The Hot-Holy Matrix

[GoodShepherd]

The older I get in life the more I realize that looks and beauty are not the most important things in a wife, beauty is also in the eye of the beholder, when you are in love with a girl her looks dont actually play much of a part either, Im not saying beauty isnt worth anything or isnt important, its a bonus, sometimes it can even be a problem, if your wife is too beautiful you always got to be watching out for her and fighting off the whole world of guys who are also attracted to her beauty, my wife was one of those woman when we were younger I had to deal with these problems where I had to break ties with people and no longer welcome them around and had to be a little hard on them because they started developing feelings towards my wife because of her charm and beauty, with a more average looking woman you shouldnt have too much of this issue.

 

[RedLagoon]

The older I get in life the more I realize that looks and beauty are not the most important things in a wife, beauty is also in the eye of the beholder, when you are in love with a girl her looks dont actually play much of a part either, Im not saying beauty isnt worth anything or isnt important, its a bonus, sometimes it can even be a problem, if your wife is too beautiful you always got to be watching out for her and fighting off the whole world of guys who are also attracted to her beauty, my wife was one of those woman when we were younger I had to deal with these problems where I had to break ties with people and no longer welcome them around and had to be a little hard on them because they started developing feelings towards my wife because of her charm and beauty, with a more average looking woman you shouldnt have too much of this issue.

This.

Not only that, she got born with that beauty and they (pretty ladies) almost feel it's a burden to be beautiful as they seek no other.
So those men become jealous of you as a man and more often than not these men will cut you out of their lives...

Been there, doing it.

 

[Australia Sucks]

look up all the attractive teenage girls now, the vast majority of them look completely busted today

Yes. Especially in the west most women age like milk. Most women in the west that were hot at 18 like busted by 28 let alone 40.

many of the girls you didn't even bat an eye at look beautiful now compared to the others.

The proverbial ugly duckling transforming into a beautiful swan rarely happens in real life. That is like 1 out of 100.

A woman who has kept her looks into her 30's has a better chance of maintaining them long term

Looks are like an hour glass. The more sand has already poured down the less there is left to pour down. Do you still expect the 35 old woman that looks good to look still good when she is 60? That is highly unlikely.

 

[RedLagoon]

Yes. Especially in the west most women age like milk. Most women in the west that were hot at 18 like busted by 28 let alone 40.


The proverbial ugly duckling transforming into a beautiful swan rarely happens in real life. That is like 1 out of 100.


Looks are like an hour glass. The more sand has already poured down the less there is left to pour down. Do you still expect the 35 old woman that looks good to look still good when she is 60? That is highly unlikely.

What about you? Do you look in the mirror sometimes?

Maybe stay away from pr0n or whatever is polluting your mind.

 

[FrancisK]

Yes. Especially in the west most women age like milk. Most women in the west that were hot at 18 like busted by 28 let alone 40.


The proverbial ugly duckling transforming into a beautiful swan rarely happens in real life. That is like 1 out of 100.


Looks are like an hour glass. The more sand has already poured down the less there is left to pour down. Do you still expect the 35 old woman that looks good to look still good when she is 60? That is highly unlikely.

You're missing my point entirely. I'm not saying you take an ugly duckling and hope she turns into a swan I'm saying that looks can be fleeting no matter what. Everyone ages do you plan to find a new wife every 10 years or something? Again not advocating to marry an older woman but I would give the 30 year old who kept her looks a better chance of looking good at 60 than the chances of a random 20 year old that only looks good because she's still young.

 

[RedLagoon]

You're missing my point entirely. I'm not saying you take an ugly duckling and hope she turns into a swan I'm saying that looks can be fleeting no matter what. Everyone ages do you plan to find a new wife every 10 years or something? Again not advocating to marry an older woman but I would give the 30 year old who kept her looks a better chance of looking good at 60 than the chances of a random 20 year old that only looks good because she's still young.

