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Me, I thought that Primal Scream Therapy went out with the 70's.Reminds me of the opening scene from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
There are extremely good reasons why men should delay marriage. Firstly in this day and age its hard for a non-chad male in the west to marry a worthwhile woman unless he is a millionaire (and even then its not a walk in the park to find a marriage-worthy woman). Secondly the average man is doing it much tougher financially then men were 50+ years ago thanks to declining living standards, hence men now need much longer to get to a situation where they are financially equipped to raise a family. No point marrying a woman if you are broke.Believe it or not, even feminists get something right once in a blue moon. I see no good reason why men should intentionally delay marriage, best to get married young if you can.
I said it's not good to delay marriage intentionally, if you can't find a woman to marry that's a different matter.There are extremely good reasons why men should delay marriage. Firstly in this day and age its hard for a non-chad male in the west to marry a worthwhile woman unless he is a millionaire (and even then its not a walk in the park to find a marriage-worthy woman). Secondly the average man is doing it much tougher financially then men were 50+ years ago thanks to declining living standards, hence men now need much longer to get to a situation where they are financially equipped to raise a family. No point marrying a woman if you are broke.
Again, as you said, this is just something that happens as a result of things with women changing. What's more, the men who are 50 are not with young women in any of these studies, so there is absolutely no control and thus no evidence for the "older man" claim. It doesn't' even fit what we see in nature otherwise, which is the Jaggers, De Niros and so many more having kids at very old ages.Believe it or not, even feminists get something right once in a blue moon. I see no good reason why men should intentionally delay marriage, best to get married young if you can.
Yes, but these are the technically true statements that also are fairly irrelevant. You have to deal with the current situation. Your posts on this topic are all technically true but they don't do much for a guy who is going through these years of peak female madness, and/or gynocentrism. If one could find a girl who he was attracted to and be off the market so you don't bang other women, or try (poorly or not) for 10-20 years, most guys would. We've had a confluence of factors that just largely made it so that not only were women not very interested in families young when men might commit to them, they also largely lost a lot of attractiveness due to their more manly behavior, and of course, obesity.You don't need to be rich to raise children, in ancient times people had huge families on much less than we make today. I have a STEM degree and made a good salary right out of college at 23, it's possible with hard work and determination.
I'd really like to see the full study, but the data came from the '60s when there may be more of these large age gaps and even today there are a substantial number. And as I said before, the study found the effect of the man's age is independent of the age of the mother, which is a known confounding factor they controlled for. If you want a technical example how this might be done, see this:What's more, the men who are 50 are not with young women in any of these studies, so there is absolutely no control and thus no evidence for the "older man" claim. It doesn't' even fit what we see in nature otherwise, which is the Jaggers, De Niros and so many more having kids at very old ages.
It certainly isn't easy, but I have seen Christian men find good wives in their early to mid-20s. If I knew then what I know now, that's what I would have pursued. Most of us here lost a lot of time and potential because we didn't have the right goal in sight earlier.If one could find a girl who he was attracted to and be off the market so you don't bang other women, or try (poorly or not) for 10-20 years, most guys would.
For a minute there I thought The Wall thread was back.
Fornication is better than marrying the wrong woman because you are in a hurry to marry. Also fornication is better than raising a family while being broke. Just because you had a STEM degree and got a high paying job early or some people work for Google out of university it doesn't mean the average man is earning well at age 23. What about the other 80% of men? Not to mention even with a good job it would still take you at least a few years of working to save a decent deposit on a house.I said it's not good to delay marriage intentionally, if you can't find a woman to marry that's a different matter.
You don't need to be rich to raise children, in ancient times people had huge families on much less than we make today. I have a STEM degree and made a good salary right out of college at 23, it's possible with hard work and determination.
The main purpose of marriage from a Christian perspective isn't even children. That's secondary, the primary goal is to avoid fornication. How many men are able to stay single and keep themselves pure into their 30s or 40s? I doubt many of us have that level of patience.
Yes, but not all are meaningful if not view properly. You get part of it, as 1 to 2% is 100% increase, but that's meaningless of course for most people, since 98 still are unaffected. But then you have to even ask if your outcome matters - in this case "miscarriage" - and in general that is questionable at best. A more meaningful one would be, "do you carry a genetic defect to term, or increase retardation, etc" since that actually affects offspring. Miscarriage in that light is of course a natural form of not producing a genetic defect. Again, as I've said ad infinitum, women have only so many eggs and men produce millions of sperm with a single thrust, so the rate limiting step or threshold for quality will be the (young) woman every time.Statistics deals with significant differences, but these may not be obvious in everyday life. Even if the miscarriage risk goes up for older fathers, it goes up from a low baseline level so you wouldn't really notice without the data. Even if the miscarriage risk triples, would you really notice if it goes from 1% to 3% of pregnancies for example? The De Niros and Jaggers don't contradict anything in that regard.
Of course that's not true, but I see you are just trying to make the point that is essentially unsaid but we all know = how many godly women are there to stick by a man who has less money and needs to ascend and build with her? There's a reason why people laugh when others say women wait at the finish line (it's true).Also fornication is better than raising a family while being broke.
Christian forum. Complete garbage. Money shouldn't come before family. That's clown world material.Fornication is better than marrying the wrong woman because you are in a hurry to marry. Also fornication is better than raising a family while being broke. Just because you had a STEM degree and got a high paying job early or some people work for Google out of university it doesn't mean the average man is earning well at age 23. What about the other 80% of men? Not to mention even with a good job it would still take you at least a few years of working to save a decent deposit on a house.
The state of affairs in the modern west is to take one for the team and still risk things with a woman who is old or 2 points lower than you, or just wait for the crisis, wars, and population decline to take place - which will likely lock you out of a family.Christian forum. Complete garbage. Money shouldn't come before family. That's clown world material.
That's a lot of victim studies degrees!!
Yes, I love it when they suggest that women are "outperforming" men. Uh, they're out-credentialing men. Big difference.