The Destruction of Modern Women

[Droughtmeat]

Today's makeup trend has ruined women. Black women in America are best example of this bollocks. Explains why I see so many Black men jumping on the passport bro planes. The problem is they are also spreading their problems unconsciously to foreign women now...

I don't really see Black American passport bros having success in areas they weren't having success in before anyway. For example, like any guy with western money they've always been able to get Latina women in those countries, but everyone knows the potential risks when pursuing those. I'm not bothered by them pursuing Spanish, German, French, Australian and other western women, cause it doesn't really change much.

As for Eastern European women, they've been pursued by Arabs and Turks since time immemorial. Just ask any Russian, Ukrainian, Serbian etc. girl what it's like when they go on vacation to Greece or Turkey. Therefore, they can detect any wealthy (in comparison) man with purely sexual intentions from a mile away.

I personally still think passport bros pale in comparison to the PUA datasheet era where guys were systematically targeting specific venues at specific times in specific places in a given country or city. Those were truly organized sexual pursuits. In all likelihood trad wives are not being lost to guys looking for one night stands, regardless of race. The exception here would obviously be real textbooks players, as in men who deceive women into believing they want something serious just to have sex with them once and leave. What would be interesting though would be to see the impact that digital nomads have in those traditional communities, given that they integrate to a certain degree but only stay temporarily.

I'd still definitely be interested to know what kind of problems you have in mind Based.

Yes absolutely. I'm 34 and do not get nervous around most women like I used to. But around a college aged girl with wife potential, I act just like you described. Thankfully I'm a lot better at hiding it than I used to be.

I don't think they even care if a man is awkward around them, and it's because they haven't been sleeping around. Most of the time the girls are nervous and awkward too, which is a good sign.

I wouldn't necessarily call it nervousness in my case, especially not when talking to the girl casually for the first time. However, if after talking to her for a few weeks or a month I start to see wife level qualities and opinions, it's almost as if I get a palpable feeling or confirmation that I could envision myself being with her long term, start a family etc. Thus, I become aware of the fact that I could very well fall in love with her. It's a feeling that's simply not accessible when I talk to a girl in her 30s no matter how long we talk for.

And now that I think of it the list of things is actually kind of short. It includes stuff like: she eats meat, she feels the same way about the plandemic as I do, she's feminine, low body count, Christian, has a sense of humour that allows us to joke about each other. It's an absolute tragedy that that's so hard to find here nowadays.

 

[FrancisK]

As for Eastern European women, they've been pursued by Arabs and Turks since time immemorial. Just ask any Russian, Ukrainian, Serbian etc. girl what it's like when they go on vacation to Greece or Turkey. Therefore, they can detect any wealthy (in comparison) man with purely sexual intentions from a mile away.

You're right about this but it's not because of the reason you think. It's because if the arabs/turks try to do with with their own woman one of the womans relatives will be coming along to cut off part of their body for it....

 

[Blade Runner]

These wife hunters aren't even married yet and they are already imagining how much they are going to be irritated to be when they around their wife. I can only imagine that these emotions are only to get worse when they are actually married.

You have this wrong as we've discussed this before, as the people you are considering here would have issues with any person or woman in general. You're discussing the segment of men that are having difficulty in the first place, as opposed to the well formed and successful that are actually quite normal and social, but have been neutralized by a bad western culture for just wanting traditional, younger women in their lives. The problem is that on the internet, you can't tell who is who, so I understand why this comes up often.

The exception here would obviously be real textbooks players, as in men who deceive women into believing they want something serious just to have sex with them once and leave.

Generally this just happens to the older women in the particular society, the age just happens to be different on the basis of how clown world that society is. For example, the 35-45 year old women on social media in America now complain about this, but the reality is that the feminist movement caused men to just seek unserious women who think they are serious, but by definition (not willing to submit or be serious at age 23) are not. They have their reward, which is attention still, but just not commitment. Who'd a thunk? lol

Thus, I become aware of the fact that I could very well fall in love with her. It's a feeling that's simply not accessible when I talk to a girl in her 30s no matter how long we talk for.

Yes, the combination of youth and characteristics that you are looking for is the only real "charm". I think we all subconsciously, beyond what we've already been speaking into the world, realize that 30s+ is just not serious and a bad deal for men in an institution that is like all other modern ones = corrupt.

 

[SeekingTruth]

Yes, this is a common physiological response that happens when you are young mostly, so perhaps that's a statement on what I've seen and been exposed to for the last 15-20 years (life, distraction, older women, etc). I remember having this feeling in my early 20s. Now it's almost only reserved for younger women I come across in which I would be labeled some fake term if I expressed interest. A normal, young woman who isn't even hot, let's say a 6, but is 18 yo or an age close, is so much more attractive because she has an innocence and lack of experience. That's the entire point of what we get after on this forum, while the anti-men movement tries to paint it as some sort of predatory disposition. History of course shows every man, if that were the case, to be a predator, which creates a conundrum, unless your agenda is for most humans to just die off.

