The Hot-Holy Matrix

[Bizet]

But the reality is, and it seems you may be too young to understand, that you can treat a woman like a princess and it makes no difference towards her feelings for you. You can ring a virgin and she can just catch the modernity virus and dump you with absolutely no reason. The odds are good it will happen to you someday (75% chance), and when it does you'll have a better understanding of where the men on this forum are coming from.

I don’t believe in treating women like princesses. Experience has taught me that maintaining frame, being non-needy, and embodying strong masculine-feminine polarity are key.

However, instead of blaming breakups solely on women 'catching the modernity virus,' men should take responsibility too. Maybe she changed, but maybe you also got too comfortable and lost your masculine drive. Both matter.

 

[RedLagoon]

I don’t believe in treating women like princesses. Experience has taught me that maintaining frame, being non-needy, and embodying strong masculine-feminine polarity are key.

However, instead of blaming breakups solely on women 'catching the modernity virus,' men should take responsibility too. Maybe she changed, but maybe you also got too comfortable and lost your masculine drive. Both matter.

Are you married?

 

[Josephus]

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Have you succeeded in getting married with this approach? How long have you been online dating and what has your experience?been?

 

[Samseau]

Experience has taught me that maintaining frame, being non-needy, and embodying strong masculine-feminine polarity are key.

This is the bare minimum and is wholly insufficient to maintain a relationship. You absolutely will be required to cherish your woman if you want things to last. The princess treatment is what a loving husband does, and the wife wants to be loved. You cannot maintain a relationship without that love.

The maintaining frame and non-needy stuff is great when you're picking up a new girl, but utterly irrelevant once she gets to know you. Years down the road and frame almost means nothing.

 

[analyst_green]

Someone put the video back up and the feminist Orthodox women are not happy. Ironically the exact same ones Fr. Moses says are less than ideal.

No way I can accept less than a 7.5 on the holy axis. Any more than the most minute feminist and rapacious influences in a woman is a recipe for disaster. Looks wise I think I can be happy with a 6.5. But my ego tells me to go for over 7 because I could do that well with a secular woman.

Fr. Moses says you won't find the unicorns in the US at all and that even in Eastern Europe they are incredibly rare. I would further extend this by saying that women over 7 holy and 7 looks are possible to find in the states but quite rare and have no dearth of suitors. So if I were to go this route, it would likely have to be overseas.

 

[Blade Runner]

This is the bare minimum and is wholly insufficient to maintain a relationship. You absolutely will be required to cherish your woman if you want things to last. The princess treatment is what a loving husband does, and the wife wants to be loved. You cannot maintain a relationship without that love.

The paradox is that the women that will get this behavior are also those who don't need it, since they act in a way that eases and induces it in the man. That's because it's truly feminine.

As for Bizet, it does seem that he's giving advice from the typical married person's perspective, which is somewhat of an elitist one - not always, but typically. Is Hinge a facebook linked app, by the way?

Fr. Moses says you won't find the unicorns in the US at all and that even in Eastern Europe they are incredibly rare. I would further extend this by saying that women over 7 holy and 7 looks are possible to find in the states but quite rare and have no dearth of suitors. So if I were to go this route, it would likely have to be overseas.

That's the weirdest thing about women that is so telling. They can do something about it but are still unwilling. Thus the ree! stuff when someone, a man and in fact a priest, tells the truth or the point of view of what men want, and they are the ones who decide that a couple gets married. Seems like a pretty big deal to listen to the people who actually decide on marriage.

As for the 7-7 in the USA, that has to be a crazy small # of women in the postmodern age, as religion and young marriage are social taboos, or became increasingly that way. It is true that most won't be seen because by the time you realize what's important in life (early marriage and/or family formation), by definition those women are already gone.

 

[Seng Hock]

Are you married?

Have you succeeded in getting married with this approach? How long have you been online dating and what has your experience?been?

I would be careful with wording questions like these. They can be interpreted in two ways: as a genuine curiosity and an invitation for him to share information, or as a gotcha question that questions his credibility.

Remember, Bizet outranks both of us. As an Heirloom member who has been around since the RVF 1.0 days, his title speaks for itself.

Approaching girls on the street definitely builds character, I’ll give it that. Back in 2018-2019, I was doing it a lot: I probably talked to around 600 women over those two years. Then COVID hit, and I switched to dating apps, and I haven’t really looked back since.

