Situation in the Red Sea (Houthi Thread)

Get2choppaaa said:
I don't know about the Kaliber missles at Air craft carriers.

Thought I've had surface to ship missles shot at me by Houthis...
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I'm glad you're no longer in that situation.

I don't think the Houthis are admirable or anything like that, but I understand why they see the US as their enemy, and the US is pretty bending over backwards inviting 20-50 sympathetic countries to give them aid and advanced missiles.
 
Thomas More said:
I would expect the Houthis to be launching Kaliber missiles at US aircraft carriers.
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Get2choppaaa said:
I don't know about the Kaliber missles at Air craft carriers.
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That would be awkward since the Kalibr is a ship to surface cruise missile not the other way around. ;)


It_Is_My_Time said:
I guess we will see how this plays out.

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Thomas More said:
I've been expecting this since that missile hit on the Russian beach.
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No surprise there - Russians have been warning us, that they will respond in a symmetrical way: providing military support to our adversaries, and here we are. I'm not sure whether they will deliver the Oniks missiles directly to the Houthis. The Houthis themselves are to unpredictable to leave them alone with advanced weapon systems - they have a record of accidentally striking Russian, Chinese and even Iranian ships. So I think Russia will, more likely, deliver older anti-ship systems, like the Kh-35/Bal, to Iran with a permission to transfer them to Yemen, but with Iranian "advisors" attached.
 
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TruckDriver9 said:
That would be awkward since the Kalibr is a ship to surface cruise missile not the other way around. ;)





No surprise there - Russians have been warning us, that they will respond in a symmetrical way: providing military support to our adversaries, and here we are. I'm not sure whether they will deliver the Oniks missiles directly to the Houthis. The Houthis themselves are to unpredictable to leave them alone with advanced weapon systems - they have a record of accidentally striking Russian, Chinese and even Iranian ships. So I think Russia will, more likely, deliver older anti-ship systems, like the Kh-35/Bal, to Iran with a permission to transfer them to Yemen, but with Iranian "advisors" attached.
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Sez here that the Kalibr is a family of missiles that includes anti-ship capabilities.


en.wikipedia.org

Kalibr (missile family) - Wikipedia

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ackually :geek:
 
The Eisenhower has reportedly left the Mediterranean and headed back to Norfolk, VA.

The USS Theodore Roosevelt carrier group is now heading towards the Red Sea. Ike's departure from Red Sea was from south to north, rapidly moving away from Yemeni waters, then staying in the northern Red Sea for a couple weeks, then on to the Med. The Roosevelt will supposedly enter from the east/Gulf of Aden.

Arrival happens to be around the time Israel is to step up their Lebanon ops (who really knows).



Kind of a chicken game now. Do the Houthis have Russian/Iranian capabilities? Is that good enough to take a shot at the Roosevelt? Is it worth the risk for the Roosevelt to test the theory by going all the way through? Or is Roosevelt just going to park and keep Yemen busy from the South as Israel does its thing to the North?

Bibi planning to visit US Congress on July 24.
 
Pointy Elbows said:
The Eisenhower has reportedly left the Mediterranean and headed back to Norfolk, VA.

The USS Theodore Roosevelt carrier group is now heading towards the Red Sea. Ike's departure from Red Sea was from south to north, rapidly moving away from Yemeni waters, then staying in the northern Red Sea for a couple weeks, then on to the Med. The Roosevelt will supposedly enter from the east/Gulf of Aden.

Arrival happens to be around the time Israel is to step up their Lebanon ops (who really knows).
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Roosevelt for Eisenhower is a 1 to 1 rotation, there's nothing surprising about it.
TruckDriver9 said:
Nah, that's a Red Sea rotation. USS Eisenhower and one of its escorts already left the Red Sea and the Roosevelt strike group sails to take its place. Which in turn will be replaced, or reinforced, by the Truman strike group later this year.

