The China Thread

[magoo]

I think your first word sums up the situation.

Unless White men in the west decide to take their countries back, the Chinese will be the global dominant power. They may be backwards or not an ideal civilization, but they will still rule the globe. No one will be there to stop them, some places will be able to work with them and defend their home turf, like Russia.

The chinese don´t have to do anything. If the west continues this trajectory. It´s obvious to anyone with half a brain it´s going down. It´s a boxing match where one will win without throwing a punch. Chinese just have to keep it together. China will win not because they are better. But because we got worse.

It might be something similar to that turtle and rabbit race.

Russia will be eaten and spit out by the yellows.

Shit I just lost the bids for jewelry for wife christmas gift. Writting this.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Where China and our own countries differ is that their government isn't run by psychotic oligarchs who willfully go out of their way to poison our air and soil with chemtrails, or harm your body and permanently damage your DNA with mRNA vaccines.

That ship has sailed decades ago, China has already climbed to the peak of the value-added production chain and the tech and education ladder.

Their government is not plunging them into poverty, it has instead lifted the most people out of poverty in the entire history of civilization - fact. Their current 10 year plan is double their citizens' purchasing power by 2035. In my country, that purchasing power has been halved in the last 7 years alone.

It's one plan from the same people to use China as a slave labor market in order to weaken the Christian West. China doesn't do much without stealing or buying Western technology. They hire Western consultants from every field, which is a workable strategy, but doesn't change the fact that they can not innovate, a difference I want to accentuate and one that is inherent to the biggest differences in our respective cultures: atheism vs. Christianity.

My point is to make this distinction as a counter-argument to China whitewashing that enables a lot of people educated in the West to believe that communism/socialism is the answer to our problems that are often blamed on capitalism.

The whitewashing of China is even more deceptive when you've seen how pessimistic and soulless they are.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Your take about Chinese Chem grads not knowing what the periodic table stands for is hilariously silly, this is the funniest of all your Chinese anecdotes. Did they manage to corner the rare earth processing market going by Feng Shui principles or classical Chinese poetry??

Because their own schools are pure junk and are meant to destroy the brains of their students by forcing them to become sleep-deprived zombies and memorize reams of rubbish, there's a basic formula for the Chinese to learn an industry. Western multi-national corporations sell or give some of their technology away to the Chinese, then allow the rest to be stolen, and the Chinese send some of their higher IQ people to Western universities for training while importing Western consultants. That's it.

No one was more disappointed than me that there is no Feng Shui or classical Chinese poetry being taught in schools there. I'm really into traditional Chinese culture, but I almost never saw it on the mainland. In Hong Kong there's some and in Taiwan it's still around.

 

[magoo]

When I first met wealthy chinese. I never expected China to be such a shithole. In some way it would have been better not going there. Because you would keep an illusion. I didn´t went to Shanghai. Which kinda sucked cause I had family there and it´s supposedly one of the nicest cities. In some ways chinese should keep theyre traditions and just modernize them. Create something unique. And not a cheap copy of the west.

Chinese traditional architecture is nice. They have beautiful traditional buildings. Commies hate them. Chinese are sell outs to jews also. And most of them are godless. They make fun of their monks. Consider them to be weak and retarded. The great wall is nice to visit. My wife was so scared on the lift to the wall I made a video of her face. Ahahahahahahahahahaha. Then you go down in a toboggan. Which was really nice. Wall is like any castle type wall. But still impressive. The trees are also really different.

Chinese traditional stuff is nice. The modern shit is uglier than german brutalism.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

The chinese don´t have to do anything. If the west continues this trajectory. It´s obvious to anyone with half a brain it´s going down. It´s a boxing match where one will win without throwing a punch. Chinese just have to keep it together. China will win not because they are better. But because we got worse.

It might be something similar to that turtle and rabbit race.

Russia will be eaten and spit out by the yellows.

Shit I just lost the bids for jewelry for wife christmas gift. Writting this.

Completely agree.

 

[magoo]

Tobogann was nice. I kept crashing against my wife on purpose. People keep putting videos of tall buildings and 20 lanes highway of China. As it´s some form of progress. It just shows how prisioners chinese are also. Traditional chinese houses are nice. Pagoda. They should keep their culture mixed with modern buildings. Not that ugly german shit. modern Bahaus. During pandemic I saw some chinese with blonde hair. And they weren´t so ugly. They seemed like ugly russians.







China has to adopt Christ. And maybe they will be able to have a half decent society. Without Christ. They will never be more than savages. Better dressed savages. But still a shit worthless society and culture.

Stupid communists destroying beauty everywhere that virus spreads.



If I had power in China. I would demand this architectural line to be followed. Minimum adherence to this had to be followed.