Many men have told him this, look at the comment above you.

He wants virgins
He had no interest in following Christ
Calls the forum the only place out of Internet hell

Brother, he needs to figure it out all on his own.

 

[Tippy]

All this is just putting too much emphasis on sex in my opinion.

If you consider the only real purpose of sex is procreation do you really need the hottest wife? I'm not necessarily advocating an ugly wife either. Just if you're a 5, maybe a 5 is OK for you. What's a 5? Just an OK looking person. In the West you may have to settle for a 3/4 if you are a 5 and that's unfortunate but also not the end of the world if she has positives as a human being.

Also, so much of life does NOT involve sex at all and if a wife does well in those areas and is a decent/caring/moral person those things are more important than the boner test.

If you absolutely MUST date up looks wise then yeah there is Eastern Europe and Asia but you either have to live there or bring her here which is a long and arduous process and fraught with challenges as well.

And also I am too noticing this approach to women as if they are PAINTINGS 'Yes I want the untouched one from Eastern Europe!' as if you get that young/chaste wife and then it's just done. Game over. Credits roll. Whereas it's an ongoing dynamic situation with many issues to be faced. The thing is on here people are obsessed with ONE ISSUE (getting the wife) but I'm not sure they are prepping themselves that well for married life beyond that. Not that I know exactly how to do that either and I don't have advice but I think guys who have seemingly been single for months/years are not just going to plop into idyllic married life and cohabitation bliss. It's all a big fantasy.

 

[Australia Sucks]

You're missing my point entirely. I'm not saying you take an ugly duckling and hope she turns into a swan I'm saying that looks can be fleeting no matter what. Everyone ages do you plan to find a new wife every 10 years or something? Again not advocating to marry an older woman but I would give the 30 year old who kept her looks a better chance of looking good at 60 than the chances of a random 20 year old that only looks good because she's still young.

A lot of the thing about women ageing rapidly in the west is due to lifestyle factors (although genetics play a part also). So if you have money marry an 18 year old girl and you show strong leadership and stop her from working (thereby reducing her stress factor) make sure she eats really healthy, make sure she exercises regularly, she does not drink alcohol, she does not do drugs etc then she should still look decent into her 40s.

For example if you marry a woman who is 18 and she is a 8/10 and you show strong leadership and make sure she is living a healthy lifestyle there is no reason she can’t be a 6/10 at age 45 which is still pretty respectable. At that point you have enjoyed 27 years of her looking reasonably good so you can’t really complain because you got a fair deal out of it.

I’m not disputing that looks decline with age I am just saying that you need to get a decent ROI for everything you are dealing with (financially, responsibility for looking after the woman, dealing with female nonsense, etc) otherwise the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. 100 years ago this was just common sense and didn’t even need to be mentioned it was intuitively understood by everyone in society.

 

[RedLagoon]

A lot of the thing about women ageing rapidly in the west is due to lifestyle factors (although genetics play a part also). So if you have money marry an 18 year old girl and you show strong leadership and stop her from working (thereby reducing her stress factor) make sure she eats really healthy, make sure she exercises regularly, she does not drink alcohol, she does not do drugs etc then she should still look decent into her 40s.

For example if you marry a woman who is 18 and she is a 8/10 and you show strong leadership and make sure she is living a healthy lifestyle there is no reason she can’t be a 6/10 at age 45 which is still pretty respectable. At that point you have enjoyed 27 years of her looking reasonably good so you can’t really complain because you got a fair deal out of it.

I’m not disputing that looks decline with age I am just saying that you need to get a decent ROI for everything you are dealing with (financially, responsibility for looking after the woman, dealing with female nonsense, etc) otherwise the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. 100 years ago this was just common sense and didn’t even need to be mentioned it was intuitively understood by everyone in society.

Yes, you were the one.

Now let's move on

 

[GoodShepherd]

This.

