Testosterone Replacement Therapy

[FrancisK]

Last time I checked it was 500. That’s considered normal or even high for my age. I know how great it feels having high levels and if I could keep them high indefinitely without depleting my natural production in case I decide (or need to) stop taking medication, it would be preferable.

You're chasing the dragon brother I know how you feel, you're either in or out there is no cheat code. Even if you use the enclominophene it's only temporary once you come off the effects are gone and that's not a drug you can be on long term. My advice would be don't mess with your natural levels and your body functions but as someone who knows the feeling you're chasing I know that's hard.....

 

[Get2choppaaa]

High level discussion on blood work. @Blade Runner

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Here's a video from Dr. O Connor on estrogen with another doctor discussing estrogen.

He's pretty anti AI.

Estrogen is heart healthy, so there's an absolutely a sweet spot.

 

[Joost]

You're worried about your balls shrinking and needles, go on a bodybuilding forum and read about real world side effects of Enclomiphene. Not a website trying to sell it to you, read peoples actual expierences. It's a very nasty drug not something you can use long term and whatever it does will wear off as soon as you stop using it, it's not worth whatever benefit you will get from it.

Came here to say you were right. Enclominophene is garbage. I felt really depressive, probably due to estrogen. Doctor could recommend an estrogen-blocker but to start taking another medication is something I was not interested in.

Nothing beats injectable testosterone.

Does anybody can recommend a good source that I can order online?

 

[FrancisK]

Came here to say you were right. Enclominophene is garbage. I felt really depressive, probably due to estrogen. Doctor could recommend an estrogen-blocker but to start taking another medication is something I was not interested in.

Nothing beats injectable testosterone.

Does anybody can recommend a good source that I can order online?

What I have discovered in this realm of "medicine" is that real world experience far trumps anything a doctor will tell you. Very few doctors know what they are talking about or doing when it comes to any of this stuff. Good on you for not just throwing more chemicals at your body, especially AI's as they can be even more nasty than the clomid. Sounds like your doc is more interested in treating numbers on a piece of paper than your actual health.

Refresh my memory, did you actually have low testosterone numbers and felt that or were you just looking for a "boost"?

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Came here to say you were right. Enclominophene is garbage. I felt really depressive, probably due to estrogen. Doctor could recommend an estrogen-blocker but to start taking another medication is something I was not interested in.

Nothing beats injectable testosterone.

Does anybody can recommend a good source that I can order online?

Strongly suggest you find a good urologist or a clinic. Do not get gear online and expect safe and accurately dosed stuff.

There are labs from Ukraine Bulgaria ECT that are legit, but if you get caught, depending on your state or country, you're totally royally fucked.

Get a doctor, get some labs and go from there. If you're in the USA and want some suggestions on reputable doctor resources pm me. But again I stress that you should NOT go outside the law and I don't recommend illegal underground pharma.

 

[Thomas More]

Strongly suggest you find a good urologist or a clinic. Do not get gear online and expect safe and accurately dosed stuff.

There are labs from Ukraine Bulgaria ECT that are legit, but if you get caught, depending on your state or country, you're totally royally fucked.

Get a doctor, get some labs and go from there. If you're in the USA and want some suggestions on reputable doctor resources pm me. But again I stress that you should NOT go outside the law and I don't recommend illegal underground pharma.

You can get TRT from an outfit like MaleExcel.com. They will have you consult with a doctor, then set you up with a prescription if you pass the criteria.

Most people can produce a low T level for the purposes of getting a TRT prescription. T levels vary during the day, and vary due to circumstances. T levels are highest in the morning. Also, a winner who has just won a fight has a very high level of T. The guy he just beat has a low level of T. On a more mundane level, a guy who eats well and lifts heavy has higher T. A guy who is run down and feels like crap has low T.

So, as is obvious, when you have to do the mail-in test for your T levels, you want to do it in late afternoon, put yourself in a state of being run down, and work yourself into a defeatist state of mind. Stay up drinking the night before, and dwell on every mistake you have made in life in the hours before the test.

This will drop your T levels as far as they can go, and will enable the Dr to approve your prescription

Obviously once the prescription is approved, you should go back to eating right, getting plenty of rest, and thinking like a winner.

 

[Joost]

What I have discovered in this realm of "medicine" is that real world experience far trumps anything a doctor will tell you. Very few doctors know what they are talking about or doing when it comes to any of this stuff. Good on you for not just throwing more chemicals at your body, especially AI's as they can be even more nasty than the clomid. Sounds like your doc is more interested in treating numbers on a piece of paper than your actual health.

