The Destruction of Modern Women

I want other men to know that nothing changes until collapse, but sure, a handful of you might hit the lotto. Good luck with that though.

You're being very honest about your intention and perspective here. More honest than when you claim you are looking for solutions, tips or constructive advice. I've wanted to say a lot more than I have in this thread because I find the negativity and blackpilling greatly disturbing but I keep finding that my words come out too aggressive or antagonistic. I can testify that I have not only marital success in my own life but have several close friends who are all happily married to quality women. For that matter, IRL I know more happy, successful married men than I know unhappily married or bitterly single men.

So in other words I know for a fact that it's not equivalent to winning the lottery, it's something that's very achievable. (I don't have any friends or acquaintances who have won the lottery, for the record.) However if you are determined to see only s***, s*** is all you will see. Like St. Paisios said, the bee and the fly. I don't want to debate you, I just want to let you know with love that you are not in touch with reality in this matter and I would strongly recommend opening your mind instead of trying to convince others of the perspective you currently have locked in tight.
 
Posting this here from a private conversation I'm having with a member. I think it's relevant to a lot of things we discuss in this thread.

think in all of this the role of menopause is under played. If you look at when menopause arrives with women, around 45-55 on average, this directly correlates with the age at which women start initiating the majority of divorces.

No-one talks about this. Many women change from being pleasant to someone snarky, pedantic and frumpy. It's not pleasant to see, let alone be married to.

Many men stuck in this trap hope that the person who comes out of the other side of it is reasonably pleasant.

At the same time, as a man you are just hitting your stride. We finally have direction and are building something for the future.

You can see how this would create an imbalance that would lead to divorce.

There's nothing to do but make sure one marries much younger than they are. Knowing women have an sexual expiration means you'll want them as young as possible. Of course, it's all relative. If you marry at 22, and your wife is 18, then you'll get 40 years of her before she hits menopause. Conversely if you marry someone who is 28 but you're 38, then you only have about 30 years or so before menopause.

All you can do is count the good years you have with the wife and prepare for the inevitable elderly years.
 
I remember years ago on Rooshv forum a funny post from Leonard De Neubache explaining how men on the internet cannot give relationship advice to other men because it will never be accepted and the interaction will go something like this:

Guy giving advice: This is what I think.....
Other guy: Yeah but you don't even have a girlfriend yet what would you know about relationships

Guy giving advice: This is what I think.....
Other guy: Yeah you have a girlfriend but you aren't even married yet.

Guy giving advice: This is what I think.....
Other guy: Yeah you are married but you don't even have kids yet. When you have kids everything changes and lots of people get divorced after having kids.

Guy giving advice: This is what I think.....
Other guy: Yeah you are successfully married with 3 kids but your boomer advice is worthless now because you got married 25 years ago and the world has changed so much since then that the advice is no longer relevant. Women are much worse now.
 
All you can do is count the good years you have with the wife and prepare for the inevitable elderly years.
I am not saying its right by the way but in the old days for a lot of wealthy men they may not have got divorced but their marriage shifted from being a genuine marriage when the woman was young to being more of a cohabitation when the woman got older with the man just having mistresses on the side to deal with the wife's declining attractiveness.
 
I don't get out too often unless it's for work or a quick commando-style visit to a store, in-and-out unobserved. But I have to vent. I find women increasingly annoying. Especially older women. This feeling was brought up out my subconscious after I was about to enter a Dollar General and held the door for an old woman, only for her to slowly get a cart then wait for an old man to leave through a different door. She was waiting for him to get through when she had all the time in the world to get out of his way entirely by entering the store through my holding the door open for her. After waiting maybe 10 seconds, which felt like forever when it comes to door holding, with no progress on her end and the old man taking forever to leave (I wasn't able to get to his door) I stopped and let go of the door and entered the store, feeling irritated.

What annoyed me is how women won't even acknowledge when you are doing something for them. Especially the older ones. She was caught up in doing what she thought was polite to the old man. I don't like the dynamic of door holding, and I definitely didn't appreciate feeling invisible. That reminded me of hoemath and his little visual aid when he covers up men from 1-7 in the 1-10 attractiveness pyramid. He covers them up because he says these men are literally invisible to women, they do not see these men. I believe it. I'm no looker and I met my wife long before I knew anything about game, and I notice I am hardly seen by women. I'm not saying I want them to see me as attractive, not at all, what I'm saying is I'm noticing none of them, young or old, notice me at all, notice me as a human.

