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Iv been asking this question for a long time, why are the woman and children in Gaza not leaving and going to seek refuge in neighboring countries like they do in all other wars around the world? Why do the arab nations want them to stay in Gaza during a war? The west has been taking in refugees by the millions for a very long time, its not the arab nations turn. Im so glad Trump has said this out loud.
 
GoodShepherd said:
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Iv been asking this question for a long time, why are the woman and children in Gaza not leaving and going to seek refuge in neighboring countries like they do in all other wars around the world? Why do the arab nations want them to stay in Gaza during a war? The west has been taking in refugees by the millions for a very long time, its not the arab nations turn. Im so glad Trump has said this out loud.
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It's the Arab mind, they hate the Muslims in Gaza, because they are a reminder of the time that the Arab nations got together to wipe out Israel, and lost.
Israel kicked their asses, and stole a lot of territory from them.
The people in Gaza are a visceral reminder of that loss that scars the other Arabs psyche, and being what they are, they put the blame for their loss on the Gazans, not themselves.
 
Cuchulainn said:
It's the Arab mind, they hate the Muslims in Gaza, because they are a reminder of the time that the Arab nations got together to wipe out Israel, and lost.
Israel kicked their asses, and stole a lot of territory from them.
The people in Gaza are a visceral reminder of that loss that scars the other Arabs psyche, and being what they are, they put the blame for their loss on the Gazans, not themselves.
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Im neither on Israel or Gazas side but to me having the residents of Gaza moved out is a pretty good solution to some kind of peace until things get sorted out, I also like the fact that the west is finally pushing arab nations to take in immigrants, in my opinion they should just make Gaza an independant country since the Jews and Palestinians cant get along, they shouldnt share a country
 
GoodShepherd said:
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Iv been asking this question for a long time, why are the woman and children in Gaza not leaving and going to seek refuge in neighboring countries like they do in all other wars around the world? Why do the arab nations want them to stay in Gaza during a war? The west has been taking in refugees by the millions for a very long time, its not the arab nations turn. Im so glad Trump has said this out loud.
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The question to ask is why does Israel want this (they stated as much at the beginning of the conflict), not why do Arab nations not want this. The answer to the first question gives you the answer to the second one. This is not like some other conflict where 10% of the most vulnerable part of the population would leave and then return once everything has settled down. A better analogy is the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. Once you leave you're not going back. And its not just about what the Arab nations want, the Palestinians themselves don't want to leave because its a one-way ticket. You can agree or disagree with their claims or tactics but objectively it makes no sense to resist only to voluntarily leave and handover everything to your enemy.

You don't really need to read between the lines, its as clear as day:
Describing Gaza as a "demolition site", Trump said: "You're talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing". He added that the move "could be temporary" or "could be long-term".
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GoodShepherd said:
Iv been asking this question for a long time, why are the woman and children in Gaza not leaving and going to seek refuge in neighboring countries like they do in all other wars around the world?
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Reason number 1: Because Israel won't let them.

Reason number 2: Even if they were allowed to leave, they know that if they leave Israel will steal their land. And they won't accept that.
 
Aldebaran said:
Reason number 1: Because Israel won't let them.

Reason number 2: Even if they were allowed to leave, they know that if they leave Israel will steal their land. And they won't accept that.
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Egypt shares a border with Gaza they could let them but they dont, they dont even mention it and in general we dont hear the world talking about this, its like they want the woman and children to stay in Gaza and suffer, this is abnormal, in any other war those civilians would be evacuated.

There has to come a point where a group of people has to accept defeat in a war and move on, clearly the people in Gaza have lost you cant keep putting your woman and children in the front lines of battle forever thats suicide, you dont find this happening in ither wars only here in Gaza. People leave countries all the time, my family members were once refugees in a civil war, my grandfather got his wife and kids out the country into safety, the men who wanted to stay behind and fight did but their families were taken to safety, whats happening in Gaza is abnormal.
 