I have to bid on weekdays. Too many idiots today pushing prices higher. Next wednesday probably.

 

[Cooper]

The chinese don´t have to do anything. If the west continues this trajectory. It´s obvious to anyone with half a brain it´s going down. It´s a boxing match where one will win without throwing a punch. Chinese just have to keep it together. China will win not because they are better. But because we got worse.

It might be something similar to that turtle and rabbit race.

Russia will be eaten and spit out by the yellows.

Shit I just lost the bids for jewelry for wife christmas gift. Writting this.

Where you bidding on the stolen Louvre necklaces in the dark web?

When I first met wealthy chinese. I never expected China to be such a shithole. In some way it would have been better not going there. Because you would keep an illusion. I didn´t went to Shanghai. Which kinda sucked cause I had family there and it´s supposedly one of the nicest cities. In some ways chinese should keep theyre traditions and just modernize them. Create something unique. And not a cheap copy of the west.

Chinese traditional architecture is nice. They have beautiful traditional buildings. Commies hate them. Chinese are sell outs to jews also. And most of them are godless. They make fun of their monks. Consider them to be weak and retarded. The great wall is nice to visit. My wife was so scared on the lift to the wall I made a video of her face. Ahahahahahahahahahaha. Then you go down in a toboggan. Which was really nice. Wall is like any castle type wall. But still impressive. The trees are also really different.

Chinese traditional stuff is nice. The modern shit is uglier than german brutalism.

I agree, a lot of the modern stuff is modernity for modernity's sake. The average Chinese is basically a nouveau riche. People forget that the Chinese were poorer than the average African country not that long ago, people ate meat a couple of times every month according to their rations, had a radio and a few light bulbs as their only appliances and lived in cramped, shared apartments etc.

There is a Chinese upper class and urban bourgeoisie in the main cities that has pretty good taste and appreciation for older art, you also see them in the main western cities, SF, Vancouver, Toronto, NYC, London etc. Unlike in Russia, most of the Chinese upper class survived the Cultural Revolution. If you kept your head low and toed the party line, you were left alone, unlike in Bolshevik Russia, where if you even looked like an upper class man or spoke Russian too well, you were culled.

There are around 150-200 old aristocratic Chinese families that have a lot of cultural, economic and political pull in China today. They have managed to regain power because they have tight-knit family structures that have been in place for centuries, and are overrepresented in the upper echelons of the army, the diplomatic corps but also in academia, business and banking. These people are very nationalistic and more "aggressive" in their policy outlook than your average CCP bureaucrat or middle class person.

 

[magoo]

Where you bidding on the stolen Louvre necklaces in the dark web?

The joke is the guards of Louvre were the same than the ones in Epstein cell.

I´m bidding a ring or earrings for christmas. Nothing too expensive. Just for her to show her friends. Christmas is for children.

I agree, a lot of the modern stuff is modernity for modernity's sake. The average Chinese is basically a nouveau riche. People forget that the Chinese were poorer than the average African country not that long ago, people ate meat a couple of times every month according to their rations, had a radio and a few light bulbs as their only appliances and lived in cramped, shared apartments etc.

This is not the reason. There are many poor countries where there is a culture or soul. Of course people are more rough. But China has none. Either because of communism. Or it´s just a giant shithole.

There is a Chinese upper class and urban bourgeoisie in the main cities that has pretty good taste and appreciation for older art, you also see them in the main western cities, SF, Vancouver, Toronto, NYC, London etc.

I never met a chinese who enjoyed his culture. Who ever praised China or CCP. The most sophisticated are cheap versions of west. And some of them french wannabes. They don´t enjoy anything except money.

Unlike in Russia, most of the Chinese upper class survived the Cultural Revolution. If you kept your head low and toed the party line, you were left alone, unlike in Bolshevik Russia, where if you even looked like an upper class man or spoke Russian too well, you were culled.

Russians have a soul and culture. They are very emotional. Contrary to popular belief. I met russians who I could relate. They are most of them crazy. But good hearted. Really good hearted. Chinese are all scum.

There are around 150-200 old aristocratic Chinese families that have a lot of cultural, economic and political pull in China today. They have managed to regain power because they have tight-knit family structures that have been in place for centuries, and are overrepresented in the upper echelons of the army, the diplomatic corps but also in academia, business and banking. These people are very nationalistic and more "aggressive" in their policy outlook than your average CCP bureaucrat or middle class person.

The stories I´ve heard about the upper class are equal or more degenerate than west. They have some kind of freemasonry also.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

I never met a chinese who enjoyed his culture. Who ever praised China or CCP. The most sophisticated are cheap versions of west. And some of them french wannabes. They don´t enjoy anything except money.

