Testosterone Replacement Therapy

Get2choppaaa said:
You are doing .5 cc 2x a week? So 1 ml total of test cypionate correct?

That should be a total of 200 mg of test a week. Which is a standard to high TRT Dose.

I don't think the added HCG actually does anything to your total test... But it will help LH sells with intra -testicular testosterone which helps sperm.

Id be very very careful with the ugl hcg, it's likely aldosterone or some other chemical and bunk.

Have you gotten a baseline spermatogenesis and morphology test? You need to do that now before adding other stuff in.

Likely if you're trying to sire kids and are over 35 and are on test of any appreciable length of time, you'll have to come off test all together for a whole... Though it differs by person.

I've been taking testosterone for 5 years with hcg and never had to come off... Old lady is ready for another one so I'm just taking 1500 IU HCG and 1500 fsh 3x a week for the next 2 months or so. If not pregnant by then, I'll just stop the test while keeping the other protocol and that will work.

Some people though have a really really hard time. So it's situation dependent.

Bottom line, get a semen analysis either way.
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Where do you go for a baseline semen analysis? Would a regular urologist do this? Never been to one, probably too young.

Just out of curiosity what is your T dosage per week and I assume that normally you are not on HCG? Typical dosages seem like 100 to 200 mg per week. HCG should in theory also boost your test levels, some doctors would prescribe it as HCG monotherapy, then if it failed straight TRT.
 
Rational1 said:
Where do you go for a baseline semen analysis? Would a regular urologist do this? Never been to one, probably too young.

Just out of curiosity what is your T dosage per week and I assume that normally you are not on HCG? Typical dosages seem like 100 to 200 mg per week. HCG should in theory also boost your test levels, some doctors would prescribe it as HCG monotherapy, then if it failed straight TRT.
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Yes a regular urologist. Are you taking exogenous drugs? Not sure why you'd get one if you're otherwise healthy and failed at having a baby...

My dose falls within the normal dosages and take HCG as well, which keeps fertility preserved and raises test and estrogen also....so I take anastrozole 8 hours post shot.

Yes that's correct. Many go to HCG monotherapy first.Just depends on your blood levels and test results.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
Yes a regular urologist. Are you taking exogenous drugs? Not sure why you'd get one if you're otherwise healthy and failed at having a baby...

My dose falls within the normal dosages and take HCG as well, which keeps fertility preserved and raises test and estrogen also....so I take anastrozole 8 hours post shot.

Yes that's correct. Many go to HCG monotherapy first.Just depends on your blood levels and test results.
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Curiosity and baseline. As far as I know I’m normal, did one of those at home tests from Amazon not sure how accurate. In case I do begin TRT, would be good to have preTRT results.
 
Rational1 said:
Curiosity and baseline. As far as I know I’m normal, did one of those at home tests from Amazon not sure how accurate. In case I do begin TRT, would be good to have preTRT results.
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If youre over 30....and have issues...

Go do blood work from a doctor.

Until you do that.

You don't need to dabble.
 
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I found this company offering a treatment that increases your testosterone without your balls shrinking or needing injections.

Instead of Clomid, they recommend Enclomiphene for less side effects. I heard it can double your testosterone if you have a little below average production.

Problem I see is they want something like $150-$200 a month for a medication you can get for $5 for a month supply in some countries (in Asia or South America).

Anybody with experience with such medication?
 
Did anyone read this study that concluded last year which was the biggest study of its kind?


Basically, they found no correlation between taking T injections and cardiac events. However...the bad news is they found people taking the injections had a higher incidence of atrial fibrillation, acute kidney injury, and issues arising from blood clots in the veins.
 
Have you guys tried Nugneix Total T? It looks like a B vitamin with some other stuff like fenugreek. That's something I've been meaning to look into as I found this on another site:

A 12-week study in 50 men demonstrated that those who took a daily 500-mg fenugreek supplement that contained concentrated amounts of protodioscin experienced significant improvements in their testosterone levels.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/fenugreek-for-testosterone


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Maddox said:
Did anyone read this study that concluded last year which was the biggest study of its kind?