Not only that, she got born with that beauty and they (pretty ladies) almost feel it's a burden to be beautiful as they seek no other.
So those men become jealous of you as a man and more often than not these men will cut you out of their lives...

Been there, doing it.

Yip I remember my wife complaining about this, how everywhere she would go without me, for walks, to grocery store etc theres alway people bothering her etc but she said when we both out together it never happens only when shes alone, there was a particular place my wife used to walk through regularly and 3 men were always harrassing her, eventually she told me and how much of a bother it is so I had to go there and threaten those men with violence if they even so much as looked her way, the problem was solved but these are the problems I encountered and situations I had to deal with quite often.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

you need to get a decent ROI for everything you are dealing with (financially, responsibility for looking after the woman, dealing with female nonsense, etc) otherwise the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. 100 years ago this was just common sense and didn’t even need to be mentioned it was intuitively understood by everyone in society.

No one is forcing you to get married, you can always go and pay prostitutes. It's still very possible to get young, decent looking prostitutes. So no need to intellectually hide behind some kind of "pressure to get married".

It's bizarre that you raise the topic in this mechanical ROI manner. What is your wife's ROI? Are you able to offer the 6-6-6 rule? Do these whores even care? Women try to bite off what they can chew. Your money means nothing to a woman if you got a death grip on it.

While obviously these kinds of mechanical pairings have occurred and still occur, why would someone even want to put themselves in such a position? You want to witness your somber wife experience joy every time you guys bump into some charming Joe?

At the end of the day it's not about ROI, it's about Return on Time.

Human beings become obsolete and worthless with age. The older you are the more worthless you become. This is where the return on time comes in. Did you spend your youth doing something of value that you can use a crutch to enjoy your limping years?

No money in the world can fix you being a 50/60 year old man telling your peers and young people alike that you never had a family. It's going to hurt saying it. It's go to hurt seeing their reaction. It's going to hurt seeing their family. It's going to hurt thinking about it.

Even if you marry old, your wife and kids will find ways to remind you of your fleeting value. They're going to be casket shopping while you're still alive.

I understand you wanting to prevent pain and suffering when dealing with these feminist sluts but you can't orient your life around pain avoidance. You don't need permission to be who you are. If you got tired of some woman then it's your choice to cheat on her, drop her off at the bus station, or go on a cigarette run to the store.

The issue with women is that a lot of nice guys, myself included, are more afraid of ourselves and our potential behavior than we are afraid of the potential behavior of these whores. At the end of the day, I'm sure you've been hurt a million times, so how does it make sense for you to still see pain as a big deal?

 

[FrancisK]

Yip I remember my wife complaining about this, how everywhere she would go without me, for walks, to grocery store etc theres alway people bothering her etc but she said when we both out together it never happens only when shes alone, there was a particular place my wife used to walk through regularly and 3 men were always harrassing her, eventually she told me and how much of a bother it is so I had to go there and threaten those men with violence if they even so much as looked her way, the problem was solved but these are the problems I encountered and situations I had to deal with quite often.

That is a GENUINE sign of a good woman, good for her and good for you brother. I dated a woman not too long ago who was always confused why men she knew acted different towards her when I was around and when I wasn't around. The fact that she didn't understand the reason for that, which was obviously a sign of her behavior towards them which I saw first hand on more than one occasion, was a massive red flag and one of the very reasons I left her and never looked back......among others.

 

[Blade Runner]

No money in the world can fix you being a 50/60 year old man telling your peers and young people alike that you never had a family. It's going to hurt saying it. It's go to hurt seeing their reaction. It's going to hurt seeing their family. It's going to hurt thinking about it.

Maybe, maybe not. I've seen all sorts of people pleased by having kids, haunted by what some of their kids did, destroyed by a tragedy happening to the kid, wives that died earlier than them, etc.