When I worked customer service for many years, middle-aged and older women were always the worst to work with, especially Westerners. I also think they are pretty dumb on average. Dumb men I feel like I can still speak to, but dumb women it's pointless.

I don't think I have had any pleasant or good experiences with older women, and I have never been able to recall a good conversation, even in overhearing one (I don't even want to have a conversation with my mother-in-law or my own mother anymore, now that I've been an adult for a few decades and I feel like I have even less in common with them than when I was a teenager). I think I harbor some bitterness at women, especially the older ones, because I sense, or am maybe prejudiced, that many of them have had easy lives and are still unpleasant. The other day we had a client, whose daughter is paying for her service, give us some scheduling troubles. She rescheduled multiple times, and then when she asked if we were coming, the day before we were scheduled to come, and we had to correct her, she harrumphed and cancelled the service for the month. Great, thanks, you're retired and not even paying and in a moment of wrath you take food out of my child's mouth.

As I get older I am more aware of the sin of women. When I was young I didn't think women sinned, they all seemed so nice and spotless. The red pill pulled the wool away, but I still didn't have many experiences with women. Now I've had a lot of experience, non-romantic, and simple interactions with them are nauseating. Has anyone else felt like they want nothing to do with women the older they get? What do you even do about that?



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The actual greatest QB of all time, still married:
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More honest than when you claim you are looking for solutions, tips or constructive advice.
I appreciate straight shooters, so I'm not offended by the mini dig here, since I don't get offended. Iakobos, you have no idea what my honesty level and constitution is, and yes it could be way worse than you think (it is the internet after all) but you still wouldn't know (it isn't). I'm very straight forward that the only real solution - and that means for someone like me, at the very least - is overseas. I'm not looking for solutions?
I just want to let you know with love that you are not in touch with reality in this matter and I would strongly recommend opening your mind instead of trying to convince others of the perspective you currently have locked in tight.
I think the hardest thing for you to understand here is that you are totally guessing. You have no context regarding what you are claiming here (something about me). None. What do I need to convince people of? Just walk outside or check out how addicted to phones most are, how they listen to others more than their husbands, how the law backstops them, how bad behavior is promoted in America and the west, etc.

And I don't doubt that you do mean that you want the "best" for me or you are doing that with love. The truth might be that you are content with women that I wouldn't consider. There are levels to this - somebody's gotta do it. I have a context (my own family and history, which I know well), so I have described in detail why I have the positions I do. Marriage and kids aren't the be all end all. They are blessings and the married life definitely comes with sacrifice. I know too much about people and personalities to worry about criticism, which everyone should always bring to another so he examines himself. In that vein, I thank you.
 
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Just ridiculous, they are both multi-millionaires, and Peyton has not won as many Superbowl's as Brady.
 
Just ridiculous, they are both multi-millionaires,
Hypergamy means women want men with more money, which in the case of Brady vs Giselle she makes more. She clearly sees herself as above Brady and was unwilling to submit to her husband’s wishes.
and Peyton has not won as many Superbowl's as Brady.
Brady is a cheater.
 
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I wrote a whole post with some deep personal experiences in it but deleted it because this topic is just too retarded and starting to annoy me and that says something coming from someone who is half retarded, this thread is full retard.

The core is this if we did a poll on the beliefs and attitudes the married men on this forum hold about women and marriage vs the unmarried ones we would probably see why each member falls into one category or the other. Its a glass is half full vs glass is half empty mentality.

Im going to exagurate to make the point but wouldnt it be insane for a married man to look at his wife and think i have to enjoy her good years before she becomes menopausal and loses all her physical attractiveness, and maybe by that time i can get mistresses as if we are going to be brad pitt or leonardo dicaprio. No we will likely end up old weak unattractive and tired LIKE MOST PEOPLE its part of life.

Try to be gratefull to have anyone at all. Especially if you are focussed on finding a woman much younger than you gues who will get old first ?. Why are we fantasizing about doing better than something WE DONT EVEN HAVE RIGHT NOW its absurd. And even if you where in a relationship or married this kind of thinking would be ultra self sabotaging. How can i get the most value out of a woman, this is a perspective of greed not love.

