The Destruction of Modern Women

That is sad. Fame and love from the masses often feels better to the atheistic artist than the singular love of a spouse. There are exceptions of course, but very few. Stevie is an addict (Gold Dust Woman) and so it is of no surprise that she finds solice in "shopping" and "performing" to fill the void of her and Lindsey's lost love.

Stevie has probably never written a great song without some kind of help from Lindsey. Songs like Landslide in particular were basically arranged and co-written by Lindsey, and the song is most definitely about their relationship. But then again almost every great song Buckingham or Nicks ever wrote is about their relationship. That is why, in part, that their wells have run dry creatively (age being another factor).

In the below clip you can hear the regret and defensive copium in Stevie's voice with regards to losing Lindsey to "the band" (i.e her choosing fame and the rock n' roll lifestyle over marriage and family).


I agree. Also, I believe that any mass popular musician has to sell their soul to get there, and she seems to be a pretty clear cut case. She's only doubled down on her "rock star" stories. I've never seen any signs of repentance.

I agree she's not any kind of virtuoso. I think she has a cool, distinctive voice. I think they have some very good songs that everybody knows but she only contributed so much creatively. I think she put together a striking look for the time and had a magnetic feminine aura that was a powerful force for many fans. I think all the drama of the band's romantic shenanigans was fascinating to the masses. Some of her solo songs are good, but who knows how much help she had with the writing and arrangement. Probably a lot.
 
Do you want a gal to love you? There are lots of women out there who would love to love a good man.
ya, but I invested a lot in Disney junk to the point where I created a whole thread on here about it. I’m more in the same page as Fr Trendham is.



He did this piece in regards to the topic.

what’s a good man tho? When he doesn’t let her have her “breaks” and dumps her he’s just controlling and abusive. I believe regardless of sex, people need to know what they’re getting into in regards to sexual relationships… unfortunately we’re so severed from the metaphysics of that it’s all a mess. I’m seriously surprised monasticism isn’t making a come back.
 
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ya, but I invested a lot in Disney junk to the point where I created a whole thread on here about it. I’m more in the same page as Fr Trendham is.

what’s a good man tho? When he doesn’t let her have her “breaks” and dumps her he’s just controlling and abusive. I believe regardless of sex, people need to know what they’re getting into in regards to sexual relationships… unfortunately we’re so severed from the metaphysics of that it’s all a mess. I’m seriously surprised monasticism isn’t making a come back.
I'm sorry that relationship didn't work out for you. I totally agree that marriage is God's. It's by humbling myself and praying a simple prayer over a period of time, asking God to bring me a Godly, good-hearted man, that God brought my husband to me. Marriage isn't easy, but even though I had a pretty good single life that was peaceful and prosperous, I always thought being married would be preferable to being single and I never reveled in the single girl life that the powers that be tried to sell me.

If a woman needs a break, she's either not that into you, or there are serious problems in the relationship that you're probably contributing to. My husband and I have had some bad fights and there were times I thought we wouldn't make it. From the beginning, I told him I didn't know how couples manage to stick together without God, without the understanding that there will be times your husband or wife, their weaknesses and flaws, will be the cross you have to bear, and it goes both ways. Thank God, we're getting better at handing disagreements and the hard times are reducing in frequency and intensity.

Yes, one of the biggest cons of the modern age is the idea that sex is just sex and not a deeply spiritual connection. It's one of the key ideas that has wreaked such havoc on people's well-being.
 
I've seen an American woman with somewhat traditional values marry a quite traditional foreign, non-white man, yes. I've also seen a less traditional American woman marry a somewhat conservative foreign man. In both of these cases, the guy wasn't bottom of the barrel. Both of them are close to top tier in terms of wealth, status, looks, physique, style, etc. One is a doctor with his own practice and a related business he started. The other is a tech executive and his parents are part of the government in his country.

That makes sense. Neither of the men I mention above were the most conservative/trad - but much more than the typical Western guy. The typical Western guy, like the typical Western girl, wants to "have fun" and stretch it out indefinitely to make sure his woman fits his perfect idealized vision before he even thinks about marriage. Foreign men are more likely to talk about a serious future within a few dates, if not on the first date.

The second guy I mentioned has very conservative parents who wanted him to marry a woman from his country and were pressuring him. But he said he was attracted to white women, he married a white American woman, and his parents learned to accept her.
Again this is why you can’t have a logical discussion with women because they are emotional not logical.

A typical type conversation on these types of topics Between men and women:

Man: “Statistics from a 2018 study from the department of social sciences of the University of Harvard show that 95% of women do xyz”

Woman: “But me and my friends don’t do that!”

What you and your friends personally do is statistically irrelevant when the population of USA is 300 - 400 million.

Again there are scores of statistics which which marriages between Americans and foreigners (and the same for all anglosphere countries) are gender wise very lopsided with American men and foreign women being far more common than the inverse.