Basically, they found no correlation between taking T injections and cardiac events. However...the bad news is they found people taking the injections had a higher incidence of atrial fibrillation, acute kidney injury, and issues arising from blood clots in the veins.
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I knew (of) a doctor who oversaw an orthopedic journal YEARS ago and they were one of the few publications that honestly stated, "The adverse effects of exogenous testosterone have historically been vastyle overstated." And it's true.

I'm not encouraging T use, I'm just saying, most of the bad events that happen to guys that happened to use anabolic steroids were impossible to control for. They tended to be guys who (wrestlers, mostly) that used all sorts of drugs, and all sorts of stimulants to boot. Most weight lifters, soviet and otherwise, and even a ton of wrestlers actually lived a really long time. They just had beat up joints and bodies.

Now in the post covid/jab era, it's even harder to discern what is going on, big picture. T does increase hemoglobin and thus viscosity, though, and it will hypertrophy various organs, there is no doubt. In a way, HGH might be safer as a youth producer, but it has some other sides that might be irreversible. And it's expensive.
 
Blade Runner said:
I knew (of) a doctor who oversaw an orthopedic journal YEARS ago and they were one of the few publications that honestly stated, "The adverse effects of exogenous testosterone have historically been vastyle overstated." And it's true.

I'm not encouraging T use, I'm just saying, most of the bad events that happen to guys that happened to use anabolic steroids were impossible to control for. They tended to be guys who (wrestlers, mostly) that used all sorts of drugs, and all sorts of stimulants to boot. Most weight lifters, soviet and otherwise, and even a ton of wrestlers actually lived a really long time. They just had beat up joints and bodies.

Now in the post covid/jab era, it's even harder to discern what is going on, big picture. T does increase hemoglobin and thus viscosity, though, and it will hypertrophy various organs, there is no doubt. In a way, HGH might be safer as a youth producer, but it has some other sides that might be irreversible. And it's expensive.
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Dis-lipidemia is pretty common, but the biggest issue with non medically supervised Test users is the unmitigated estrogen.

You can mitigate the blood thickening with IP6, cardio, and being well hydrated.

It's all about your compounding lifestyle.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
but the biggest issue with non medically supervised Test users is the unmitigated estrogen.
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Yes, I recall you guys talking about this a while back. Does it increase estrogen related to substrate level increases? That is, the higher levels break down into estrogens and persist ...
 
Blade Runner said:
Yes, I recall you guys talking about this a while back. Does it increase estrogen related to substrate level increases? That is, the higher levels break down into estrogens and persist ...
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Yes as baseline test increases, aromatization increases, side effects increase.

Side effects like increased blood pressure due to water retention (one of the main things that actually then resulted in increased heart disease) as well as prostate cancer issues.

Dr. Rand McClain has gone into great lengths to demonstrate and has proved how and why estrogen control is critical.

Some estrogen is needed for brain, joint, and heart health, but too much estrogen is a major issue.

 
Get2choppaaa said:
Yes as baseline test increases, aromatization increases, side effects increase.

Side effects like increased blood pressure due to water retention (one of the main things that actually then resulted in increased heart disease) as well as prostate cancer issues.

Dr. Rand McClain has gone into great lengths to demonstrate and has proved how and why estrogen control is critical.

Some estrogen is needed for brain, joint, and heart health, but too much estrogen is a major issue.

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Yes, makes perfect sense, and also demonstrates why the mainstays of medications for longevity of normies are mostly in anti-hypertensives, which I've always claimed. You can keep good blood pressure typically by not being overweight, but not all people can help that. That statins and other meds are largely BS and/or have major sides if you aren't in bad medical shape.
 
Joost said:
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I found this company offering a treatment that increases your testosterone without your balls shrinking or needing injections.