We will never get married if all we are doing is repeating and strengthening a greedy and negative perspective on women and relationships and society psy opping yourself with the fear of divorce rape or disloyalty or menopause or statistics. It is logical to assume anyone who is getting married is likely to have been focussing on positive things about relationships and sees marriage and the woman they are with in a largely positive light and didnt overthink about all the pros and cons too much. How else did they decide to do it then ?. Maybe married men can weigh in here.

But keep holding on to these ideas that have proven to be not working out. Maybe the normies we despised had it right all along and we shouldve taken some notes out of their book instead of judging them and adopting fringe perspectives.

All i can say is for me personally i need to learn to be content and apreciative to have any woman at all and love at all in my life again. Because i did have it several times before and threw it away, so in a way i am not deserving of it. But if i do meet someone and she has less ideal quailities than what i had in the past so be it then i will work on loving her just as much because these are the consequences for the choices made and what you have to live with. If you are holding out or not satisfied and cant pull the trigger on the relationships you have gotten its likely you are just overestimating yourself. Don't make it more complicated than it has to be, tell your mind to stfu and marry the first half decent woman that comes your way. Pull the trigger, we will all grow old and frail, sex drive will be gone, barely able to walk, hands shaking holding a cup of water. Time is running out. Stop overthinking, stop being such a retard.

I still have 1 to 2 years of rehabilitation and healing to do before i can get back to where i was before and find love again, there is not a day that goes by that i do not think about my last girl to cherish the memories and remind myself to repent. If you are able to date at all, able to work, healthy etc you dont even realize how blessed you are. Maybe you too need to be humbled by life.

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Before, I think in this thread, I mentioned how I thought women's gym culture is a bad development. A quick google search convinces me a lot more women have signed up for gym memberships and the last time I set foot in a YMCA I noticed a lot of young women lifting weights and looking a lot better than I remember young women looking in the 90s and 00s. As much as we all like beautiful women, I'm concerned its actually a net negative for society.

Both men and women go to the gym to get in shape in order to attract a high-status partner if they are not already hitched or have other plans, such as body dysmorphia and addiction to working out. We all know women are hypergamous, they don't date down. Essentially the amount of men who work out hasn't changed, but the amount of women who work out has increased. Women have been drawn into an arms race where they are raising the average attractiveness of all the women in the dating pool. Each woman's relative attractiveness matters more than her absolute change. In order to stay competitive, more women have to go to the gym.

If women who were previously dating average men now feel they can access better men due to their improved appearance, they move upmarket, which increases competition for the top men and leaves more average men unmatched. I think the more women get into the gym the more unbalanced we will see the dating market. More people will stay single or be dissatisfied. I am also thinking of young adults, not old folks.

I think the gym culture of our times is an aid in the destruction of modern women. With all of these women now in the gym, you don't hear about Gen Z mentioning how great dating is, instead they experience even more scarcity.

A conclusion I have, perhaps regrettably, formulated is this: men can't complain about the women in their church being less attractive than the thots at their gym or on Instagram. Those less attractive women are there for the taking, it's their faith that is more important. One can always encourage a healthy lifestyle after the fact.
 
Praying for you brother to make a full recovery.

I agree with much of your post and it sounds like there are some similarities in our experiences/journeys. However, do not do this:
... marry the first half decent woman that comes your way....
Because:
... marriage is simply not meant for every man...
As such, some of us must accept the possibility that we do not have the skill sets necessary to cohabitate peacefully with women. We can change this with reflection, humbleness, and hard work but some of us, like myself, are running out of time and may be unwilling or unable to make such changes. I for example, see the focus of improving oneself to attract a woman as the very definition of simping, and it is best for my remaining time here on earth to focus on God and not earthly accomplishments, "possesssions," and things (like marriage).
... we will all grow old and frail, sex drive will be gone, barely able to walk, hands shaking holding a cup of water. Time is running out...
Dying alone is nothing to fear. Time is an illusion and should not be used as a motivator to rush into marriage (not saying you were saying that, it's just a word of caution).
Stop overthinking...
Overthinking can definitely be a problem, but much of what is going on here is venting and trying ideas out and processing them through feedback which is better than going out there into the world and running your mouth and unnecessarily blowing up a relationship or otherwise getting yourself into trouble. This thread is for all intents and purposes a think tank where men are processing the world as they see it and for any man that thinks that this thread is a blackpill sink hole of nothingness they should simply hit the ignore button.
 
but much of what is going on here is venting and trying ideas out and processing them through feedback which is better than going out there into the world and running your mouth and unnecessarily blowing up a relationship or otherwise getting yourself into trouble. This thread is for all intents and purposes a think tank where men are processing the world as they see it and for any man that thinks that this thread is a blackpill sink hole of nothingness they should simply hit the ignore button.
Yes certainly my posts are a way to vent also, and i like to use hyperboles and figure of speech. Its more like a public diary and maybe it speaks to someone if they feel it hits something inside of them. What gets to me is the ideas here are precisely what made me blow up my relationships not help them. And the extent to which it helped to attain the relationships is negligable. A think tank and feedback cycle should lead to progressively better and more usefull ideas and results, that does not seem to be the case.