I genuinely think Hinge is your best bet for finding a girlfriend in 2024 (though, I’m still single, so take that with a pinch of salt haha). The app lets you filter for women who are looking for long-term relationships and those who identify as being Christian. Compare that to daygame, where you’re going in blind: you have no idea if she’s single, taken, or even interested in men. The return on investment with apps is way better.

That being said, I should really start adding daygame to my daily routine again, along with Hinge. I might start documenting my interactions here on this thread too.

This post should answer your questions. It also serves as proof of his abilities. Even the moderators had to put a warning that this isn't a game forum and that marriage is the goal, to prevent his powers from becoming unbound.

 

[Josephus]

I would be careful with wording questions like these. They can be interpreted in two ways: as a genuine curiosity and an invitation for him to share information, or as a gotcha question that questions his credibility.

Remember, Bizet outranks both of us. As an Heirloom member who has been around since the RVF 1.0 days, his title speaks for itself.

Frankly, I don’t care about ‘rank’ on a random online forum, it’s a fairly useless metric that has no effect on my life. What I care about is the truth and understanding reality.

It’s easy for someone to make a claim that we should use Hinge, be positive, and imply that we will succeed, so I’m simply asking if he’s been successful with this strategy and how it’s going for him. It’s a legitimate question.

I’ll give a corollary. Everyone their entire life has been told that if you just ‘work hard’ and have a ‘positive attitude’ you will become wealthy and successful. Yet, millions of people do this and if you look at the statistics, only a small percentage of even retirement age people reach a million in savings.

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So what gives? What gives is that ‘working hard’ in dating and ‘being positive about women’ is simply not sufficient to give you the result, i.e. a stable marriage with an attractive religious woman who will be a good mother.

I agree that your thinking affects and shapes reality, so you need to have a balanced perspective and not filter out examples of good women. There are many other factors at play.

So personally for me, I give more weight to guys that have walked the walk and succeeded, like the scary_robot guy.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

I don’t care about ‘rank’ on a random online forum...

Others do, and for them this is not some "random" online forum. Some members here have known each other for over a decade.

 

[Josephus]

Others do, and for them this is not some "random" online forum. Some members here have known each other for over a decade.

Hey man to each their own. I have productive PMs and conversations with certain guys here and met others from the previous iteration. My issue is if/when ‘rank’ is being used by a member here to prevent them being questioned on a topic, which is what was suggested in that post.

 

[iop890]

In the screenshot below, from a video titled "Priest Ranks Worst Addictions," I was watching until he ranked sex as "In The Lake of Fire" and porn as "Grip of the Devil." I disagreed and stopped watching.

While I find these videos ridiculous and think they exemplify some of the worst tendencies of 'American Orthodox', he's entirely correct on that. If economia weren't regularly employed to make up for modern weakness then fornication would usually result in a one year penance. How could anything that would prevent you from communing for that long be ranked any differently?

The last thing anyone on this forum should be doing is minimizing the sinfulness of fornication.

 

[Josephus]

While I find these videos ridiculous and think they exemplify some of the worst tendencies of 'American Orthodox', he's entirely correct on that. If economia weren't regularly employed to make up for modern weakness then fornication would usually result in a one year penance. How could anything that would prevent you from communing for that long be ranked any differently?

The last thing anyone on this forum should be doing is minimizing the sinfulness of fornication.

I totally agree it’s become soft, but I can only speak from the Catholic perspective…the penance for it is laughable. As someone who has struggled with these issues, after a few prayers and even myself telling the priest it’s not working, I am again sent off with pray more and no more actionable steps.

 

[RedLagoon]

Others do, and for them this is not some "random" online forum. Some members here have known each other for over a decade.

He really doesn't care because he wrote all that text to make sure that we know that he doesn't care ok?

 

[Samseau]

If economia weren't regularly employed to make up for modern weakness then fornication would usually result in a one year penance.

Actually the history of the Church is pretty mixed on the issue of pre-marital sex. Different remedies were applied by different bishops depending on the times.

Whoring, which is what the word 'fornication' traditionally meant, and not merely pre-marital sex, would always result in a stiff penance. But pre-marital sex usually just meant getting married to that girl. If the man or woman refused marriage then it could result in penance.

 

[Australia Sucks]

But pre-marital sex usually just meant getting married to that girl.

