well with good self-depricating humor.

These films probably aren't for everyone and I realize they are steeped in neurotic and debaucherous Hollywood filth, but they kind of transport you back to the 1970's and simpler times. Some of the cinematography and shots in Manhattan are legendary and capture The City in all of its 1970's glory when a one bedroom apartment could still be had for only $400 a month.
Diane Keaton has passed away. I'm a little shook by it. She was getting up there in years, sure, but I assumed she had a good decade left in her. I mean, Woody is still kicking...
 
This topic came up in an economics discussion in The China thread and I was asked to share my thoughts about the wonderful Japanese animated film, Spirited Away (2001). These are rough thoughts I shared with some friends a couple of months ago to support my thesis that this movie is an allegory to the current monetary system in Japan and Western countries, where money is created from thin air.

I have never been able to find any commentary in English about Spirited related to the monetary system, but to me it is obvious and provable. There is no other explanation for No Face that I have seen anyone come up with.

Spirited Away is an allegory of the monetary system. The sorceress Yubaba conjures things from thin air, which is analogous to the magic of the central bank likewise creating money from thin air.

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The bath house that Yubaba controls represents an economic system with internal money. For example, the token for Kamaji to make bath herbs relies on foreign exchange, the actual gold from the river spirit that Chihiro/Sen cleans, the one who gives her the magical bolus of medicine.

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No Face is the central bank mechanism itself. When possessed by the avaricious spirit of the frog, he engages in unlimited consumption and goes crazy,

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but when Yubaba's sorceress twin sister, Zenaba, who is less ambitious than Yubana, takes No Face in, she puts him to work, and he is capable of driving the means of production of the spinning wheel.

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Kamaji is both skilled labor as an herbalist and manager of the unskilled soot sprites, who represent rural people drawn to the cities for Dickensian poor treatment during the industrial age. Kamaji says, "I just cast a spell on them and they come for work." He is also a sorcerer, for example when he extends his arms or when he neutralizes the evil spell of the black slug, which represents the presence of magic money conjuring throughout the economy.

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Kamaji accepts tokens from the bath house manager, who issues them after the spirits pay the bath house fees in actual gold, ie. foreign exchange. This is an internal money system within the larger system.

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The continual theme of water in the film represents liquidity of a monetary system that functions on continual inflation, like ours, where more and more money has to be constantly created in order to pay the interest on the debt of the initial creation of the money.

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Chihiro is innocent and her instincts tell her not to eat the food that bewitches her parents. However, she can not simply opt out of the system, which Haku explains to her when he gives her something to eat when she is beginning to disappear. She must participate or perish in the usurious and exploitative monetary system.

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And Chihiro is a kind of savior figure and heroine.

She is saved by mutual brotherly love philia (φιλία) with Haku, who was a river spirit that was being corrupted by Yubaba into becoming a sorcerer.

Chihiro saved her parents.

Chihiro saved/cleansed/baptised the river spirit that had been polluted by modernity.

Chihiro saved Baby Bo from a life of selfish gluttony, something that Yubaba was unable to do because of her many habitual sins.

Chihiro redeemed No Face by standing up to him, free from the temptation of loving [fake] money, and leading him into honest work at Zaneba's house.

Chihiro failed to save the soot sprites or Kamaji, but she made friends with them and inspired their best behavior. By giving away his train tickets, Kamaji sacrificed to Chihiro his only way out of the bath house.

Chihiro's innocence is her transcendent, Christ-like quality that allows her to achieve all this within the controlled-by-evil-sorceress debt-slavery economy of the bath house.
 
This topic came up in an economics discussion in The China thread and I was asked to share my thoughts about the wonderful Japanese animated film, Spirited Away (2001). These are rough thoughts I shared with some friends a couple of months ago to support my thesis that this movie is an allegory to the current monetary system in Japan and Western countries, where money is created from thin air.

I have never been able to find any commentary in English about Spirited related to the monetary system, but to me it is obvious and provable. There is no other explanation for No Face that I have seen anyone come up with.

Spirited Away is an allegory of the monetary system. The sorceress Yubaba conjures things from thin air, which is analogous to the magic of the central bank likewise creating money from thin air.