While I'm pro tradition and pro family, there's no doubt that big picture and long term, it's somewhat irrelevant in the age to come (somewhat because possibly you could have played a part in giving rise to a human, for better or worse). People are proud of themselves when they have kids for mostly base reasons, if we are honest. Few grandkids and almost no great grandkids even have a clue of who you are, or were.

When you see the headaches most modern women are, and how many bad wives there are in the west, it's somewhat amusing to tell others that a 50 year old man is going to have that kind of regret, as if he decided "selfishly" to forego women as if he lived in the 1960s when they would actually do things for their husbands, across the board.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

Maybe, maybe not. I've seen all sorts of people pleased by having kids, haunted by what some of their kids did, destroyed by a tragedy happening to the kid, wives that died earlier than them, etc.

There's a lot of bad scenarios.

While I'm pro tradition and pro family, there's no doubt that big picture and long term, it's somewhat irrelevant in the age to come (somewhat because possibly you could have played a part in giving rise to a human, for better or worse). People are proud of themselves when they have kids for mostly base reasons, if we are honest. Few grandkids and almost no great grandkids even have a clue of who you are, or were.

This is a cope, no offense. I'm not saying everyone should have kids but it's what you're suppose to do. Things you're suppose to do matter a lot. Just think back to your childhood, if it applies. Not having a console, not being allowed to do something, the idea of being held back a grade. Conformity is part of our DNA. A kid naturally wants to move with his peers or leave them behind.

There once was a time when being in a single mother household was devastating socially. We have experienced normalization in that regard. Luckily for us the amount of used up sluts, lonely men, mentally ill singles and broken marriages is become so astronomically high that it's normalizing being alone and "introverted". I think some of us deep down enjoy the "dating is over" content. It's over for me but more importantly it's over for you and that makes me feel good.

When it comes to the purpose of our life it's a balancing act between dopamine highs and responsibility. There's nothing particularly great about having a job but a lot of people derive some kind of pleasure from being "productive" in-between their dopamine highs which usually means a drinking session in the evening. Life is about productively wasting time and finding ways to reward yourself for it.

Current generations are really into imposing our "main character syndrome" on strangers but in reality all you can do is draw in a limited amount of people for an amateur production, that's the only story you get to tell. The rest of the population doesn't care about you. For many having a family is their way of becoming the main character in a story. That's how they productively waste time.

When you see the headaches most modern women are, and how many bad wives there are in the west, it's somewhat amusing to tell others that a 50 year old man is going to have that kind of regret, as if he decided "selfishly" to forego women as if he lived in the 1960s when they would actually do things for their husbands, across the board.

The issue of being non-conformist is the spaces that you can enjoy grow smaller. Just like a middle aged man staying clear of the college party, we too find fewer spaces where we won't be confronted with our predicament.

People, they see us.

Asian cougars see the boomers roaming around. They see they have no home so they offer them theirs, for monetary gain of course. This is why they don't feel shame in taking you to the cleaners. After all, you were roaming the streets looking for some family to adopt you and she did. Now you're driving Asian mummies to the bingo and paying for an international school for some weird kids. It keeps you busy. What's interesting is that for a lot of these men this was better than the alternative. It's wise to fear the meaningless existence, and generally speaking if you have no talents and skills, you gain meaning through your relations.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

Keyboard warrior talk is non stop gesticulating about finding an ideal bride in a foreign country.

100%. This "the grass is always greener on the other side" thing is a classic modern human boredom sickness where one has too many options due to jet plane travel and an existential feeling of dread coupled with a depressive funk about one's hometown/home country, something I guess we could call "Hometown Syndrome." It's so strange and reeks of depressive lust and a lack of faith. If you truly aren't looking to play the field and you can't find ONE woman within a thousand mile radius of your current physical location then you either have no game, no faith in God, are physically/emotionally/spiritually unattractive, or are computer illiterate with an inability to use social media and dating apps to your advantage in finding ONE long term girlfriend/wife. This belief that "there is not one girl here, but there is one girl over there" is a mind trap of "futurism" wherein if "I go over there tomorrow, it will be better than it is here today." Which of course is a false belief because you could die in your sleep tonight and never make it over there tomorrow. Or, you could get "over there" and still not find a woman, or marry the wrong woman who makes your life a living hell in a country in which you are a foreigner with no friends or family members nearby to support you in a time of crisis.