The rotation itself is not surprising, but the details are odd. You see, Ike was scheduled to rotate with the Truman strike group back in April/May: they've already left the Red Sea, but the mission was extended and they sailed back after Houthis threatened to expand their operations. So the rotation was already overdue, and now instead of the Truman strike group, it's the Roosevelt that sails to take their place. So the first qustion is: what is the reason behind Truman's delay? Next, why did the USS Eisenhower left the area before the replacement arrived? USS Roosevelt is in the Pacific, it will take around a week for the strike group to sail to the Middle East. And what about Roosevelt's area of responsibility? With them gone, another carrier group (USS George Washington) will have to deploy to Asia ahead of schedule.
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We can assume that once in the area, the Roosevelt strike group will continue Ike's mission without much changes - carrier with one of its escorts in the northern part of the Red Sea, between Yemen and Israel, cruiser in the Gulf of Aden, and the remaining destroyers will shepherd (along with our valiant sidekicks) merchant vessels through the Bab-el-Mandeb.
I wouldn't pay much attention to it.
Much more interesting is the arrival of the Wasp Amphibious Ready Group in the Mediterranean.
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USS Wasp Transits Through the Strait of Gibraltar

STRAIT OF GIBRALTAR — The amphibious assault ship USS Wasp (LHD 1), flagship of the Wasp Amphibious Ready Group (WSP ARG) and embarked 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) Special Operations
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This is clearly, in anticipation of Israeli invasion of Lebanon - if it happens, Marines from the ARG will be in place, ready to evacuate US, and allied, citizens out of Lebanon.


Pointy Elbows said:
Kind of a chicken game now. Do the Houthis have Russian/Iranian capabilities? Is that good enough to take a shot at the Roosevelt? Is it worth the risk for the Roosevelt to test the theory by going all the way through? Or is Roosevelt just going to park and keep Yemen busy from the South as Israel does its thing to the North?
Bibi planning to visit US Congress on July 24.
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Russian arms deliveries to Yemen, is still just a speculation.
It could be the older Bal system, or the modern Bastion (capable of firing not only Oniks, but also the Zircon hypersonic missiles). I'm more inclined to believe in the former - Iran already has the Bal, so they can send their military personnel to instruct and babysit the Houthis. And I can even imagine a package deal: Iran will get the latest Bastion, and their now outdated Bal will go to the Houthis.
Or it could be something completely different, like for example soviet-era SAMs to replenish Houthi stockpiles. Or, in what would be the most symmetrical response, Houthis could be used to test Russian-made naval drones against US warships.
We won't know for sure until Houthis start using them.
 
7/13/24 -USS Eisenhower's jets have returned home to Virginia.
- USS Roosevelt has slowed approach to the Gulf of Aden

Commentary from USS Eisenhower USN pilots upon returning:



"US Navy Pilots from USS Eisenhower came home to Virginia, after the most intense sea battle the Navy has faced since World War II."

Yeah, tell that to the USS Liberty survivors. Of course, they chose a Russian surname pilot to deliver such a message.

Anyway, sounds like the Eisenhower did have a near miss.

If the Roosevelt fails to attempt passage to the Red Sea, the USN has blinked and is capitulating .mil passage in that region for the time being.
 
The Houthis must immediately stop their attacks on civilian naval ships. It is great danger to international shipping.

In March United Nations security council accept resolution that demands the Houthis stop attacking civilian ships immediately. It's called Resolution 2216.

This resolution is supported by Russia and China.



Also two state solution must be implemented in Israel and Palestina.
 
