Peak Fertility For Women and Men

[starlight]

Il tell you why I dont think it has to do with race because this person O knew who only got her period at 17 that was kind of normal back then but that same race today get their period at a very young age, keep in mind our modern diet and cosmetics and products we use today are full of chemicals and hormones that effect the womans cycle plus the kind of lifestyles we living today compared to 50 years ago,so yes maybe you will notice that some races might be getting their periods sooner but go look at their diet and lifestyle they will most probably be eating and living the non healthy way they not eating organic food and they not out in nature either am I right?

First, starting a period at 17 is a complete outlier, considered old/late by all measures, and anecdotal to your own story. Second, different races do reach puberty at different ages. Like I already wrote, there are different gestation times between races. Africans have the shortest and Asians have the longest. Shorter gestation equals sooner adolescence.

And I will tell why I don't think immigrants having an earlier menarche has to do with diet... because these illegal immigrants are coming here fat to begin with...

 

[GoodShepherd]

First, starting a period at 17 is a complete outlier, considered old/late by all measures, and anecdotal to your own story. Second, different races do reach puberty at different ages. Like I already wrote, there are different gestation times between races. Africans have the shortest and Asians have the longest. Shorter gestation equals sooner adolescence.

And I will tell why I don't think immigrants having an earlier menarche has to do with diet... because these illegal immigrants are coming here fat to begin with...

The American diet is the worst in the world and Im sure the Africans in America are not eating well or living well lots of family problems and divorces etc that also causes early periods for girls, asians they eat well and have stable homes but Im sure the children of the asians born in America on the American fast food diet and living like the average person there will start their periods much earlier than back home in Japan, maybe Im wrong but I suspect this to be true

 

[TheLearningWife]

Another factor is the endocrine disrupters present in our environment (phthalates, bisphenol A, anything that is “waterproof” like rain jackets contain PFAS) and the addition of soy to so many processed products, as well as the increase in soy-based infant formula and soy milk. The linings of fast food wrappers and other containers also contain these things and another one just got banned a couple months ago.

Interestingly, younger periods don’t necessarily mean younger ovulation… that is usually delayed by a year to 2.

The soy formula epidemic is especially bad for baby boys and I personally think it’s why we see so many soft looking boys these days. In Europe, cows or goats milk powdered formula is standard ( breastfeeding is of course better). I read an article that was chastising parents for using these formulas in the US… one female pediatrician literally said she discourages parents in her practice from using them, but uses them for her own baby

Fat itself releases estrogen, so male or female, you will produce more of it if you are overweight.

 

[TheLearningWife]

Amazing book, highly recommend her whole series.

 

[GoodShepherd]

Another factor is the endocrine disrupters present in our environment (phthalates, bisphenol A, anything that is “waterproof” like rain jackets contain PFAS) and the addition of soy to so many processed products, as well as the increase in soy-based infant formula and soy milk. The linings of fast food wrappers and other containers also contain these things and another one just got banned a couple months ago.

Interestingly, younger periods don’t necessarily mean younger ovulation… that is usually delayed by a year to 2.

The soy formula epidemic is especially bad for baby boys and I personally think it’s why we see so many soft looking boys these days. In Europe, cows or goats milk powdered formula is standard ( breastfeeding is of course better). I read an article that was chastising parents for using these formulas in the US… one female pediatrician literally said she discourages parents in her practice from using them, but uses them for her own baby

Fat itself releases estrogen, so male or female, you will produce more of it if you are overweight.

All my kids were breast fed they have never had powder formular milk or vaccines, so in that book you mentioned nourishing traditions theres the one for adults, I havent read it but my wife did and its recorded in that book that some red indian kids still drank breast milk even when they were 15 years old just to show the difference between the old and modern world, I remember my wife reading that chapter to me.

I also birthed all my kids they were not born in hospitals, doesnt mean they gonna be perfect and not have any problems but thats how extreme we were

 

[starlight]

The American diet is the worst in the world and Im sure the Africans in America are not eating well or living well lots of family problems and divorces etc that also causes early periods for girls, asians they eat well and have stable homes but Im sure the children of the asians born in America on the American fast food diet and living like the average person there will start their periods much earlier than back home in Japan, maybe Im wrong but I suspect this to be true

It's "all of the above" for reasons why the age of first period is getting younger in the US and race is one of the many contributing factors. When there is a huge influx of a population that generally matures faster (like Central Americans, for example) than the original European Americans that is going to add to the downward trend.

 

[TheLearningWife]

All my kids were breast fed they have never had powder formular milk or vaccines, so in that book you mentioned nourishing traditions theres the one for adults, I havent read it but my wife did and its recorded in that book that some red indian kids still drank breast milk even when they were 15 years old just to show the difference between the old and modern world, I remember my wife reading that chapter to me.