''Your bike (or automobile) TENDS to go in the direction you are looking because, via experience, you have taught yourself to steer, more or less subconsciously. To take advantage of that phenomenon you merely need to actively look in the direction you want to go - away from danger.'' The name of the thread itself is steering it towards blackpilling, and most of the ideas within it will lead to relationship failures its a self fulfilling prophecy.

Gym culture in general has gotten worse over time for everyone due to instagram and tiktok it affects men negatively too. The internet did a number on us all.
 
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Im going to exagurate to make the point but wouldnt it be insane for a married man to look at his wife and think i have to enjoy her good years before she becomes menopausal and loses all her physical attractiveness
People who have bad outcomes didn't think in the first place, nor thought about this. Your take is normie level here, that's why we are where we are.
Why are we fantasizing about doing better than something WE DONT EVEN HAVE RIGHT NOW its absurd.
No one is fantasizing. We have recent past and history to see it's all going in one direction: worse. Having a woman is not necessarily better than what we (don't) have right now. Read that again.
How can i get the most value out of a woman, this is a perspective of greed not love.
Again, you're missing the point. Man X brings state or status Y. We're asking about getting anything at all in return, that's the point. The greed side is on the other side, my friend, let's be real.
It is logical to assume anyone who is getting married is likely to have been focussing on positive things about relationships and sees marriage and the woman they are with in a largely positive light and didnt overthink about all the pros and cons too much. How else did they decide to do it then ?.
Again, I don't think you are analyzing what's going on accurately. Your presumptions are incorrect. Most people just follow and do what is expected, or listen to others, or just listen to their emotions, hormones or little head. They didn't think at all and most (not all) are relatively trapped and justify it to others. Why would a guy tell you it sucks to come home after working and have a wife do very little, if anything, for him? Only my really good friends tell me that, and it's super rare to be that close. One told me because he knows I already was talking about how in 1 generation, or 1.5, a woman no longer even did what her mom did for her dad at home. That's literally his story. I don't make things up - and it's quite obvious and evident that the issue is not with men these days, let's be clear.
If women who were previously dating average men now feel they can access better men due to their improved appearance, they move upmarket, which increases competition for the top men and leaves more average men unmatched. I think the more women get into the gym the more unbalanced we will see the dating market. More people will stay single or be dissatisfied. I am also thinking of young adults, not old folks.
This by definition has to be incorrect. Women finally becoming more attractive for others is bad? LOL.

The issue you may be talking about is the fact that they might be getting more attractive/fit for a smartphone or monetization. Understand this important difference. Regardless, men won't be wifing up women regardless of attractiveness until they do things like cook clean and the laws change. I ain't holding my breath, thus I talk about overseas as the only option, and that has declined in the last 15 years as well. I'm honest.
 
Before, I think in this thread, I mentioned how I thought women's gym culture is a bad development. A quick google search convinces me a lot more women have signed up for gym memberships and the last time I set foot in a YMCA I noticed a lot of young women lifting weights and looking a lot better than I remember young women looking in the 90s and 00s. As much as we all like beautiful women, I'm concerned its actually a net negative for society.

Both men and women go to the gym to get in shape in order to attract a high-status partner if they are not already hitched or have other plans, such as body dysmorphia and addiction to working out. We all know women are hypergamous, they don't date down. Essentially the amount of men who work out hasn't changed, but the amount of women who work out has increased. Women have been drawn into an arms race where they are raising the average attractiveness of all the women in the dating pool. Each woman's relative attractiveness matters more than her absolute change. In order to stay competitive, more women have to go to the gym.

If women who were previously dating average men now feel they can access better men due to their improved appearance, they move upmarket, which increases competition for the top men and leaves more average men unmatched. I think the more women get into the gym the more unbalanced we will see the dating market. More people will stay single or be dissatisfied. I am also thinking of young adults, not old folks.