I never met a Chinese who could even tolerate being inside a museum for more than 15 minutes, which I was slow to figure out because I took a few Chinese friends & students to my favorite museum in Guangzhou, The Tomb of the Nan Yue King, before I finally realized it was literal torture for them.

I asked many of my students over the years why and the only answer I could get was the the education system made them hate history (and politics), so they reflexively reviled museums. That's how the "education" system worked there, as a coercive slave master demanding children to endlessly memorize heaps of trash trivia about Mao thought and other nonsense that is so meaningless that I don't even blame them for cheating on their tests.



You hear a LOT of stories about Chinese middle and high school students committing suicide, often by jumping from windows at school, and it seemed the pressure of having to spend so many hours in rote memorization was a major factor, although the full reasons are more complex than just "too much homework."

Suicide among Chinese students is a significant public health concern, with multiple factors contributing to the risk. A large-scale survey of university students in China found that 18% reported high suicide ideation, 14.5% showed suicide risk, 18.8% had suicide plans, and 1% had attempted suicide, highlighting a substantial prevalence of suicidal behaviors. Notably, depressive and anxiety symptoms were not significant predictors of suicide attempts or risk in this group, suggesting that other factors such as a weak sense of life’s value—reported by 61.4% of students who considered suicide as a way to end problems—are critical.

A 10-year-old Chinese boy named Jun Jun died after jumping from a 30th-floor window in Chengdu, reportedly on a teacher's orders after failing to write a self-criticism letter for talking in class. The incident, which occurred in October 2013, led to widespread outrage, with the boy’s parents demanding the teacher be sacked and launching a campaign against the intense academic pressure in Chinese schools. Another incident involved a high school student, Xiao Zhen, who reportedly leapt from a classroom window during a lesson, captured on surveillance footage that circulated online in March 2014; the video showed the student sitting motionless before suddenly running to the window, and the event was believed to be linked to extreme stress from preparing for college entrance exams. In a separate case, a university student named Chang Yanan, aged 20, jumped from her 13th-floor dorm room window in June 2013 after spending over 30,000 yuan—most of her parents’ tuition—on online shopping, leaving a suicide note stating she was pursuing a different lifestyle and that the problems were self-inflicted. In 2011, lecturer Chen Gang at Hefei University of Technology jumped from a 12th-floor window after losing a competitive selection for a leadership role in the Communist Youth League, citing an unfair process and corruption in the university administration; he left a suicide note accusing senior leaders of collusion and calling for a monument to be erected in his name. More recently, in May 2021, a student in Chengdu named Weilin died after jumping from a school rooftop, with official media reporting suicidal messages found in his personal devices and a handwritten note expressing emotional distress, sparking public outcry and rare state media coverage.

 

[Cooper]

I never met a Chinese who could even tolerate being inside a museum for more than 15 minutes, which I was slow to figure out because I took a few Chinese friends & students to my favorite museum in Guangzhou, The Tomb of the Nan Yue King, before I finally realized it was literal torture for them.

I asked many of my students over the years why and the only answer I could get was the the education system made them hate history (and politics), so they reflexively reviled museums. That's how the "education" system worked there, as a coercive slave master demanding children to endlessly memorize heaps of trash trivia about Mao thought and other nonsense that is so meaningless that I don't even blame them for cheating on their tests.

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You hear a LOT of stories about Chinese middle and high school students committing suicide, often by jumping from windows at school, and it seemed the pressure of having to spend so many hours in rote memorization was a major factor, although the full reasons are more complex than just "too much homework."

How does China's suicide rate compare with those from Japan and South Korea.

You know it's lower, right?

 

[Eagle3]

How does China's suicide rate compare with those from Japan and South Korea.

You know it's lower, right?

The CCPee suicides them.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

How does China's suicide rate compare with those from Japan and South Korea.

You know it's lower, right?

I do not know it's lower because CCP statistics are not reliable.

I was talking about suicide of children who haven't finished high school in relation to the excessive pressure that's put on them because of the education system, which is something that I saw first hand.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

What else is new, in all their diligence the galaxy brains are trying to undermine the academically rocksolid claim that cannibalism was widespread in China during the man made famines (1950s-1980) by trying to dispute those facts through stating that cannibalism has always been prevalent throughout Chinese history, so don't blame Daddy Mao plz!

This is platinum tier Changsplaining, the CCP simps have a habit of making themselves look even worse in their ideologically barreled rebuttals. Yes, Chinese culture is weird and the Chinese have been eating each other since the ethnogenesis of the Chinese people, and likely before that too. Likewise they'll probably start eating each other somewhere in the future again, it's somewhat of an intermittent cultural habit.