GoodShepherd said:
Egypt shares a border with Gaza they could let them but they dont, they dont even mention it and in general we dont hear the world talking about this, its like they want the woman and children to stay in Gaza and suffer, this is abnormal, in any other war those civilians would be evacuated.
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Once a Palestinian refugee leaves his country, he's never allowed to come back by Israel. The whole Israeli policy of bombing Gaza to bits was in order to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Egypt can't comply with that policy, that is why they are rejecting the concept of mass transfer.


There has to come a point where a group of people has to accept defeat in a war and move on, clearly the people in Gaza have lost you cant keep putting your woman and children in the front lines of battle forever thats suicide, you dont find this happening in ither wars only here in Gaza. People leave countries all the time, my family members were once refugees in a civil war, my grandfather got his wife and kids out the country into safety, the men who wanted to stay behind and fight did but their families were taken to safety, whats happening in Gaza is abnormal.
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The displacement of civilians in conquered territories is against the Geneva Conventions and all modern rules of war. As well the majority o Palestinians don't want to be ethnically cleansed and live as refugees in foreign lands, something that nationalists of all stripes should have no problem understanding.
 
Gazans stay because they want to stay, including the women. It has nothing to do with other countries and everything to do with the people there. They see it as their land, the land of their ancestors for thousands of years, and they do not want to leave. It's as simple as that.

The borders can be open, closed, it doesn't matter, those people are the ones who want to stay. The Palestinians who did not want to fight the Talmuds left back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. I know many Palestinian refugees in America who have had children and families here.

The ones still there are hardcore and won't leave unless you kill them.
 
GoodShepherd said:
Egypt shares a border with Gaza they could let them but they dont, they dont even mention it and in general we dont hear the world talking about this, its like they want the woman and children to stay in Gaza and suffer, this is abnormal, in any other war those civilians would be evacuated.

There has to come a point where a group of people has to accept defeat in a war and move on, clearly the people in Gaza have lost you cant keep putting your woman and children in the front lines of battle forever thats suicide, you dont find this happening in ither wars only here in Gaza. People leave countries all the time, my family members were once refugees in a civil war, my grandfather got his wife and kids out the country into safety, the men who wanted to stay behind and fight did but their families were taken to safety, whats happening in Gaza is abnormal.
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How about recognizing that Palestinians are incredibly brave to fight for their country in the face of overwhelming technological and military might?

You seem to be turning the situation on its head.
 
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Aldebaran said:
How about recognizing that Palestinians are incredibly brave to fight for their country in the face of overwhelming technological and military might?

You seem to be turning the situation on its head.
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I dont think they are brave at all because they always complaining and they have woman and children amongst them, whenever I see videos from over there I always see woman and children amongst the fighters.
 
Cooper said:
Once a Palestinian refugee leaves his country, he's never allowed to come back by Israel. The whole Israeli policy of bombing Gaza to bits was in order to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Egypt can't comply with that policy, that is why they are rejecting the concept of mass transfer.




The displacement of civilians in conquered territories is against the Geneva Conventions and all modern rules of war. As well the majority o Palestinians don't want to be ethnically cleansed and live as refugees in foreign lands, something that nationalists of all stripes should have no problem understanding.
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So the solution is to let them all stay in Gaza and die from war, thirst or starvation?

If you were there with your family would you make your wife and kids stay there during war?
 
Samseau said:
Gazans stay because they want to stay, including the women. It has nothing to do with other countries and everything to do with the people there. They see it as their land, the land of their ancestors for thousands of years, and they do not want to leave. It's as simple as that.

The borders can be open, closed, it doesn't matter, those people are the ones who want to stay. The Palestinians who did not want to fight the Talmuds left back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. I know many Palestinian refugees in America who have had children and families here.

The ones still there are hardcore and won't leave unless you kill them.
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I dont support the Jews and neither do I support the Muslims as they are both enemies of Christ and the church.

In any other country during times of war I dont recall people encouraging woman and children to stay, I could understand if the war was going 50/50 and if it could swing either way but when I look at this situation I see the people of Gaza trying their best buy they are not gaining ground and are suffering heavy casualties, the Jews on the other hand have superior weapons and are not unleashing their full power they actually holding back a little yet still dominating.

When Syria was at war did you notice how many millions of Syrians left their land that was also their homeland and the world encouraged them to become flrefugees and condemned countries that didnt want to help take them in, so many to this opportunity to move onto Europe and USA, as far as I know they havent returned home.