And again there are whole massive industries catered towards anglosphere men meeting foreign women (Russian marriage agencies, marriage tours in Latin America, Thailand and Colombia sex industries etc) but very little in the way of the opposite catering for anglosphere women to meet foreign men (maybe female sex tourism in the Gambia and Jamaica?) and even inside America (or other western countries) there are no mass market industries (speed dating, marriage agencies, specialised dating apps, specialised matchmaking agencies etc) catering towards anglosphere women dating foreign men.

The fact is the average American (and anglosphere woman) woman is a fat, poorly dressed opinionated narcissistic feminist and foreign men don’t really want them except for quick and easy sex.

The fact that the situation for you and your friends is different is statistically irrelevant.

According to Grok the marriages between American born citizens and foreigners is 55% of the time the male is American.

So the imbalance doesn’t appear that big at first glance but if you dig deeper (hard to get accurate statistics) and use common sense you will see the marriages between “American” women and foreign men are actually non Anglo women marrying within their own culture. E.g a Mexican woman who was born in USA to a Mexican father and a Mexican mother (statistics still count her as being American) will go back to Mexico and marry some Mexican guy her family introduces her to and bring the guy back to USA etc.

Statistically the chances of say an Anglo heritage American (or British or Australian) woman marrying a Russian or South African or Colombian man etc are very slim.

What happens in your small social circle (which is not a representative sample of the whole population due to various reasons) is irrelevant statistically to what happens in society on a larger scale.
 
Women just don't have the raw creativity, passion, talent, and testosterone necessary to pack a 100 thousand screaming fans into a park in Rio and level the place with a legendary performance that reverberates through the halls of humanity for decades.
I agree. Although Shakira should get an honourable mention in that regards (while she can’t compare to the greatest men she is still pretty captivating). But yes of course she isn’t in the rock genre. But she still has a lot of pizzaz and is memorable and 30 years from now people will still be dancing to hips don’t lie.
 
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I'm not saying mixed marriages are a good thing or a bad thing. I was only responding to the claim that no foreign men want to marry Western women. Plenty of top-tier foreign men (as well as top-tier Western men, like my husband) want to marry Western women.
And just to further my point on the old Roosh V forum there were tonnes of links to articles posted (many written by women) about how female English teachers in Asia were complaining about how bad their dating lives were and how they were returning home because nobody wanted to date them.

I’ve travelled a lot and I’ve never been to a country where the local men have anything positive to say about anglosphere women apart from that they are “easy”/slutty.

You argument is just completely absurd.

You are extrapolating your small social circle is completely unrepresentative of society at large.
 
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Again this is why you can’t have a logical discussion with women because they are emotional not logical.
Maybe I am more emotional. But my arguments here aren't emotional arguments, and I didn't reply to your post emotionally. I logically stated that statistics are limited and we could probably both find some stats to support our argument, which is true.

I did some queries on ChatGPT and got the same answer as you - slightly more American men marry foreign women than American women marry foreign men (55% compared to 45%).

Man: “Statistics from a 2018 study from the department of social sciences of the University of Harvard show that 95% of women do xyz”

Woman: “But me and my friends don’t do that!”

What you and your friends personally do is statistically irrelevant when the population of USA is 300 - 400 million.
As an Orthodox Christian, I live among a small minority (4% of the world population, 1% of the U.S. population), so I'm not super concerned about the values and beliefs of the majority.

I only replied to your post because I believe you're wrong. If I think about it a little deeper, I consider that maybe there's a young Western woman reading this forum who wants to find a good man, but she reads posts like yours about how no men want Western women and she's pushed slightly in the direction of despair and despondency. I want that young woman to know the real truth, because the real truth is a lot more hope-inspiring than your biased point of view. We get that you don't like Western women. That doesn't mean you speak for all men.

The odds of my husband and me finding each other were... very, very small. At the time, we were both trying to meet someone in our area, in person or on a dating site, but we weren't finding anyone suitable. I chatted on dating sites with lots of eligible bachelors, but every last one of them, in spite of many attractive qualities, got the Covid vaccine. I had already decided I wasn't interested in someone who got the vaccine, but it blew me away how all these great guys just went along with the program to keep their job or not be restricted in any way.

Then my husband found me online. Not only was he the ONLY suitable man I talked to for almost a year who didn't get the vaccine and saw completely eye to eye with me on that point - but we also had an amazing degree of compatibility and a natural instant attraction on all levels.

If I paid too much attention to the odds, to the statistics, I might have given up and sunk into despondency. According to the statistics, it was very unlikely I was ever going to meet someone suitable for me who had the same values. We defied the odds completely, and that's my life. That's why I don't put a whole lot of stock into statistics.
 
Maybe I am more emotional. But my arguments here aren't emotional arguments, and I didn't reply to your post emotionally. I logically stated that statistics are limited and we could probably both find some stats to support our argument, which is true.

I did some queries on ChatGPT and got the same answer as you - slightly more American men marry foreign women than American women marry foreign men (55% compared to 45%).