Cannibalism during the famines and especially Cultural Revolution was more than just a survival strategy though, and it's been documented in hundreds of cases how Party officials and young Red Guard cadres would eat the flesh, organs and reproductive organs of killed 'contra-revolutionaries' as an act of power. In Guangxi, which is the best documented province, the bodies of those people would then be put on meathooks at local markets, and the flesh sold as pork. This was not due to starvation but due to ritual cannibalistic practices fueled by revolutionary fervor.



Below are some anecdotal impressions from cannibalist communist China. Yikes!

This scene from Three Body Problem might've been based off the story of Wu Fushang.

In 1968, "a geography instructor named Wu Shufang (吴树芳) was beaten to death by students at Wuxuan Middle School. Her body was carried to the flat stones of the Qian River where another teacher was forced at gunpoint to rip out the heart and liver. Back at the school the pupils barbecued and consumed the organs."

Song Yongi, Chinese Historian working at Calstate LA, documents:

"Independent researchers in Guangxi counted a total of 421 people who were eaten. There were reports of cannibalism across 27 counties in Guangxi; that's two-thirds of all the counties in Guangxi. There was one man who was said to be in the so-called fifth category, who was beaten to death where he stood. He had two kids, one of 11 and one of 14. The local officials and armed militia said that it was important to eradicate such people, and so they not only killed those two children: they ate them too. This took place in Pubei county, Guangxi, where 35 people were killed and eaten in total. Most of them were rich landowners and their families. There was one landowner called Liu Zhengjian whose entire family was wiped out. He had a 17-year-old daughter, Liu Xiulan, who was gang-raped by nine people [for 19 times] who then ripped open her belly, and ate her liver and breasts. There were so many incidents like this."

Time:

'On July 10, 1968, a criticism rally was held in front of the Shangjiang Town hall, Sanli district. During the ensuing chaos, Liao Tianlong, Liao Jinfu, Zhong Zhenquan and Zhong Shaoting were beaten to death.

"Their bodies were stripped of flesh, which was taken back to the front of the brigade office to be boiled in two big pots. Twenty or thirty people participated in the cannibalism. Right out in the open, they boiled human flesh in front of the local government offices.”

Frank Dikotter, professor and chair of humanities at the University of Hong Kong states

"it is not enough to eliminate your class enemy. You have to eat his heart, so there are very well-documented cases of ritual cannibalism. There was a hierarchy in the consumption of class enemies. Leaders feasted on the heart and liver, mixed with pork, while ordinary villagers were allowed only to peck at the victims' arms and thighs."

1993, Newsweek:

"the accounts were harrowing. Principals killed in schoolyards by students, then cooked and eaten. Government-run cafeterias displaying human bodies hanging from meat hooks and dishing them out to employees ... Documents smuggled out of China last week described atrocities of the Cultural Revolution in grotesque detail."

 

[Cooper]

What else is new, in all their diligence the galaxy brains are trying to undermine the academically rocksolid claim that cannibalism was widespread in China during the man made famines (1950s-1980) by trying to dispute those facts through stating that cannibalism has always been prevalent throughout Chinese history, so don't blame Daddy Mao plz!

This is platinum tier Changsplaining, the CCP simps have a habit of making themselves look even worse in their ideologically barreled rebuttals. Yes, Chinese culture is weird and the Chinese have been eating each other since the ethnogenesis of the Chinese people, and likely before that too. Likewise they'll probably start eating each other somewhere in the future again, it's somewhat of an intermittent cultural habit.

Cannibalism during the famines and especially Cultural Revolution was more than just a survival strategy though, and it's been documented in hundreds of cases how Party officials and young Red Guard cadres would eat the flesh, organs and reproductive organs of killed 'contra-revolutionaries' as an act of power. In Guangxi, which is the best documented province, the bodies of those people would then be put on meathooks at local markets, and the flesh sold as pork. This was not due to starvation but due to ritual cannibalistic practices fueled by revolutionary fervor.



Below are some anecdotal impressions from cannibalist communist China. Yikes!

This scene from Three Body Problem might've been based off the story of Wu Fushang.

In 1968, "a geography instructor named Wu Shufang (吴树芳) was beaten to death by students at Wuxuan Middle School. Her body was carried to the flat stones of the Qian River where another teacher was forced at gunpoint to rip out the heart and liver. Back at the school the pupils barbecued and consumed the organs."

Song Yongi, Chinese Historian working at Calstate LA, documents:

"Independent researchers in Guangxi counted a total of 421 people who were eaten. There were reports of cannibalism across 27 counties in Guangxi; that's two-thirds of all the counties in Guangxi. There was one man who was said to be in the so-called fifth category, who was beaten to death where he stood. He had two kids, one of 11 and one of 14. The local officials and armed militia said that it was important to eradicate such people, and so they not only killed those two children: they ate them too. This took place in Pubei county, Guangxi, where 35 people were killed and eaten in total. Most of them were rich landowners and their families. There was one landowner called Liu Zhengjian whose entire family was wiped out. He had a 17-year-old daughter, Liu Xiulan, who was gang-raped by nine people [for 19 times] who then ripped open her belly, and ate her liver and breasts. There were so many incidents like this."