I personally think they dont want to leave Gaza because its always been the goal of Islam to recapture Jerusalem a second time like they did to the Christians in the past, they want that city, this war will never end until either side dies out unfortunately.
 
GoodShepherd said:
So the solution is to let them all stay in Gaza and die from war, thirst or starvation?

If you were there with your family would you make your wife and kids stay there during war?
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Again: They don't have a choice. They are being held captive by Israel. What part of this do you not understand?

GoodShepherd said:
When Syria was at war did you notice how many millions of Syrians left their land that was also their homeland and the world encouraged them to become flrefugees and condemned countries that didnt want to help take them in, so many to this opportunity to move onto Europe and USA, as far as I know they havent returned home.
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Did you notice that Syria is still there and that they can return to Syria if they want? If Palestinians manage to flee they can never come back to their land.


GoodShepherd said:
I dont support the Jews and neither do I support the Muslims as they are both enemies of Christ and the church.
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Fair enough. But there are many Christian Palestinians.
 
Aldebaran said:
Again: They don't have a choice. They are being held captive by Israel. What part of this do you not understand?



Did you notice that Syria is still there and that they can return to Syria if they want? If Palestinians manage to flee they can never come back to their land.



Fair enough. But there are many Christian Palestinians.
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The Christians there just happen to be in the middle of this Israeli Muslim war its not their choice. Regardless if they have a choice or not Im not hearing the Muslim Arab world sending funds to get them out or pressurizing Egypt to let them in as refugees, this idea isnt even on the table.

I personally think Gaza should be declared an independant country through succession, totally cut off from Israel, but I know neither side is interested in a deal like that they both want to own the entire country. So even "if" the residents had to be evacuated for a period of time their land would legally still be theirs and they could return.

I also think if Israel is an allie of USA they should be paying USA for their help not the other way around, in the old days if you needed support from your allies you paid them something, if you needed people to fight for you then they hired mercenaries, whats happening between USA and Israel is also abnormal, USA is paying Israel to help them, makes zero sense, it also shows me that this is kind of a sign that Israel has people in USA in the government who dont have Americas best interest at heart and are basically spys if that the correct word, very abnormal situation.

Im keen to see how Trump is going to deal with this, I would like to see him also hold Israel accountable and cut funding to them.
 
GoodShepherd said:
The Christians there just happen to be in the middle of this Israeli Muslim war its not their choice. Regardless if they have a choice or not Im not hearing the Muslim Arab world sending funds to get them out or pressurizing Egypt to let them in as refugees, this idea isnt even on the table.
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Christian Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed from Palestine by the Zionists, they are not "stuck in the middle", they are being bombed and dispossessed by Israel for many decades. Churches that stood in Palestine for over a millennia under Muslim rule are being destroyed by Israel.

 
Cooper said:
Christian Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed from Palestine by the Zionists, they are not "stuck in the middle", they are being bombed and dispossessed by Israel for many decades. Churches that stood in Palestine for over a millennia under Muslim rule are being destroyed by Israel.

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But the war is between the Muslims and the Jews, I hear what you saying but we must never forget the Muslims are a great enemy to Christianity, the Christian in Gaza are not under Muslim rule Gaza isnt an sovereign nation, when Israel in the past under Muslim rule Hakim in the year 1010 destroyed the Holy Sepulchre church in Jerusalem to its foundation, the church that was built over Jesus tomb that emperor Constantine built, lets not even talk about Constantinople. Both the Jews and Muslims are hostile to us.
 
GoodShepherd said:
But the war is between the Muslims and the Jews, I hear what you saying but we must never forget the Muslims are a great enemy to Christianity, the Christian in Gaza are not under Muslim rule Gaza isnt an sovereign nation, when Israel in the past under Muslim rule Hakim in the year 1010 destroyed the Holy Sepulchre church in Jerusalem to its foundation, the church that was built over Jesus tomb that emperor Constantine built, lets not even talk about Constantinople. Both the Jews and Muslims are hostile to us.
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Who runs Gaza then, if it isn't "Muslims"?
 
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