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Pointy Elbows said:
Yemen claims they attacked another 3 ships: 2 in the Arabian Sea and one in the Gulf of Aden.
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The tally grew to 5 by the end of the week. None of the attacks was successful, but for the record:
- "Maersk Sentosa", a US flagged, Mearsk container ship.
Maersk confirmed that the ship was targeted by a “flying object” early on Tuesday morning in the “northernmost part” of the Gulf of Aden, which is just west of the Arabian Sea. “No injuries to the crew or damage to the ship or cargo were reported,” it said. “The vessel is currently continuing her voyage towards her next port of call.”
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- "Marthopolis", a Malta flagged, Greek owned, Maersk operated container ship.
The container ship, which is owned by Greece’s Costamare and operated by Maersk, was targeted with a drone, the group said as it claimed an accurate hit. When TradeWinds asked about the two Maersk vessels, the company statement made no reference to the Marathopolis. Costamare could not be immediately reached for comment.
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- "MSC Patnaree II", a Liberia flagged, MSC container ship.
“The operation was carried out by the Unmanned Air Force and achieved its goal successfully,” the group said, according to a computer translation. The Houthis claimed the ship is Israeli, but no known connection to the country is known. MSC did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Tracking data shows the ship’s last location at the Somali port of Berbera, in the southern Gulf of Aden, four days ago.
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- Later, two Liberia flagged, Greek owned and operated tankers: "Mount Fuji" and "Chrysalis", were fired on.
On Wednesday, July 10, the Liberian-flagged tanker Mount Fuji (150,000 dwt) reported a nearby explosion with some reports saying one missile stuck the water and another exploded in the air.
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Late on Friday the Houthis claimed to have twice targeted a Greek-managed crude oil tanker. The Charysalis (115,867 dwt registered in Liberia) was reportedly fired on while it was in the Red Sea and again as it was transiting the Bab el-Mandeb because the Houthi said its owners had sent ships to Israel.
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Pointy Elbows said:
USS Theodore Roosevelt arrive vicinity Gulf of Aden as early as tomorrow.
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You expect something ?
 
Pointy Elbows said:
@TruckDriver9, I expect the Roosevelt to get the same treatment as the Ike, whatever that was. Whatever we call it, the Houthis consider it a success. I think they want more.
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Same here. I expect the Houthis will shoot at US targets with either their current rate of success, or they might do better due to experience and access to better munitions. I don't see them leaving the Roosevelt alone.
 
Well, the arrival of the Roosevelt carrier strike group, didn't deter the Houthis.

1. "MSC Unific VI", a Liberia-flagged, MSC container ship was attacked in the Gulf of Aden, without any success.
2. "Olvia", a Cyprus-flagged, Greek owned and operated tanker, was allegedly attacked in the Mediterranean.
3. "Chios Lion" , a Liberia-flagged, Greek owned and operated tanker was hit by an unmanned boat in the Red Sea. Some damage was reported, but she continues to sail (for now).
This vessel was impacted by an uncrewed surface vessel with the master telling UKMTO they experienced “some damage” on the port side along with light smoke. The vessel however was proceeding to its next port according to UKMTO.
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4. And last, but not least. "Bentley I", a Panama-flagged, Israeli owned tanker was approached by 1 unmanned and 2 crewed boats, but the attack has failed. Later, she was attcked with missiles/drones, but those attacks were also unsuccessful.
The master of a product tanker reported that the vessel was approached by three small blue and white colored boats while they were approximately 70 nautical miles southwest of Hodeidah in the Red Sea. According to the reports, one of the vessels was unmanned and collided twice with the tanker without an explosion. The other two boats were manned and gunfire was exchanged between the boats and the security guards on the tanker before the boats withdrew.
The incident transpired over about 15 minutes with the tanker reporting it took protective measures. About two and a half hours later the same vessel reported a nearby missile explosion and then 45 minutes later two further explosions. Three hours later an unknown projective also exploded near the same tanker. The master told UKMTO that they were not injured and there was no damage to the vessel.
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It's the time factor not the costs that makes shipping companies take their chances. Increased costs of sailing around Africa can be dumped on the consumer, but the delays, disrupt shipping operations on a broad scale: a ship sailing around Africa is out of roster for at least 2-3 weeks.
 
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