I noticed this very early even among the different female ratings/rankings on apps in the mid 2010s. You could tell that at 25 or 26, and certainly over, the woman was far less attractive. Even if you didn't understand everything then like we do now, you also knew that added age and "life experience" would make that woman even more awful to deal with, rounding out my thesis of avalanche or asymmetry: young women have every characteristic you want, older women almost none.

I'm not sure. There is an immaturity about an 18-19 year old that effects her appeal. Western women this age are usually dopy, into pop music, do a lot of uptalk. I'm sure there is a lot of variance here. But I always found women around 24-26 to be the optimal amount of maturity and beauty. The sweet spot. I met my wife when she was about this age and when I was dating I always gravitated to this range.

 

[Josephus]

You have this wrong as we've discussed this before, as the people you are considering here would have issues with any person or woman in general. You're discussing the segment of men that are having difficulty in the first place, as opposed to the well formed and successful that are actually quite normal and social, but have been neutralized by a bad western culture for just wanting traditional, younger women in their lives. The problem is that on the internet, you can't tell who is who, so I understand why this comes up often.

I posted in that thread that I’m more of the introverted type and most women annoy me. Yet I speak and present in front of large audiences and lead groups from 5 to 20 people which I do on a weekly basis for my job. So even for myself, the amount of sociality is way above the norm. The assumption that we’re weird types for wanting a younger, attractive wife is incorrect.

The reality is, that people like me are simply selective and slow-trusting so relationships with women are an uphill battle, especially in a world with no attention span. Then add the fact that you find so few worth the effort and that’s what happens. It’s like people want you to settle for scraps or eliminate yourself from the dating pool. Nope.

 

[FrancisK]

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[Wutang]

You have this wrong as we've discussed this before, as the people you are considering here would have issues with any person or woman in general. You're discussing the segment of men that are having difficulty in the first place, as opposed to the well formed and successful that are actually quite normal and social, but have been neutralized by a bad western culture for just wanting traditional, younger women in their lives. The problem is that on the internet, you can't tell who is who, so I understand why this comes up often.

I can't tell who is who over the internet so the only thing I can go by is what people write in their posts. I've seen people write posts about how boring and dull and uninteresting it is to be around women with Australia Suck's "Think about every conversation that you have ever had with a woman and just think if I was having this conversation with a man how interesting would it be? 99% of the time the answer is not very interesting. But as men we overlook it when we the female is attractive." being the prime example though there are plenty of other posts in that vein even if they aren't as blunt and plainly stated as his. Based on these sort of posts I think it's pretty reasonable to assume such a man wouldn't enjoy being around a woman regularly.

What about the part of the post I quoted where the original author talked about how a gigantic issue he is having with his marriage is due to him not having a lot of common with his wife and how there just isn't much for them to do together due to the lack of common ground? He contrasts this to his parent's successful marriage where his mother and father shared a lot of similar interests and were able to bond over that. If I recall correctly, his wife is actually Brazilian and I'm guessing comes from a more non-western traditional background since his wife's family also lives with them which is very much not a western cultural thing. Below is a quote from his post once again

My parents are (well, "were" since my mom passed away about a year ago) a shining example of a successful marriage, and a big part of that was that they enjoyed doing shared activities together that they both enjoyed. They had their own individual interests and pursuits, but genuinely enjoyed spending time together. Perhaps more importantly, their personalities gelled exceedingly well. They were on the same wavelength about things like parenting and lifestyle. My brothers and their wives have the same thing going on. My wife and I... don't. On a surface level we seem to hold similar values (for instance, she loves Trump and is enthusiastic about homeschooling - though I sincerely doubt at this point she could actually pull it off - and is skeptical of vaccines, Big Pharma, toxic garbage food.) But below this surface level, there's a huge disparity.

I posted Hermetic Seal's story because I see it as an example of what could likely happen if you pick a wife that you have little in common with even if she is young and charming and beautiful in the beginning of your marriage. If you found such a wife, what would be your argument that you wouldn't end up in his situation?

 

[Based_Christian_Dude]

I don't really see Black American passport bros having success in areas they weren't having success in before anyway. For example, like any guy with western money they've always been able to get Latina women in those countries, but everyone knows the potential risks when pursuing those. I'm not bothered by them pursuing Spanish, German, French, Australian and other western women, cause it doesn't really change much.

As for Eastern European women, they've been pursued by Arabs and Turks since time immemorial. Just ask any Russian, Ukrainian, Serbian etc. girl what it's like when they go on vacation to Greece or Turkey. Therefore, they can detect any wealthy (in comparison) man with purely sexual intentions from a mile away.

I personally still think passport bros pale in comparison to the PUA datasheet era where guys were systematically targeting specific venues at specific times in specific places in a given country or city. Those were truly organized sexual pursuits. In all likelihood trad wives are not being lost to guys looking for one night stands, regardless of race. The exception here would obviously be real textbooks players, as in men who deceive women into believing they want something serious just to have sex with them once and leave. What would be interesting though would be to see the impact that digital nomads have in those traditional communities, given that they integrate to a certain degree but only stay temporarily.