Time:

'On July 10, 1968, a criticism rally was held in front of the Shangjiang Town hall, Sanli district. During the ensuing chaos, Liao Tianlong, Liao Jinfu, Zhong Zhenquan and Zhong Shaoting were beaten to death.

"Their bodies were stripped of flesh, which was taken back to the front of the brigade office to be boiled in two big pots. Twenty or thirty people participated in the cannibalism. Right out in the open, they boiled human flesh in front of the local government offices.”

Frank Dikotter, professor and chair of humanities at the University of Hong Kong states

"it is not enough to eliminate your class enemy. You have to eat his heart, so there are very well-documented cases of ritual cannibalism. There was a hierarchy in the consumption of class enemies. Leaders feasted on the heart and liver, mixed with pork, while ordinary villagers were allowed only to peck at the victims' arms and thighs."

1993, Newsweek:

"the accounts were harrowing. Principals killed in schoolyards by students, then cooked and eaten. Government-run cafeterias displaying human bodies hanging from meat hooks and dishing them out to employees ... Documents smuggled out of China last week described atrocities of the Cultural Revolution in grotesque detail."

You know nothing of Chinese history, you just plagiarized, cut and pasted large text from an anti-China X account and post :



Pretty obvious straight plagiarism, complete with the author's original typos, like "Song Yongi, Chinese Historian working at Calstate LA". His actual name is Song Yongyi, chere is no "Yongi" in Chinese, and noone puts "Calstate" in one word, it's Cal State.

Next time you plagiarize, at least make an effort to not be so obvious, lest you become known as the Nasa Test Pilot of anti-Chinese/anti-Russian/pro-Israeli commentary on this board...

This being said, here is my criticism of the post by Andrew Côté (who btw is a neoliberal luciferian satanist from San Francisco) that LaNegra ripped off:

Dikötter is a virulent anti-China activist-academic, along the same lines as Adrian Zenz or Sarah Paine. It's kind of surprising that he is still based in Hong Kong, though he really is part of the Hoover Institute US neocon academic ecosphere. As is Song Yongyi, the Cal State Fullerton prof also quoted above.

I can also quote articles from Time or Newsweek about the Bucha massacre, incredibly deceptive outright anti-Russian lies, turning the massacre of Bucha civilians who collaborated with the Russian troops that conquered the city by Ukrainian militia (the "Safari" unit) into fictitious Russian war crimes:

The scenes of depravity they left behind have changed the course of the war in Ukraine. The Russian army’s crimes, described in both Kyiv and Washington as a campaign resembling genocide, have hardened the will of Western governments to arm Ukraine and narrowed the space for a negotiated peace. Leaders from across Europe have come through Bucha to see the devastation for themselves. They emerged voicing new pledges of support for Zelensky, promising more than a billion dollars in military aid from the European Union alone.

The Crime Scene Left Behind at a Summer Camp in Bucha

The scenes of depravity in this commuter town outside Kyiv have changed the course of the war in Ukraine

time.com

There is no doubt that the Cultural Revolution was a period of great repression and bolshevik folly along the lines of the Khmer Rouge horrors in Cambodia, the Bolshevik culls of the 1920 or the Grande Terreur during the French Revolution. Dikötter's estimate of 2 million killed is probably an accurate high estimate, but cannibalism was a very marginal phenomenon among those millions.

As well, making sweeping generalizations on Chinese culture based on that decade of bolshevik folly would be as misguided as making those generalizations about German culture based on the Weimar period, or on French culture based on the Great Terror.

Dikötter also has other kooky takes about China, he is so anti-China that he claims that the period of prohibition on opium that came after opium was strictly banned under Mao was worse than when opium was evrywhere in China. In fact the CPC culled over a million drug dealers, triad members and people who profited from the opium trade. They took the same wide net approach as Bukele did in El Salvador, except they killed the people they've rounded up instead of putting them in labor camps.

In Patient Zero (2003) and Narcotic Culture (2004), Dikötter posits that the impact of the prohibition of opium on the Chinese people led to greater harm than the effects of the drug itself. These works have been poorly received by academics, with historian Kathleen L. Lodwick saying that "Narcotic Culture appears to be one of the revisionist histories of which there have been several lately that have aimed at convincing us that imperialism wasn't all that bad, or at least that we should not blame the imperialists, in this case the opium traders who made vast fortunes from the trade, for the social problems they created. Closer attention to accuracy in the bibliography would have caught some errors, which appear more than once and so are not simply typos."

