Money and Resources in Courtship, Dating and Marriage

It goes well many times actually unless you are dating the super gold digger types. I know you are going to revert back to 'you are making personal attacks and therefore your arguments are invalid' again when I say this but this is a reason why I pointed your lack of experience with women and lack of social contact with the outside world outside of work/internet/podcasts in general means you have no idea what dating dynamics are like.

Remember you are the guy that has said right in on this thread today that you absolutely refuse to date and that you've never had a girlfriend so I have no idea how you are able to be so sure of your opinion when you have nothing to base it off of besides something you heard on a podcast.
 
Wutang said:
It goes well many times actually unless you are dating the super gold digger types. I know you are going to revert back to 'you are making personal attacks and therefore your arguments are invalid' again when I say this but this is a reason why I pointed your lack of experience with women and lack of social contact with the outside world outside of work/internet/podcasts in general means you have no idea what dating dynamics are like.

Remember you are the guy that has said right in on this thread today that you absolutely refuse to date and that you've never had a girlfriend so I have no idea how you are able to be so sure of your opinion when you have nothing to base it off of besides something you heard on a podcast.
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Yea, sure, I hope no one here believes women are desiring men who make less money than they do and want to split the check.
 
Douglas Quaid has posted a lot about his positive interactions with young women and he just indicated he isn't rolling in dough. Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that he's actually putting himself out there and has integrated himself into a faith community and isn't just podcast-theorizing and intentionally avoiding any sort of romantic contact with women.
 
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Douglas Quaid has posted a lot about his positive interactions with young women and he just indicated he isn't rolling in dough. Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that he's actually putting himself out there and has integrated himself into a faith community and isn't just podcast-theorizing and intentionally avoiding any sort of romantic contact with women.
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I have no idea who that is, nor do I care about NAXLT. I discuss the broken society we have and what we face, not only in our lives, but beyond our life.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
I have no idea who that is, nor do I care about NAXLT. I discuss the broken society we have and what we face, not only in our lives, but beyond our life.
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MrRedsquare said:
But they will only listen to guidance if you're either tall (6ft) or good looking and jacked.

So what you're advising doesn't match reality.
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It's going to depend on the woman, and how serious they are about faith and getting married. A good woman will see the potential in a man with a future and be there during his growth.

I'm just under 5'10, have about $5000 to my name and make $22/hr.
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The money thing can also be a double-edged sword. If you have a job that society deems as prestigious and high paying like a doctor, lawyer, or Ivy League finance bro type, you might attract more golddiggers and types that may be unpleasant in the long run.

Are they really interested in you or the lifestyle? It’s hard to tell and women can put on a mask and keep the charade going for a long time before the claws come out.

On the other hand if you have a job with a general title say a senior manager most women would have no idea what you make and will try to put you into some type of heirarchy or box.

The other point perception is reality and many women are kind of dumb when it comes to this. You may have a decent amount stashed but you’re not flashy so women conclude you’re broke. You don’t have Big D energy because you’re not driving a Benz and going out to the most expensive restaurants every night. Same goes with some tradesmen who may earn more than their corporate counterparts but if you tell your prospective date you’re a garbage man or a welder many assume you are a loser. There is no basis in reality for these determinations by many women.

On the money point, that’s what makes dating harder as you age. If you’re in your 20s most men have nothing so if a women chooses you she is doing it for your potential and other factors. That goes out the window as you get older because of course all 35+ year old men are totally established with millions in the bank because that’s what the fraudster ig influencer she follows on social media says. Most of their standards are a joke.

I think that checking out of the dating game in the west and being happy with solitude is better for the mental health of most men. It’s that versus dealing with constant flaking, mood swings, whoredom, cheating, or worse getting divorced and taken to the cleaners if you choose poorly which seems like a 50/50 proposition at this point.

You could also integrate heavily into a religious or church community, which you should be doing anyway but mainly for your own spiritual salvation. While this may eventually bear fruit in the dating department, it could take a long time, or never bear any fruit at all.
 
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Back when Roosh was in full game mode he said he was getting the most women when he unemployed and living in his dad's basement. He had a professional white collar career as a microbiologist prior to that yet that wasn't the era he was the most successful with women. Keep in mind he was in the DC area which is yuppie central with tons of those high power career women types so if there was an area where women would tbe super judgmental of a mans lack of career prospects or money yet he was having the most success when he was at the bottom of his wealth potential.
 
Wutang said:
Back when Roosh was in full game mode he said he was getting the most women when he unemployed and living in his dad's basement. He had a professional white collar career as a microbiologist prior to that yet that wasn't the era he was the most successful with women. Keep in mind he was in the DC area which is yuppie central with tons of those high power career women types so if there was an area where women would tbe super judgmental of a mans lack of career prospects or money yet he was having the most success when he was at the bottom of his wealth potential.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but from the limited exposure I had to his writings he was in his 20s and going after hipsters/hippie women. In your 20s the vast majority of women don’t care about money much at all and are all about fun. That tends to change as men and women get older. There is a big difference between a man who is 25 and living in a basement and a man who is 40 and doing the same thing. The latter is just sad.

So the argument that money and wealth doesn’t matter is flawed. It depends on the age range of both the men and the women he is pursuing.

He was also in the market of selling the advice that ‘game is all you need’ which is naive and incorrect, but for the market he was selling to it struck a tone. It was the same reason the other pick up guys espoused things like that ignoring that there are a multitude of factors that go into the attraction formula.
 