Ahh yes the old "you broke it you pay for it" rule. But if I am not mistaken most cultures only applied this rule to virgin women. You weren't required to marry a woman if you had not taken her virginity (i.e. had sex with a non-virgin). But I could be wrong about this as I do not claim to know enough about the topic.

 

[Samseau]

Ahh yes the old "you broke it you pay for it" rule. But if I am not mistaken most cultures only applied this rule to virgin women. You weren't required to marry a woman if you had not taken her virginity (i.e. had sex with a non-virgin). But I could be wrong about this as I do not claim to know enough about the topic.

The thing is, it was pretty much assumed a young married woman was virgin. How would anyone know otherwise?

And if the man claimed he did not break any hymen, that itself could cause a scandal. The family could then accuse him for lying, and it could get very ugly. A woman's honor was a big deal in ancient times. In fact, the burden of proof would probably be on the man to prove she wasn't a virgin - which other man was she with beforehand? Innocent until proven guilty.

The entire "blood on the bedsheets" was no guarantee either, a woman could be on her period and fake it. A man could also destroy the evidence and try to claim there was no blood, and I assume the more powerful of the families would win the public court. So it would be very risky to deny virginity.

In general, due to how messy and complex sexual relations were outside of marriage, 95% of women were virgins until marriage because they all knew the risks. Casual sex mainly existed for whores, and sometimes divorced or widowed women. Divorced or widowed women typically did not have the restraints of a young maiden living at home, and often had access to property from their previous husbands. Of course only divorced women who were wrongfully divorced would even have access to any property at all. Any adulteress would live out the rest of her life as a beggar.

Thus you had situations where a previously divorced woman could run through many men, as Christ said to the Samaritan woman at the well ("you hath five husbands"), although none of these women could compare to a whore. Whores are always on another level compared to regular women.

So, in most cases, unless the man was rich or powerful, and he bedded a lass, then pretty much everyone would know about it and push for him to marry her. The girl would be seen as very dishonorable ("like a whore") if she did not marry, and the man might even get a rape accusation thrown at him if he did not marry. In order to avoid the very severe social consequences, from everything I have read about in the past, marriage occurred 99,999/100,000 there was any sexual relationship. Seriously, other than due to some game of thrones level stuff, I cannot recall any stories where a woman's first time with a man did not result in him also becoming her husband.

Now, how successful or lasting those marriages were... that's another story.

 

[Australia Sucks]

The thing is, it was pretty much assumed a young married woman was virgin. How would anyone know otherwise?

And if the man claimed he did not break any hymen, that itself could cause a scandal. The family could then accuse him for lying, and it could get very ugly. A woman's honor was a big deal in ancient times. In fact, the burden of proof would probably be on the man to prove she wasn't a virgin - which other man was she with beforehand? Innocent until proven guilty.

The entire "blood on the bedsheets" was no guarantee either, a woman could be on her period and fake it. A man could also destroy the evidence and try to claim there was no blood, and I assume the more powerful of the families would win the public court. So it would be very risky to deny virginity.

In general, due to how messy and complex sexual relations were outside of marriage, 95% of women were virgins until marriage because they all knew the risks. Casual sex mainly existed for whores, and sometimes divorced or widowed women. Divorced or widowed women typically did not have the restraints of a young maiden living at home, and often had access to property from their previous husbands. Of course only divorced women who were wrongfully divorced would even have access to any property at all. Any adulteress would live out the rest of her life as a beggar.

Thus you had situations where a previously divorced woman could run through many men, as Christ said to the Samaritan woman at the well ("you hath five husbands"), although none of these women could compare to a whore. Whores are always on another level compared to regular women.

So, in most cases, unless the man was rich or powerful, and he bedded a lass, then pretty much everyone would know about it and push for him to marry her. The girl would be seen as very dishonorable ("like a whore") if she did not marry, and the man might even get a rape accusation thrown at him if he did not marry. In order to avoid the very severe social consequences, from everything I have read about in the past, marriage occurred 99,999/100,000. Seriously, other than due to some game of thrones level stuff, there was almost never a case of a woman's first time with a man not also becoming her husband.

Now, how successful or lasting those marriages were... that's another story.

Just curious does this system mean that if some man desired to marry a woman that way out of his league and would have no chance of marrying that he could rape her then as punishment (which is secretly actually a reward) he would get to marry the woman? Or was rape treated differently to consensual sex?