I'd still definitely be interested to know what kind of problems you have in mind Based.

The American Blacks Passport Bros from what I see are actually not as promiscuous as the classic 2000's PUA. Most Black dudes have decent game to pull American broads for one night stands anyways. A lot of them want a proper girlfriend or even the trad wife, which I personally understand and have no gripes about that. The problem is that these men bring the destructive elements of the hip hop culture to these trad foreign women. This includes the clothing, tattoos, makeup, and eventually the language and behavior... From watching some of their date vlog videos in Asia and Eastern Europe, there's already hip hop subcultures with the women emulating that without the "Black Queen Sass" (for now). But, some of the brighter Black Passport Bro influencers are just now realizing that and quietly discouraging it. Some are even telling their fellow Black Men to sod off if they try to ruin these women or their culture.

 

[Wutang]

African Americans heading to Colombia for the passport bro lifestyle been going strong for a years now. I've actually seen some businesses revolving around that particular scene - mostly in the realm of providing consulting to these brothers in areas like immigration, getting visas, finding residency in the country and such. I heard that Colombians have a bit more African mixture on average compared to a lot other Latin people so makes sense why there's interest from both parties.

 

[Blade Runner]

He contrasts this to his parent's successful marriage where his mother and father shared a lot of similar interests and were able to bond over that.

My guess, and I feel pretty confident in this, is that the ability for his mother to be a good complement to her husband FAR outdoes what modern women do in general, thus he can do more and talk with her more about most things. That's what's going on - the mother was basically not annoying and actually treated the father well. By the way, what I've noticed with others and family members even who have solid families, is that the best moms by far are those that treat their husbands equally well. The mothers that over time who also are the louder, more commandeering types treat their kids that way too. I just put this together in words, but have always known it.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

My guess, and I feel pretty confident in this, is that the ability for his mother to be a good complement to her husband FAR outdoes what modern women do in general, thus he can do more and talk with her more about most things. That's what's going on - the mother was basically not annoying and actually treated the father well. By the way, what I've noticed with others and family members even who have solid families, is that the best moms by far are those that treat their husbands equally well. The mothers that over time who also are the louder, more commandeering types treat their kids that way too. I just put this together in words, but have always known it.

This is very true. Even the best women today simply are nowhere near as good at complementing a man and generally being his helper and his strength as women used to be in past generations. Their dispositions simply do not allow for it, it's not possible, not to the same level. It's hard enough to find one who will not actively be a burden or tormentor.

It's relatively easy to find older (50+) married couples which have a beautiful thing going on, but it simply does not happen with newer generations. I've yet to see it even once. It's why my generation doesn't marry.

 

[Josephus]

This is very true. Even the best women today simply are nowhere near as good at complementing a man and generally being his helper and his strength as women used to be in past generations. Their dispositions simply do not allow for it, it's not possible. It's hard enough to find one who will not actively a burden or tormentor.

It's relatively easy to find older (50+) married couples which have a beautiful thing going on, but it simply does not happen with newer generations. I've yet to see it even once. It's why my generation doesn't marry.

I’ve seen older couples walking around my neighborhood. Senior citizens, walking hand and hand and some do this almost every day. They are both smiling like teenagers enjoying the walk.

The disposition of modern women has gone so downhill that they can’t even enjoy the simple things. They go into a depression without a smartphone or attention from random men online. Then there’s the drug use and mental instability that adds another layer of problems.

Even basic conversation with older generations, which I categorize as 50+ is easier. Sometimes standing waiting for confession, the elderly ladies will pleasantly begin a conversation.

Some might argue that maybe even they were acting bitchy when they were young. That may be so for some, but I didn’t get that sense with the ones in my church.

On another funny and sad note, I recently got a text message from a woman who I met on a Christian dating site a year ago. We went on one coffee date, but there were too many red flags. Like her still living with her ex while going through a divorce which I found ridiculous. Of course she hid all this until an hour into the date. She was very fit and attractive, which was unfortunate, and also of European descent. The worst part of it is I had long since deleted her number, so I didn’t know who it was until I reverse searched. I found her name again and social media, and it seems since her divorce she’s had become a complete online ewhore. The pictures have her boobs popping out and others that are inappropriate where she looks no different than an online instawhore. Of course she claimed to be a conservative Catholic a year ago.

 

[Australia Sucks]

African Americans heading to Colombia for the passport bro lifestyle been going strong for a years now. I've actually seen some businesses revolving around that particular scene - mostly in the realm of providing consulting to these brothers in areas like immigration, getting visas, finding residency in the country and such. I heard that Colombians have a bit more African mixture on average compared to a lot other Latin people so makes sense why there's interest from both parties.

Colombians tend to be somewhat open minded towards foreigners depending on what city you are in, but for the most part working class Colombian girls are only interested in foreigners because of their money (despite pretending otherwise) and the upper middle class and upper class girls generally won't date a random gringo unless he already has an established social circle their and gets introduced to them through the proper channels.