If I recall correctly Roosh was encountering a whole swathe of different women including hipsters but also these boss babes types when he was prowling the DC area. I recall lots of complaints about how the women he kept encountering were the professional I don't need a man because I have a fake career types.

I would say that as you get older money matters more but more in the sense that you don't want to be the guy living in your dad's basement and not so much women are going to automatically write you off because you split the bill with them. That sort of stuff isn't that common from my own experiences as well as the experiences of guys I know but if you are constantly listening to these red pill podcasts where they intentionally seek out OF models and sugar babies as guests which I suspect INMT does then you'll think it's everywhere.

It might be a generational issue too - it seems like millennial women (who are mostly in their 30s now) just don't just care that much about having a guy as a provider. I actually know quite a few couples where the women is the breadwinner which is supporting the husband/boyfriend while he pursues his dream of being an artist or musician or personal trainer or whatever non professional job he has.
 
I've seen too many chumps use lack of money as an excuse. And if it isn't money, it's their height. If it isn't their height, it's their looks. The funny thing is, I've seen some of them work their way up to the money they thought they needed, and they still didn't get any play. Meanwhile, I see girls buying guys dinners and paying for their gas. No matter how you slice it, the first thing that will help you out is to eliminate your whiney, copey mindset.
 
Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
Don't know if Roosh spoke about this himself because all that was before my time, but I have a theory.

At work a man can not express himself in a masculine way, or even in a neutral, logical way, which is also masculine, or a woman he works with will complain to the women in HR.

When you're unemployed or otherwise not obligated to the feminine paradigm of behavioral modification, you probably revert to masculinity.

Here's an example of a computer programmer explaining how men have to walk on eggshells around women at work.

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There's also the aspect of how guys who think their careers or wealth is a big source will want to use it as a sort of DHV but a lot of times they'll do it in a very direct and boring way. One of the things that would come up with PUA advice on dates is that too many guys treat it as a job interview where they'll list their accomplishments and then be surprised when the woman dries up in response.

I'm surprised that guys who have been in this community for so long have trouble understanding this even if they weren't necessarily into actively doing the PUA thing back in the day. I remember back in the old day of the forums there was the debate/meme about whether you should pay for appetizers with the general idea being that if you start spending money on a woman that puts you into the beta provider role which is the actual date killer not splitting a check like some people are claiming on here very strongly. One of the old school Mystery tips was to NOT buy drinks for women for the same reason yet you have guys insisting that spending money is the way to go to be successful with women. I would expect blue pill people to be making this argument not guys that are aware of all the red pill dating strategies
 
analyst_green said:
I'm pretty sure driving a flashy car gives you small D energy. Overcompensating for something.

At least that's what I tell myself every time I shift into first in my economical, 12 year-old Japanese import and floor it for a whopping 100 hp.
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Isn't a lot of that just location and peer group dependent?
For example: Southern California girls care about different things than girls from say the rural Midwest vs. urban Texas.
I've seen in some conservative Christian circles where a young man (16-20) having a jacked up diesel truck is a big hit with the ladies. There is only a small window of time where it's really a 'status symbol' but the guys who capitalize on it can have their pick of the litter.
 
Wutang said:
Money is absolutely overrated when it comes to how attractive it makes you towards women in the West unless we're talking about millionaire level. I thought a big red pill talking point is how women in the west are given these fake jobs if they are middle to upper class or welfare if they are lower class which means they no longer have to rely on men for resources so they'll instead go for height, looks, 'rizz' and such. Without naming names, I don't think it's a confidence that the posters on here that have talked about how they are wealthy are also the ones are perpetually single and the ones most prone to complain about the "Woman Question" and also the ones who seem to have the least amount of relationship experience despite their wealth.
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Height, looks, rizz… you might be able to get a ONS with that or have a short term situationship with those things. Honestly on Roosh V 1.0 that was the game so that’s what you’d want to maximize. Back when I had some success it was the late 00s early 10s social media was young so idk if that was a factor in making it easier. None of them wanted to become “official” and they always had a boyfriend a couple weeks later and stopped talking to me. Mission accomplished? 😁

However, It’s terrible for family formation and long game because you’re always going to get dumped for a guy who has height, looks, rizz… oh and that other overrated thing too. She’ll find some ick to blame it on too when that moment comes.

With that being said, Roosh did have regrets running a game forum. Could we as Christians justify preaching game if your theory is correct to bring back family formation? It’s Roosh’s salvation and he’s ultimately the one who has to stand before God, but he could’ve pivoted if your comment is the case and have the angle “he’s trying to make Christians better …uh… fishermen”
 
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Wutang said:
One of the old school Mystery tips was to NOT buy drinks for women for the same reason yet you have guys insisting that spending money is the way to go to be successful with women.
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fun story from the past, I’d flip it around and make them buy me drinks and often times actually it worked
 
KulturedKaveman said:
fun story from the past, I’d flip it around and make them buy me drinks and often times actually it worked
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I recall one of the go to responses that I heard get recommended in 'the community ' was to say that you'll buy the next round if she buys the first round.

In the past I've actually had girls pay for my stuff too during a date and I would see them again later. INMT on this thread was super insistent that this would never happen and that an American woman would never accept it even though I've seen it happen for myself and other guys I knew. There was an even a poster in this thread that has regularly talked about going out with younger women at his church but for some reason he thought his non experience troubled the experience of other people.This reminded me of the old Roosh V forums rules against keyboard jockeying and why it existed to prevent socially non experienced members from giving advice that wasn't based on anything but theories in their own head or what they read online.
 
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