Instead of Clomid, they recommend Enclomiphene for less side effects. I heard it can double your testosterone if you have a little below average production.

Problem I see is they want something like $150-$200 a month for a medication you can get for $5 for a month supply in some countries (in Asia or South America).

Anybody with experience with such medication?
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You're worried about your balls shrinking and needles, go on a bodybuilding forum and read about real world side effects of Enclomiphene. Not a website trying to sell it to you, read peoples actual expierences. It's a very nasty drug not something you can use long term and whatever it does will wear off as soon as you stop using it, it's not worth whatever benefit you will get from it.
 
Blade Runner said:
Yes, makes perfect sense, and also demonstrates why the mainstays of medications for longevity of normies are mostly in anti-hypertensives, which I've always claimed. You can keep good blood pressure typically by not being overweight, but not all people can help that. That statins and other meds are largely BS and/or have major sides if you aren't in bad medical shape.
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Yes. Frankly blood pressure is the main thing that kills steroid abusers. They usually have other life style implications but the BP neglect is what strains the whole system. Keeping your kidneys healthy through blood pressure being low is akin to a coffee filter bit getting a hole blown through it.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
Yes. Frankly blood pressure is the main thing that kills steroid abusers. They usually have other life style implications but the BP neglect is what strains the whole system. Keeping your kidneys healthy through blood pressure being low is akin to a coffee filter bit getting a hole blown through it.
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Also blood thinners are one of the few drugs that are also generallly safe, there really is no downside to using them. Don't get me wrong it's better to not be on any script drugs at all but comparatively speaking it's one you shouldn't shy away from, high blood pressure is infinitely more dangerous than any danger from the drug used to treat it.
 
FrancisK said:
You're worried about your balls shrinking and needles, go on a bodybuilding forum and read about real world side effects of Enclomiphene. Not a website trying to sell it to you, read peoples actual expierences. It's a very nasty drug not something you can use long term and whatever it does will wear off as soon as you stop using it, it's not worth whatever benefit you will get from it.
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I did steroids (cycles) for +20 years. It's not like I'm afraid of needles. My biggest concern is starting a TRT with synthetic testosterone and deplete my natural production. Then for some reason I'm not able to continue taking injections, tank my T levels and turn to an effeminate liberal.

I heard enclominophene does not have the same side-effects of clominophene. Are you sure it's not the latter? I can't find enclominophene posts in bodybuilding forum.
 
Joost said:
I did steroids (cycles) for +20 years. It's not like I'm afraid of needles. My biggest concern is starting a TRT with synthetic testosterone and deplete my natural production. Then for some reason I'm not able to continue taking injections, tank my T levels and turn to an effeminate liberal.

I heard enclominophene does not have the same side-effects of clominophene. Are you sure it's not the latter? I can't find enclominophene posts in bodybuilding forum.
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If you're levels are low anyway where is the concern?
 
Joost said:
I did steroids (cycles) for +20 years. It's not like I'm afraid of needles. My biggest concern is starting a TRT with synthetic testosterone and deplete my natural production. Then for some reason I'm not able to continue taking injections, tank my T levels and turn to an effeminate liberal.

I heard enclominophene does not have the same side-effects of clominophene. Are you sure it's not the latter? I can't find enclominophene posts in bodybuilding forum.
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I understand that, especially as someone who would dissuade anyone from using test unless they actually had low testosterone and tried lifestyle changes first.

Do you actually have low testosterone and can't correct it or are you just chasing higher levels?
 
Get2choppaaa said:
If you're levels are low anyway where is the concern?
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FrancisK said:
I understand that, especially as someone who would dissuade anyone from using test unless they actually had low testosterone and tried lifestyle changes first.

Do you actually have low testosterone and can't correct it or are you just chasing higher levels?
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Last time I checked it was 500. That’s considered normal or even high for my age. I know how great it feels having high levels and if I could keep them high indefinitely without depleting my natural production in case I decide (or need to) stop taking medication, it would be preferable.
 
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