Alan Baumler wrote in his review of Narcotic Culture, "the authors' unwillingness to engage with the secondary literature, poor conceptualization, and questionable use of evidence make the study less useful than it could be." Timothy Brook wrote that the authors of Narcotic Culture "float some extraordinary propositions that go not only beyond received wisdom, but beyond actual evidence and even common sense."

Dikötter is also from the same retarded school of professional China doomers as Gordon Chang, claiming that the economy of China is all smoke and mirrors and is going to collapse anytime now.

 

[Cooper]

Torba agrees with IIMT:

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

There is no doubt that the Cultural Revolution was a period of great repression and bolshevik folly along the lines of the Khmer Rouge horrors in Cambodia, the Bolshevik culls of the 1920 or the Grande Terreur during the French Revolution. Dikötter's estimate of 2 million killed is probably an accurate high estimate, but cannibalism was a very marginal phenomenon among those millions.

As well, making sweeping generalizations on Chinese culture based on that decade of bolshevik folly would be as misguided as making those generalizations about German culture based on the Weimar period, or on French culture based on the Great Terror.

The important difference is that the Chinese government now is the same as before, when it did everything it could to literally destroy Chinese culture, which has been replaced with the morally unrestricted pursuit of wealth at any cost.

It is acknowledged now that during Mao's years (1930-1976) the CCP was responsible for tens of millions of unnatural deaths, including millions of outright murders and millions of unnecessary starvations. When did this blood-soaked revolution end? I think it transformed.

The 1-child policy the CCP accepted in the late 1970's in exchange for becoming the world's workshop (of slave labor) resulted in many millions of abortions and murders of infants.

Political repression of harmless folk religions, like Falun Gong, resulted in forced organ harvesting vivisections of perhaps millions of prisoners of conscience since the late 1990's.

I see this massive bloodshed as continuity for the CCP from its original communist inception under the tutelage of the Bolsheviks that is totally out of synch with the post-WW2 world order of human rights that we're all supposed to believe in.

Why do Western govts, and the multinational corporations that have captured them, even tolerate, much less sponsor, a government so incongruous to all of their avowed moral priorities as the Chinese Communist Party? And how can such a government be viewed as convenient for, much less superior to, the Christian nations whose hard-earned technology and treasure has propped it up?

The Chinese people would benefit from a nationalist leader who could free them from the past 90 years, but I think too much damage has been done, much less to do it without God.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

You know nothing of Chinese history, you just plagiarized, cut and pasted large text from an anti-China X account and post :



Pretty obvious straight plagiarism, complete with the author's original typos, like "Song Yongi, Chinese Historian working at Calstate LA". His actual name is Song Yongyi, chere is no "Yongi" in Chinese, and noone puts "Calstate" in one word, it's Cal State.

Next time you plagiarize, at least make an effort to not be so obvious, lest you become known as the Nasa Test Pilot of anti-Chinese/anti-Russian/pro-Israeli commentary on this board...

This being said, here is my criticism of the post by Andrew Côté (who btw is a neoliberal luciferian satanist from San Francisco) that LaNegra ripped off:

Dikötter is a virulent anti-China activist-academic, along the same lines as Adrian Zenz or Sarah Paine. It's kind of surprising that he is still based in Hong Kong, though he really is part of the Hoover Institute US neocon academic ecosphere. As is Song Yongyi, the Cal State Fullerton prof also quoted above.

I can also quote articles from Time or Newsweek about the Bucha massacre, incredibly deceptive outright anti-Russian lies, turning the massacre of Bucha civilians who collaborated with the Russian troops that conquered the city by Ukrainian militia (the "Safari" unit) into fictitious Russian war crimes:

The scenes of depravity they left behind have changed the course of the war in Ukraine. The Russian army’s crimes, described in both Kyiv and Washington as a campaign resembling genocide, have hardened the will of Western governments to arm Ukraine and narrowed the space for a negotiated peace. Leaders from across Europe have come through Bucha to see the devastation for themselves. They emerged voicing new pledges of support for Zelensky, promising more than a billion dollars in military aid from the European Union alone.

The Crime Scene Left Behind at a Summer Camp in Bucha

The scenes of depravity in this commuter town outside Kyiv have changed the course of the war in Ukraine

time.com

There is no doubt that the Cultural Revolution was a period of great repression and bolshevik folly along the lines of the Khmer Rouge horrors in Cambodia, the Bolshevik culls of the 1920 or the Grande Terreur during the French Revolution. Dikötter's estimate of 2 million killed is probably an accurate high estimate, but cannibalism was a very marginal phenomenon among those millions.

As well, making sweeping generalizations on Chinese culture based on that decade of bolshevik folly would be as misguided as making those generalizations about German culture based on the Weimar period, or on French culture based on the Great Terror.