I think the gym culture of our times is an aid in the destruction of modern women. With all of these women now in the gym, you don't hear about Gen Z mentioning how great dating is, instead they experience even more scarcity.

A conclusion I have, perhaps regrettably, formulated is this: men can't complain about the women in their church being less attractive than the thots at their gym or on Instagram. Those less attractive women are there for the taking, it's their faith that is more important. One can always encourage a healthy lifestyle after the fact.
It isn't gym culture that is the culprit, but this observation is a good observation in the decline of society. Gym culture is just the next step. This happened to men after "Pumping Iron" came out. My dad was athletic, he played college sports, and he barely ever worked out in a gym. He played in men's sporting leagues and push mowed the lawn, but I never remember him really lifting weights. He had a family by the time Pumping Iron came out, and going to a gym was just largely not a thing for men their age.

I started to hit the gym as soon as I could. And in the early 1990's it was a almost a fringe thing for men. It was mostly single guys or some athletes, who were willing to put in extra effort. By the late 1990's, with boy bands and women having more freedom to behave like whores, more men started to flood the gym in a "arms war" to attract women.

Now it is women's turn, they are now stepping up to the plate and hitting the gym in this "arms war". The difference is, the men did it to be attractive to women, as with women's hypergamous nature, they are doing it to land a wealthy/top level man. The outcome desire is different. And most women will be very disappointed, simply because these men are very rare and in high demand.

I would not be surprised if some men start to lightly use make-up to try to attract women. Not a lot, but some, though it seems like most men are at their wits end and have gone as far as they will go in trying to attract a mate, because nothing is good enough for most women, other than being very wealthy, which is just simply out of reach for most men.

I saw a good quote on women's equality, and it was basically that women were failing so miserably and destroying everything, that either western men would remove women's equality one day to save their countries or eastern men would conquer the countries due to controlling their own women, and no matter which will happen, the women of the west will sigh a heavy relief. Women are not designed for responsibility, working 40 hours a week, and all the nuances that come with being a man. Even as easy as we make it for them, and men still take on most the burden, women are unable to handle it. And as time moves forward and the average man has less and less to offer women, women will be stuck with more and more burden. Now to the point an estimated 8% of women 18 to 25 in the USA are on Only Fans and the Sugar Daddy craze is exploding.

Women's equality has been a strong lesson learned, and it is a massive failure for everyone. Women are begging for it to be removed with their actions and not their empty words. But it will not be removed for a long time due to the satanic elites making it center of their desires. So, until that time, we will see the collapse of civilization. Which will be 90% of women chasing 5% of men, and 95% of men saying "I don't care about anything" which will then cause the collapse. And in this case, it will be men with children who will be impacted the most as their kids will inherit this hellish world.

Oh, and if anyone is interested, see who the usual suspects were behind the rise of bodybuilding for men in the west.
 
What? Really? I wasn't aware of this, but it doesn't surprise me. I could see homosexual men using some, but straight men as well?
I'm afraid so.
According to a 2022 study by global market research firm Ipsos, 15% of heterosexual American men ages 18 to 65 use male cosmetics and makeup, and an additional 17% would consider using it in the future.
 
I had some shower thoughts on this and I almost conclude that sexiness is satanic. The sexier someone becomes, the more powerful they become, and they induce sin in others by inflaming lust. God is love, not lust. I used to think if a man worked on being sexier, he'd increase his chances of scoring a good wife. Instead, it seems like a lot of men who work on their sexiness attract homosexuals and the worst kind of shallow women.

I just think if someone uses the gym, or clothes, or other means, like implants, plastic surgery, to go beyond attractive into the realm of sexy it is no different than someone abusing their body in the other direction by overeating and turning into a fat slob. The sexier someone becomes the more they open themselves up to more sexual partners, and we recognize that sleeping around is not good for society, pair-bonding, family formation, and so on.

I should probably say, I don't think people should be ugly or unattractive, but I think there is a line one can cross when you enter into the realm of people suddenly lusting after you. I view sexiness as a satanic inversion of beautiful. We form beautiful families, not sexy ones. Excessive sexiness leads to a lack of family formation and ultimately the inability to pair-bond. It's destructive and damaging to people, Roosh being an example of this around these parts. It can lead one to the door of temptation.
 
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