I also birthed all my kids they were not born in hospitals, doesnt mean they gonna be perfect and not have any problems but thats how extreme we were

That’s awesome, your wife is very wise. If you have any other book recommendations/advice you should add them to the Raising Kids in the Modern World thread in the Coffee House section. We did the same especially after the scamdemic when we finally starting exploring outside mainstream medicine. The old forum was a huge catalyst for that. My first was hospital/standard stuff and then switched to birth centers and more natural-based stuff/no shots and the difference is pronounced. I see same thing with friends. It’s really wonderful that people are shifting their perspectives with solid information and making better decisions for their kids. Nothing’s perfect, but a lot of the natural stuff lines up with the advice of the Saints and I find a lot of comfort in that.

Ya I remember a Father Kosmas talk about either St Porphyrios or St Paisios, and it was said in some more remote Greek villages, it was not uncommon to breastfeed until 7 and their men were so strong they would throw the Turks over the city walls with their bare hands lol. It was a different time… and come to think of it, I read a study once that the length of time an infant was breastfed correlated to increased quadricep strength in high school (never breastfed, for 6 months, or for 1 year).

On the thread topic, another great book is How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor by Dr Robert Mendelssohn. Apparently he made a lot of waves in the 80s; the man was ahead of his time. He claimed exclusive breastfeeding provides about 14 months of ovulation suppression, and I have found that to be pretty spot on for me and friends, except one for whom it’s much earlier.

 

[GoodShepherd]

That’s awesome, your wife is very wise. If you have any other book recommendations/advice you should add them to the Raising Kids in the Modern World thread in the Coffee House section. We did the same especially after the scamdemic when we finally starting exploring outside mainstream medicine. The old forum was a huge catalyst for that. My first was hospital/standard stuff and then switched to birth centers and more natural-based stuff/no shots and the difference is pronounced. I see same thing with friends. It’s really wonderful that people are shifting their perspectives with solid information and making better decisions for their kids. Nothing’s perfect, but a lot of the natural stuff lines up with the advice of the Saints and I find a lot of comfort in that.

Ya I remember a Father Kosmas talk about either St Porphyrios or St Paisios, and it was said in some more remote Greek villages, it was not uncommon to breastfeed until 7 and their men were so strong they would throw the Turks over the city walls with their bare hands lol. It was a different time… and come to think of it, I read a study once that the length of time an infant was breastfed correlated to increased quadricep strength in high school (never breastfed, for 6 months, or for 1 year).

On the thread topic, another great book is How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor by Dr Robert Mendelssohn. Apparently he made a lot of waves in the 80s; the man was ahead of his time. He claimed exclusive breastfeeding provides about 14 months of ovulation suppression, and I have found that to be pretty spot on for me and friends, except one for whom it’s much earlier.

I will see if I can remember some books to add there, most my wife read but I can remember some, there was one about vacinnes, its an old book but it basically shared ingredients used in vaccines and when they mentioned animals blood and cells and aborted babies cells and the harmful metals that are used as preservatives like aluminium and mercury etc those were serious red flags, these are old vaccines that have been around for decades imagine the new vaccines with no trials down and made by people who said they want to lower the population of the earth!

My first born we didnt birth at home but at a midwife center and was allowed to be there and we dress in plain clothes and I was allowed to cut the babies cord and to catch my baby as he came out etc so it was very nice, the midwife at some point I think she was getting tiered and told me in private that my wife isnt dialating fast enough and was pushing for a c-section but I told her that we not gonna do that and not to tell my wife so it doesnt stress her out and we carried on at my request and the labor was over 24 hours long buy my child was born and no stiches were even needed or any medical stuff after birth, I took the placenta home and buried it in my garden and planted a tree on it.

My other kids we birthed at home unassisted births without anyone because we didnt like the fact the midwife was rushing us, we only called the midwife the next day to come and check that everything was fine and that all of the placenta was out and to fill out the birth documents for us, Im not saying its easy to birth this way its always a life or death situation,there is pain, my wife never took any pain meds, we both drank a glass of red wine once during the labor, not something they gonna let you do in hospital, it gets messy near the end and after the birth there is blood and juices to clean up but its a blessing, there comes a peace into the room its the opposite of when a death takes place and the house becomea haunted, the opposite seemed to happen.

 

[GoodShepherd]

It's "all of the above" for reasons why the age of first period is getting younger in the US and race is one of the many contributing factors. When there is a huge influx of a population that generally matures faster (like Central Americans, for example) than the original European Americans that is going to add to the downward trend.

Well as long as the downward trend is just happening on paper and not in your community and family then I think thats ok, stats can be very deceiving and unreliable because of this

 

[starlight]

ED products can extend the span of male fertility. If ED products, and other such therapies for older men, weren't available I wonder how that would affect their fertile years. I wonder if the years of modern male fertility are artificially longer than in the past...

 

[starlight]

^ It's interesting that there hasn't been any push back at all regarding this thought. Men taking Viagra (or other hormonal therapies) at 50+ (or whatever) to get a woman pregnant is not natural fertility. A man might still produce healthy sperm in his testes at that age but...