Dikötter also has other kooky takes about China, he is so anti-China that he claims that the period of prohibition on opium that came after opium was strictly banned under Mao was worse than when opium was evrywhere in China. In fact the CPC culled over a million drug dealers, triad members and people who profited from the opium trade. They took the same wide net approach as Bukele did in El Salvador, except they killed the people they've rounded up instead of putting them in labor camps.




Dikötter is also from the same retarded school of professional China doomers as Gordon Chang, claiming that the economy of China is all smoke and mirrors and is going to collapse anytime now.

Coop's still rubbing the stain and hunting phantoms, the man is now waffling about 'plagiarism' because Twitter posts got forwarded, author and publication included. Totally cooked. Wall of cope& deflection above is shameless and even for Coop's standards a new low. Man will legit run cover for even the most barbaric crimes committed by the Chinese communists, including providing counternarratives for the dwindling number of CCP simps on whatever subject necessary, and as ridiculous as they may sound. It's disgraceful yet after the Covid1984 revisionism and whitewashing of the persecution of Chinese Christians it's not really a surprise. The man's subversive to the core and at this stage an open communist.

Reality is simple. Cannibalism was widespread during the man-made famines of the 1950s-1980 and has been recorded during pretty much all of written Chinese history. No amount of damage control, smearing of academics and tantrums is going to change those facts, period. The CCP till this day is trying to cover up the barbary unleashed in those decades, in Chinese schools kids are taught Mao was a near deity and his many projects aimed for and achieved their intended goals. In the Chang commie hierarchy Madman Mao is still above Xi. All the files and archives on the matter are locked for what it's worth, only due to the courage of whistle blowers do snippets come out.

But the head of the Anhui police department ... wrote a report [during the 2000s] in which he said that [there had been] 1,289 cases of cannibalism reported in the province in 1960. That's 1,289 cases. These were considered "special cases." That's the name they gave to cases of cannibalism.

Recently, I have received another article. It's an official document that was sent for forwarding to an office in Gansu province. It's a report written by an investigative team that was sent to the province.... It documents nearly 50 cases. Here it shows you the time, and the rural work unit the people belonged to, and the names of those involved, and who it was that they ate, and how they ate them.

Here's one: "Ma Waiyou, of Maiji commune, Xinmin village. Status: common peasant. He ate Chen Zaxi. Relationship: spouse. He ate his own wife. He dug up her body and cooked it."

Here's another: "Yang Wenyi and Yuan Shuying of Houxiyan village together with ... eight people in total, dug up the body of a child, cooked and ate it."

Here's another, at the Xihe commune. A person called Liu Chuan. "They killed him and ate him...."

This is a secret report carried out by the Chinese Communist Party itself.... Mao Zedong knew about this.... Many more reports will come out like this, when those files are finally opened. This was an era of cannibalism.

Mandatory homework assignment for the little man!

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Torba agrees with IIMT:

It is hard to believe that people really still think the USA of 2025, one full of third world immigrants/people, so much so we can't even rebuild bridges that were originally built by White men 100 years ago, could ever compete with China going forward. It is simply not living in reality thinking.

 

[Cooper]

It is hard to believe that people really still think the USA of 2025, one full of third world immigrants/people, so much so we can't even rebuild bridges that were originally built by White men 100 years ago, could ever compete with China going forward. It is simply not living in reality thinking.

That was certainly true with cases like Boeing, whose management are ruining what was a well-run American company built by American engineers by cutting corners with outsourcing and H1Bs from India.

 

[Cooper]

Coop's still rubbing the stain and hunting phantoms, the man is now waffling about 'plagiarism' because Twitter posts got forwarded, author and publication included. Totally cooked. Wall of cope& deflection above is shameless and even for Coop's standards a new low. Man will legit run cover for even the most barbaric crimes committed by the Chinese communists, including providing counternarratives for the dwindling number of CCP simps on whatever subject necessary, and as ridiculous as they may sound. It's disgraceful yet after the Covid1984 revisionism and whitewashing of the persecution of Chinese Christians it's not really a surprise. The man's subversive to the core and at this stage an open communist.

Reality is simple. Cannibalism was widespread during the man-made famines of the 1950s-1980 and has been recorded during pretty much all of written Chinese history. No amount of damage control, smearing of academics and tantrums is going to change those facts, period. The CCP till this day is trying to cover up the barbary unleashed in those decades, in Chinese schools kids are taught Mao was a near deity and his many projects aimed for and achieved their intended goals. In the Chang commie hierarchy Madman Mao is still above Xi. All the files and archives on the matter are locked for what it's worth, only due to the courage of whistle blowers do snippets come out.

But the head of the Anhui police department ... wrote a report [during the 2000s] in which he said that [there had been] 1,289 cases of cannibalism reported in the province in 1960. That's 1,289 cases. These were considered "special cases." That's the name they gave to cases of cannibalism.