Refresh my memory, did you actually have low testosterone numbers and felt that or were you just looking for a "boost"?

I did plenty of cycles when younger. Was looking for a boost. My levels are 500. Normal to good for a man in his 40's but I notice the signs of aging.

 

[FrancisK]

I did plenty of cycles when younger. Was looking for a boost. My levels are 500. Normal to good for a man in his 40's but I notice the signs of aging.

I know that dragon that you're chasing very well and while I doubt you'll take it I'll give you my advice anyway.

Don't do it, if you had low test that's one thing I would tell you without hesitation start some TRT and God Bless, no need to suffer. But you don't, any boost you get from it is going to eventually not be a boost at all it's just going to be the normal feeling you have now. You should know from your steroid cycles that the longer you stay on the less it does and that is especially true for a low dose of something that is already in your body which that you're going to be taking forever. That's without even talking about the aspect of messing with your hormones and everything that comes with it and having to stick yourself with a needle for the rest of your life. Right now you're looking back to how you felt on those steroid cycles wanting that feeling back, I promise you it will not be the same your body will not tolerate things like it used to those days are gone. It's like putting a turbo charger on a new car vs putting one on an old car with a bunch of miles on it and worn parts, yea you'll get some boost but you're going to have some things breaking and not behaving properly.

If you want a boost use some HGH, HGH when used at a responsible dose has no side effects long or short term and while it's not some miracle it definitely does some nice things for your body and has no consequence coming off. Since you're not afraid of needles add some injectable L-carnitine and you'll be feeling pretty good, that would be a really nice boost that isn't a lifelong commitment screwing with your body. If there are specific things you want to do like gain size or lose fat there are other things you can use that are not a lifelong commitment. From what you're saying it seems that a mental boost giving yourself an edge in your mind would help you just as much as a physical boost, you don't need T for that.

Either way good luck to you and God Bless. If I can help with anything at all let me know.

 

[ginsu]

As much as i hated to hear being told this when i was suffering its likely most dont actually need TRT and there is some underlying issue or lifestyle piece you need to solve. I did two rounds of TRT each time being on a roller coaster suffering some miserable side effects and not feeling right and quitting after 6 months. I was suffering from other undiagnosed things that can be solved through less costly and more natural means. For the first time in years finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Its still a long road but i am excited from the first improvements i have seen. You think you have done A LOT or everything you can in lifestyle and diagnosing but there is always more that you dont know about. Ultimately its your own responsability it can also be that you will waste years spinning your wheels and regretting not starting TRT sooner its highly individual.

Testosterone is just one piece of a very complex system that is our body do not tunnel vision on it there are many other things that can mess you up badly that are not highlighted and hyped because they are not profitable. If you do go to a TRT clinic just know that they wont actually diagnose you properly and you WILL get on trt from just a few superficial intake consults. Because that is the only thing they have to offer and make a good profit on. That can be a good but also a bad thing. Just my experience i wish i had never done TRT and that i had found the true cause of my problems sooner (lyme). Here is one other piece that i have felt life changing results from in a short amount of time and simple to implement.

 

[Thomas More]

As much as i hated to hear being told this when i was suffering its likely most dont actually need TRT and there is some underlying issue or lifestyle piece you need to solve. I did two rounds of TRT each time being on a roller coaster suffering some miserable side effects and not feeling right and quitting after 6 months. I was suffering from other undiagnosed things that can be solved through less costly and more natural means. For the first time in years finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Its still a long road but i am excited from the first improvements i have seen. You think you have done A LOT or everything you can in lifestyle and diagnosing but there is always more that you dont know about. Ultimately its your own responsability it can also be that you will waste years spinning your wheels and regretting not starting TRT sooner its highly individual.

Testosterone is just one piece of a very complex system that is our body do not tunnel vision on it there are many other things that can mess you up badly that are not highlighted and hyped because they are not profitable. If you do go to a TRT clinic just know that they wont actually diagnose you properly and you WILL get on trt from just a few superficial intake consults. Because that is the only thing they have to offer and make a good profit on. That can be a good but also a bad thing. Just my experience i wish i had never done TRT and that i had found the true cause of my problems sooner (lyme). Here is one other piece that i have felt life changing results from in a short amount of time and simple to implement.
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