 

[Blade Runner]

A man might still produce healthy sperm in his testes at that age but...

That's what fertility is.

Do you really think men can't get an erection at all, under any circumstances, even through age 60? Not any meaningful number of men, and certainly not anyone that would be in good physical condition, of which there are many, especially these days.

 

[starlight]

That's what fertility is.

No... it's not.

Do you really think men can't get an erection at all, under any circumstances, even through age 60? Not any meaningful number of men, and certainly not anyone that would be in good physical condition, of which there are many, especially these days.

I don't know... That's why I asked.

Edit: Seems like there is a lot of money in ED products for so many men that don't need them...

 

[Christos_NIKA]

No... it's not.


I don't know... That's why I asked.

Edit: Seems like there is a lot of money in ED products for so many men that don't need them...

I'm in my mid-50s, and in very good physical athletic shape. I can say that I maybe I have 10% loss of erectile performance from when I was 30. I really do think most of it has to do with diet and physical health. The main difference now is that it doesn't happen at the drop of a hat and at inopportune times, like when I was young (thankfully).

 

[Rational1]

I'm in my mid-50s, and in very good physical athletic shape. I can say that I maybe I have 10% loss of erectile performance from when I was 30. I really do think most of it has to do with diet and physical health. The main difference now is that it doesn't happen at the drop of a hat and at inopportune times, like when I was young (thankfully).

It does. The explosion of ED product sales is because a lot of men are out of shape and straight up fat. There is a false equivalency being portrayed in this thread between male and female fertility by certain posters.

The reality is if a man takes care of himself he can be fertile even into his 70s or 80s. Some actors have recently had children at those ages. For most women past say 40, it takes continuous rounds of scientific fertilization.

 

[Blade Runner]

It does. The explosion of ED product sales is because a lot of men are out of shape and straight up fat. There is a false equivalency being portrayed in this thread between male and female fertility by certain posters.

The reality is if a man takes care of himself he can be fertile even into his 70s or 80s. Some actors have recently had children at those ages. For most women past say 40, it takes continuous rounds of scientific fertilization.

It goes along with the associated or correlated findings of a society in which the masculinity of women, whether in action, appearance or sentiment is also increasing. Something that is not brought up commonly is that as the boom happened, the overall quality of both men and women went down. What's funny is that a lot of times either "side" won't bring that up. I bring it up and explain it all the time.

One thing that can also be said, and I of course can tell you (as anyone with common sense, of any sex might be able to) that compared to your 20-something year old self of course you won't be as optimal of a "functioner", is that the many women are out of the window where men find them supremely attractive, or nature will make arousal maximal. That by definition only matters for men in terms of "performance" due to women not having to do anything, technically, for performance in the literal sense.

The top 3 things that explain the PDE5 inhibitor use are women's age/physical attractiveness at all time lows, surplus of men (including lower average and higher numbers of low quality men), and hookup culture.

 

[Samseau]

^ It's interesting that there hasn't been any push back at all regarding this thought. Men taking Viagra (or other hormonal therapies) at 50+ (or whatever) to get a woman pregnant is not natural fertility. A man might still produce healthy sperm in his testes at that age but...

Yes but to test this theory you'd need to take that 50+ year old man, with his 30-40 year old wife, and present him with an 18 year old girl. I'd bet he'll have no problems getting an erection for the 18 yr old.

ED products are more to help with the declining attractiveness of the woman, as hurtful as that reality may be.

 

[Australia Sucks]

Yes but to test this theory you'd need to take that 50+ year old man, with his 30-40 year old wife, and present him with an 18 year old girl. I'd bet he'll have no problems getting an erection for the 18 yr old.

ED products are more to help with the declining attractiveness of the woman, as hurtful as that reality may be.

That’s certainly true to an extent but also men’s erections become harder to achieve with age.

For most men they get an erection for a merely average looking woman when they are 18 and extremely horny but by they time they are 40 in many cases they will need a woman that is actually attractive to be able to get an erection as an average woman will no longer suffice. But yes give a 50 year old man a top tier attractive 18 year old woman and there will usually be no erection issues.

 

[Blade Runner]

Samseau repeated what I said in a direct way, but there are a few more things to point out that women might not understand, since it is not part of their reality: the Coolidge effect, which is just desire for variation or newness, and something that might help erections, which is increasing (emotional) attachment or being used to a woman. Sadly, the latter is generally less strong than a new woman, for obvious evolutionary reasons.

 

[starlight]

Thanks to everyone who responded. Your comments were interesting. From what you guys explained, I think my original comment would be more correct (within the scope of the fertility discussion) if instead of saying that ED medications extend male fertility, they give some men who are literally not fit enough to reproduce the chance at procreation. This ties in well with the growing dysgenic population where there are, for example, 300/400 pound homely looking couples having children. I always wondered "How??" Now I know lol...