 

[Seng Hock]

My issue is if/when ‘rank’ is being used by a member here to prevent them being questioned on a topic, which is what was suggested in that post.

It would be unwise for any of us to awaken a sleeping giant.

So what gives? What gives is that ‘working hard’ in dating and ‘being positive about women’ is simply not sufficient to give you the result, i.e. a stable marriage with an attractive religious woman who will be a good mother.

I've thought about this extensively, and there must be an X factor that influences whether someone can find and marry a good woman. Individuals with seemingly extraordinary skills, such as Roosh V, Samseau, and Scorpion, are not married yet. However, if we look around us, we will find many people who don't even lift, have mediocre careers and education, earn minimum wages, yet are able to marry good women. There is something missing in our knowledge of getting women.

Back in mid-2024, I made a post asking if there are prayers that grant supernatural powers to attract women. I began to think this way because, around my place, despite having no intention to get married, Catholic priests and seminarians are very popular among women. This might sound outlandish, but I’ve seen it with my own eyes. The logic is that there is something irresistible about Catholic priests and seminarians that attracts women without them even trying. If we can analyze and extract the mechanism of this attraction, I believe we will have game-changing abilities.

One of the most astounding stories is that of Nick Vujicic, a man with disabilities, marrying a beautiful young woman. What did he do to attract such a wife? How can this be?

I believe the "smoking gun" is that Nick Vujicic is a Christian evangelist.

I am convinced that the God factor is the most crucial element in finding a wife. You can do everything right, like Roosh V, Samseau, and Scorpion, but if God has not willed it yet, they will not find a good wife. However, if God has willed it, no matter who you are—whether you are an average person or Nick Vujicic—you will find a good wife.

The big question now is how to get God to grant us the results we want. He is selective with His powers; for instance, Daniel survived being thrown into the lions' den, but Ignatius of Antioch was eaten to death despite being a man of God.

 

[RedLagoon]

We all love women let's keep it at that......

 

[Samseau]

Just curious does this system mean that if some man desired to marry a woman that way out of his league and would have no chance of marrying that he could rape her then as punishment (which is secretly actually a reward) he would get to marry the woman? Or was rape treated differently to consensual sex?

Rape was always considered a serious offense punishable by death in most times throughout history. The only ancient exception I can think of is in Deuteronomy: If a woman is raped but doesn't scream, then the man may marry her because she did not protest.

It would be unwise for any of us to awaken a sleeping giant.


I've thought about this extensively, and there must be an X factor that influences whether someone can find and marry a good woman. Individuals with seemingly extraordinary skills, such as Roosh V, Samseau, and Scorpion, are not married yet. However, if we look around us, we will find many people who don't even lift, have mediocre careers and education, earn minimum wages, yet are able to marry good women. There is something missing in our knowledge of getting women.

Back in mid-2024, I made a post asking if there are prayers that grant supernatural powers to attract women. I began to think this way because, around my place, despite having no intention to get married, Catholic priests and seminarians are very popular among women. This might sound outlandish, but I’ve seen it with my own eyes. The logic is that there is something irresistible about Catholic priests and seminarians that attracts women without them even trying. If we can analyze and extract the mechanism of this attraction, I believe we will have game-changing abilities.

One of the most astounding stories is that of Nick Vujicic, a man with disabilities, marrying a beautiful young woman. What did he do to attract such a wife? How can this be?

I believe the "smoking gun" is that Nick Vujicic is a Christian evangelist.

I am convinced that the God factor is the most crucial element in finding a wife. You can do everything right, like Roosh V, Samseau, and Scorpion, but if God has not willed it yet, they will not find a good wife. However, if God has willed it, no matter who you are—whether you are an average person or Nick Vujicic—you will find a good wife.

The big question now is how to get God to grant us the results we want. He is selective with His powers; for instance, Daniel survived being thrown into the lions' den, but Ignatius of Antioch was eaten to death despite being a man of God.

Brother I have met many seminarians who are bitterly single. Some Orthodox ones refuse to be ordained until they find a wife.

But Catholics require celibacy so I have no idea why you believe being a Catholic seminarian is good for finding a wife. You'd spend years at Seminary, only to get married and be stuck with a degree with no economic value and a wife to provide for (if she doesn't outright dump you for being broke)?