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The bath house that Yubaba controls represents an economic system with internal money. For example, the token for Kamaji to make bath herbs relies on foreign exchange, the actual gold from the river spirit that Chihiro/Sen cleans, the one who gives her the magical bolus of medicine.

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No Face is the central bank mechanism itself. When possessed by the avaricious spirit of the frog, he engages in unlimited consumption and goes crazy,

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but when Yubaba's sorceress twin sister, Zenaba, who is less ambitious than Yubana, takes No Face in, she puts him to work, and he is capable of driving the means of production of the spinning wheel.

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Kamaji is both skilled labor as an herbalist and manager of the unskilled soot sprites, who represent rural people drawn to the cities for Dickensian poor treatment during the industrial age. Kamaji says, "I just cast a spell on them and they come for work." He is also a sorcerer, for example when he extends his arms or when he neutralizes the evil spell of the black slug, which represents the presence of magic money conjuring throughout the economy.

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Kamaji accepts tokens from the bath house manager, who issues them after the spirits pay the bath house fees in actual gold, ie. foreign exchange. This is an internal money system within the larger system.

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The continual theme of water in the film represents liquidity of a monetary system that functions on continual inflation, like ours, where more and more money has to be constantly created in order to pay the interest on the debt of the initial creation of the money.

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Chihiro is innocent and her instincts tell her not to eat the food that bewitches her parents. However, she can not simply opt out of the system, which Haku explains to her when he gives her something to eat when she is beginning to disappear. She must participate or perish in the usurious and exploitative monetary system.

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And Chihiro is a kind of savior figure and heroine.

She is saved by mutual brotherly love philia (φιλία) with Haku, who was a river spirit that was being corrupted by Yubaba into becoming a sorcerer.

Chihiro saved her parents.

Chihiro saved/cleansed/baptised the river spirit that had been polluted by modernity.

Chihiro saved Baby Bo from a life of selfish gluttony, something that Yubaba was unable to do because of her many habitual sins.

Chihiro redeemed No Face by standing up to him, free from the temptation of loving [fake] money, and leading him into honest work at Zaneba's house.

Chihiro failed to save the soot sprites or Kamaji, but she made friends with them and inspired their best behavior. By giving away his train tickets, Kamaji sacrificed to Chihiro his only way out of the bath house.

Chihiro's innocence is her transcendent, Christ-like quality that allows her to achieve all this within the controlled-by-evil-sorceress debt-slavery economy of the bath house.

This write up got me flashing back 15 years to reading Rob Ager’s essays on how Kubrick’s films were about the federal reserve :ROFLMAO:
 
Choke (2008) is for people who like dark humor.

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It's based on the 2001 novel by Chuck Palahniuk, who wrote Fight Club, and there are some similar plot devices here.

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It stars Sam Rockwell, Kelly Macdonald, Clark Gregg, Brad William, and Angelica Huston, nearly all of whom are excellent in their subtle hilarity and multi-layered performances.

I hate spoilers, so briefly: Sam plays a man who is addicted to sex and has unrelated mommy issues. While trying to resolve his mother probs, he has to deal with all of his other predicaments that are presented in a darkly hilarious fashion and involve his best friend, a girl, and a bunch of women with dementia, as well as a few surprises.

I watched this movie because I like Sam Rockwell and Kelly Macdonald, and then I found it to be one of the best films at switching tone that I've seen, something that has rarely been done well in Anglo cinema since the 50's.

I love the writing in this movie because it generally coordinates the tone switches with the different settings, but they happen in other ways, too. Sam Rockwell is able to play it all perfectly, IMO.

The film is raunchy, explicitly sexual in topic, has a few topless shots, and some unattractive sex scenes that I think were intended to show the depravity of this addiction.

The difference between this film about substance abuse and a plethora of addiction films of the past 60 years is that the latter all follow the same druggy death spiral character arc, but this movie gives us much more to enjoy, it's both deeper and wider, and is neither demoralizing nor maudlin.

If you can handle the sex and you like dark humor, give it a try.
 
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