After a while even the hottest girl would get boring.

"Show me the hottest woman in the world and I'll show you a guy who's tired of bangin' her."

 

[Australia Sucks]

"Show me the hottest woman in the world and I'll show you a guy who's tired of bangin' her."

That is what mistresses and prostitutes were for back in the day so a man could have a family and still scratch that itch once in a while. I am not condoning it by the way but people need to be realistic about human nature.

 

[Steady Hands]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I think I found out how Mister A.S. got his riches at such a young age.

I have spent many dark, rainy Australian nights pondering the big question -- "How?" In fact, the answer was right in front of our noses all this time. Here's the big clue:

"Leave Australia," He repeats, "This is your key to personal happiness and success with women: Just. Get. Out."

And now, finally, it is time to reveal the truth.

He works in the Australian Passport Fee Slurping Department.

Australia sucks? Yes, it guzzles up your income through a national monopoly on passport fees.

Prices have only gone up since he started posting on RVF, and continued to rise in accordance with his reign of subliminal programming on CiK:

The cost of a standard 10-year Australia passport, which are the costliest in the world, is set to increase by $14 to $412 in the new year, with prices increasing by $104 since Labor won government in 2022.

In documents tendered to parliament earlier this year, the 15 per cent application fee increase implemented from July 1 was estimated to make $924.5m in revenue, and $529m in profit.

[source]

Indeed, the following jingle may be irresistibly catchy and adapted to American audiences, but remember: it's all marketing, and all designed to enhance his holdings of BTC (Beyond The Country of suckiness).



Just joking my brethren

Heaven on earth is just one flight away.

Forget the red pill.
Dump the black pill
Take the travel pill.

Open your mind to new cultures, warm people, and lots of... salsa classes.

 

[Blade Runner]

This is a cope, no offense. I'm not saying everyone should have kids but it's what you're suppose to do. Things you're suppose to do matter a lot. Just think back to your childhood, if it applies.

It's not what everyone is supposed to do. What we do in life is supposed to be risk assessment and ROI, frankly. When the environment is as it is, that's even more important. You don't luck into a good wife, or any kind of wife or mother, anymore.

I think some of us deep down enjoy the "dating is over" content. It's over for me but more importantly it's over for you and that makes me feel good.

Explain this in greater detail, please.

The rest of the population doesn't care about you. For many having a family is their way of becoming the main character in a story. That's how they productively waste time.

Mostly, yes. Productive waste of time is interesting.

Do you think on the Last Day the Lord will judge you for having kids or not? The answer is that while it may be a part of the overall consideration, it isn't anything in and of itself, made quite obvious by people who chose to be monks, nuns, or eunuchs for the Lord.

This belief that "there is not one girl here, but there is one girl over there" is a mind trap of "futurism" wherein if "I go over there tomorrow, it will be better than it is here today." Which of course is a false belief because you could die in your sleep tonight and never make it over there tomorrow. Or, you could get "over there" and still not find a woman, or marry the wrong woman who makes your life a living hell in a country in which you are a foreigner with no friends or family members nearby to support you in a time of crisis.

It can be. The problem with the way you put things at times is that all of this applies to the countries where women are at all time lows in terms of wife quality. The issue is that you ignore this and act like it's not the truth, which is denying reality, and thus a problem for all of your shock analysis (= subpar as a result). What's more likely, a woman will make your life a living hell in the USA or in a country where the girl actually needs you and can't use lawfare to also assist in that? It's silly having to deal with this kind of lowbrow stuff over and over.

 

[eradicator]

I wasn’t sure where else to put this