Recently, I have received another article. It's an official document that was sent for forwarding to an office in Gansu province. It's a report written by an investigative team that was sent to the province.... It documents nearly 50 cases. Here it shows you the time, and the rural work unit the people belonged to, and the names of those involved, and who it was that they ate, and how they ate them.

Here's one: "Ma Waiyou, of Maiji commune, Xinmin village. Status: common peasant. He ate Chen Zaxi. Relationship: spouse. He ate his own wife. He dug up her body and cooked it."

Here's another: "Yang Wenyi and Yuan Shuying of Houxiyan village together with ... eight people in total, dug up the body of a child, cooked and ate it."

Here's another, at the Xihe commune. A person called Liu Chuan. "They killed him and ate him...."

This is a secret report carried out by the Chinese Communist Party itself.... Mao Zedong knew about this.... Many more reports will come out like this, when those files are finally opened. This was an era of cannibalism.

Mandatory homework assignment for the little man!

Instead of admitting to having plagiarized your content from this post below made by a fellow neoliberal traveler with satanist leanings called Andrew Coté, you are doubling down and covering up with your usual wall of insults sent in between 3am and 5am from the third world time zone where you are from.

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Here is some of the text you have cut and pasted, word for word, from that fellow's article, in your post
#1,478 above:

This scene from Three Body Problem might've been based off the story of Wu Fushang.

In 1968, "a geography instructor named Wu Shufang (吴树芳) was beaten to death by students at Wuxuan Middle School. Her body was carried to the flat stones of the Qian River where another teacher was forced at gunpoint to rip out the heart and liver. Back at the school the pupils barbecued and consumed the organs."

Song Yongi, Chinese Historian working at Calstate LA, documents:

"Independent researchers in Guangxi counted a total of 421 people who were eaten. There were reports of cannibalism across 27 counties in Guangxi; that's two-thirds of all the counties in Guangxi. There was one man who was said to be in the so-called fifth category, who was beaten to death where he stood. He had two kids, one of 11 and one of 14. The local officials and armed militia said that it was important to eradicate such people, and so they not only killed those two children: they ate them too. This took place in Pubei county, Guangxi, where 35 people were killed and eaten in total. Most of them were rich landowners and their families. There was one landowner called Liu Zhengjian whose entire family was wiped out. He had a 17-year-old daughter, Liu Xiulan, who was gang-raped by nine people [for 19 times] who then ripped open her belly, and ate her liver and breasts. There were so many incidents like this."

Frank Dikotter, professor and chair of humanities at the University of Hong Kong states "it is not enough to eliminate your class enemy. You have to eat his heart, so there are very well-documented cases of ritual cannibalism. There was a hierarchy in the consumption of class enemies. Leaders feasted on the heart and liver, mixed with pork, while ordinary villagers were allowed only to peck at the victims' arms and thighs."

1993, Newsweek: ""[t]he accounts were harrowing. Principals killed in schoolyards by students, then cooked and eaten. Government-run cafeterias displaying human bodies hanging from meat hooks and dishing them out to employees ... Documents smuggled out of China last week described atrocities of the Cultural Revolution in grotesque detail."



Now as far as the incidents of cannibalism during periods of famine where millions died of hunger, those did exist in China, which was, through its very long history, subject to great famines due to meteorological phenomena, huge floods and devastating civil wars. As someone else pointed above, those incidents of cannibalism also happened in Russia and Ukraine during famines, as well as in Ireland:

While records of proven instances of cannibalism during the Great Irish Famine (1845-1852) are remarkably rare and sensitive due to social taboos, a leading expert and a recent documentary confirm that isolated cases of "survivor cannibalism" did occur out of absolute desperation.
Documented Cases
One of the most harrowing documented accounts comes from a letter written in 1849 by Fr Peter Ward, the parish priest of Partry in County Mayo, to his archbishop. He described horrific scenes in the village of Drimcaggy:

• In one hut, four people (a brother, two sisters, and a daughter) lay dead. Flesh had been pulled off the daughter's arm and mangled in the mouth of her dead mother, Mary Kennedy.
  
  • William Walsh and his son were found dead together; flesh was torn off their bodies by rats and by each other.

Similar isolated incidents were also reported in counties Cork, Kerry, and Galway.

Historical Context
Professor Cormac Ó Gráda, a leading authority on the Great Famine, argues that such desperate acts are a grim reality of the most extreme famines globally. If people do not believe such things could happen, they do not fully understand the true horror and extremity of famine.


In a more recent case, the 1972 Andes flight disaster (Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571), where survivors of a plane crash in the remote mountains of Argentina and Chile resorted to cannibalism to stay alive for 72 days.