As an Orthodox Christian, I live among a small minority (4% of the world population, 1% of the U.S. population), so I'm not super concerned about the values and beliefs of the majority.

I only replied to your post because I believe you're wrong. If I think about it a little deeper, I consider that maybe there's a young Western woman reading this forum who wants to find a good man, but she reads posts like yours about how no men want Western women and she's pushed slightly in the direction of despair and despondency. I want that young woman to know the real truth, because the real truth is a lot more hope-inspiring than your biased point of view. We get that you don't like Western women. That doesn't mean you speak for all men.

The odds of my husband and me finding each other were... very, very small. At the time, we were both trying to meet someone in our area, in person or on a dating site, but we weren't finding anyone suitable. I chatted on dating sites with lots of eligible bachelors, but every last one of them, in spite of many attractive qualities, got the Covid vaccine. I had already decided I wasn't interested in someone who got the vaccine, but it blew me away how all these great guys just went along with the program to keep their job or not be restricted in any way.

Then my husband found me online. Not only was he the ONLY suitable man I talked to for almost a year who didn't get the vaccine and saw completely eye to eye with me on that point - but we also had an amazing degree of compatibility and a natural instant attraction on all levels.

If I paid too much attention to the odds, to the statistics, I might have given up and sunk into despondency. According to the statistics, it was very unlikely I was ever going to meet someone suitable for me who had the same values. We defied the odds completely, and that's my life. That's why I don't put a whole lot of stock into statistics.
There are many men sitting in USA and Canada etc who one day dream of going to Ukraine to marry a Ukrainian woman.

Do you really think there are Ukrainian men sitting in Ukraine dreaming of one day going to America to marry an American woman? It sounds silly doesn’t it?

Which just proves my point about the desirability of western women on a global basis.

Even your premise is completely flawed, there is an oversupply of good men in the United States. The shortage is of good quality women not of good quality men. Logically only one side of the equation by definition can have a shortage.

And your story makes no sense either because so much detail is left out. According to Grok AI there are around 134 million adult males living in the USA and around 37.5 million of them received no covid vaccines. Literally 28% of adult males in USA received no COVID vaccines and yet the way you describe it you act as if you were looking for a needle in a haystack to find an unvaccinated man.

What you really mean is you struggled to find a man who fit all of your other criteria (e.g. must be orthodox Christian and must want to get married and have children and must be tall and handsome and have a good job) in addition to being unvaccinated.

This is why you cannot have conversations with women about serious things because they live in fantasy land and refuse to be intellectually honest.

Again there is no shortage of good men for western women to marry. They just are too picky and also don’t look for a husband when they are young and desirable. Any average looking non fat American woman aged 18 - 23 has a virtually endless supply of high quality suitors. But they all want a top 1% man which they obviously cannot all have.

Stop trying to gaslight everyone and pretending women are the victims here and it’s hard for them to find a good husband. It’s dishonest.
 
Even your premise is completely flawed, there is an oversupply of good men in the United States. The shortage is of good quality women not of good quality men. Logically only one side of the equation by definition can have a shortage.
I talk about this all the time mostly because people just don't understand math. They focus on the people at the 50th percentile and lower, because it's easier than to say that most people they see are trash, since they are numerous (especially compared to the "desirables" which may be as high as the top decile, or 90th percentile). The real reason this is true, and that men are objectively better in many ways than men of the past (which doesn't matter because women are consensus or status quo thinkers and compare only the status quo), is because there are far more and they are even greater providers. The difference in modernity is that women don't want to give their high value younger ages to men, which is an objective desire that all men have to commit. So women of the past not only gave their youth and did all the other things that men would commit to, they also had the other qualities that weren't manly since they weren't working or largely weren't trying to be men (louder, promiscuous/experienced, competing, making money, etc).

I don't know how one would ever argue against any of this since a) such a position would not be based at all on reality and b) you have to be a type that just yells at the clouds because men won't commit to a woman unless she has what they desire. No one blames the consumer if they don't want a product and tries to shame them into buying it, they change the product if it's a loser. Modern women try to shame the people they are selling to, it happens all the time, the prime example being old women acting like they don't know why men aren't interested any longer, or hating that men like younger women, etc.
Again there is no shortage of good men for western women to marry. They just are too picky and also don’t look for a husband when they are young and desirable. Any average looking non fat American woman aged 18 - 23 has a virtually endless supply of high quality suitors. But they all want a top 1% man which they obviously cannot all have.
Facts.

It can be that it is hard to find Orthodox people or any other group, especially if you aren't a highly exclusive community that actually does matchmaking or enhances the meeting chances of younger men and women. I see that sadly as just another modern problem; what went well and with ease in the past due to culture the parents didn't think about, so they got lulled into thinking that was just how things are. When things changed for women in the society and they went with it, they simultaneously sabotaged their own daughters. If we're honest, few had daughters that would be the 7s or higher that would get thousands of offers a year from "quality" men, thus the problem.
 
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