The Destruction of Modern Women

[Blade Runner]

So, many women in the USA would not accept you have a very limited budget, even if it is way better than most other men can provide, if you decide to not be her workhorse. They would see if unfair that they have to "sacrifice" so you can decide to not have to work.

The number of economic/frugal women (to marry) in general has probably gone from half in the 1960s (where the next 25% were probably still reasonable, just women spenders), to crazy lows in the last 20 years. Especially if you are in the middle class to upper middle class that provided for daughters. So few of these know anything about any skills to care for her people or make a home, they just went to school and think they'll pay others to basically do things and raise their family. That honestly has been a large part of the "model" since women started going to uni, taking on debt, and then working (higher) paying jobs.

 

[analyst_green]

I agree with everything you said, except the liberal v. conservative view point.

While you are correct, women in the USA, especially the middle of the country are more likely to be "conservative" than women in Europe, what exactly does this mean? And in asking this question, I want to compare liberal women of Europe with conservative women of the USA. I will leave out liberal women in the USA, because they are pretty much the most selfish/disgusting people on the planet.

This thought came to me a few months back, when I realized I no longer had to work, as I had achieved my financial goals.

The liberal European women want to truly be equal, in that they want to pay for things and take care of their man and work jobs and be productive. I don't prefer this to a woman that wants to stay home, but it seems their desire at equality is truly noble, even if not desirable for raising a family.

The conservative USA women want to let their man "lead" as in they either work low stress jobs or don't work at all, and the man has the say in how the money is spent. This sounds great on the surface, but the more you look beyond the surface , you see it is manipulation. Sure, their man controls the money, as long as they get their way, and if they don't they throw a fit and make his life hell. This isn't true of all USA conservative women, but it is true of many. Capitalism and competing with their friends remains very important for them. Then the pressure of providing the best of your best for you children, private schools, unaffordable college, a home in a "safe neighborhood", on and on, it never ends. I don't blame the women for this, I blame capitalism.

So, given these two situations, lets say you have $2,000,000 and are burned out on working. You want to semi-retire and take it easy and enjoy life.

Most European women would think this is amazing, they would be happy to be with a man like this and would enjoy the life style this could afford and probably keep working if they wanted more consumer items.

Many conservative women would not accept this. Because you can always keep working and make more and provide even more for them. Newer cars, bigger house, more showing off for friends she doesn't even like, better stuff for the kids, to show them off too.

I have nothing in common with the women who think life is about work and buying things, no matter if they are liberal or conservative. I could change a European liberal woman with love and kindness, they have the foundation for a better way of thinking and living. I don't think I could change a conservative woman into accepting not the best of the best but enjoying life and free time, when I am supposed to be her "man" aka work-horse.

But yea, overall, you are correct, European women are a dream v. American women, and that is without getting into how much better they look and dress v. USA women.

Yes you are spot on. I detest the consumerism here. I hate the huge strip malls, I hate how you can't walk anywhere and there's no life on the streets because everyone's in their cars. But I'm expecting a major market correction soon and there shall be a reckoning. That's really the only thing that will wake women up en masse.

Yet at the same time I stay in the US because of the money. If I were to work the same job in Europe, I might make only 50 to 60% of what I'm making now. That's really the only thing we excel at, the financial situation which isn't even that great anymore for Gen Z.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Yes you are spot on. I detest the consumerism here. I hate the huge strip malls, I hate how you can't walk anywhere and there's no life on the streets because everyone's in their cars. But I'm expecting a major market correction soon and there shall be a reckoning. That's really the only thing that will wake women up en masse.

Yet at the same time I stay in the US because of the money. If I were to work the same job in Europe, I might make only 50 to 60% of what I'm making now. That's really the only thing we excel at, the financial situation which isn't even that great anymore for Gen Z.

I stay in the USA due to my family and my aging mother. That is really the only reason I stay around. I imagine I will just remain here, but I am becoming a lot more serious about moving to Europe every year, so, I guess we will see where life leads me.

 

[Douglas Quaid]

But they will only listen to guidance if you're either tall (6ft) or good looking and jacked.

So what you're advising doesn't match reality.

It's going to depend on the woman, and how serious they are about faith and getting married. A good woman will see the potential in a man with a future and be there during his growth.

I'm just under 5'10, have about $5000 to my name and make $22/hr.

 

[Mrs TexasJenn]

Not sure if it applies to you but I would not correlate "desire to be led" with "submission". Men shouldn't stroke their own ego, prematurely.
A woman might want to you to lead, but getting a woman to submit to you is a whole different thing.

I had to learn that submitting is sonething you should do not only when your man is a great leader. Trust me, it's extremely difficult to submit when your man isn't necessarily making the best decisions. My husband can be a good leader, but like most men, sometimes he resists the responsibility, is lazy, distracted, selfish, worldly, etc. I had to learn and am still learning that submission in essence is about submitting to the will of God. That means adhering to the natural order of man as head of the family and woman as his helper and supporter - even when decisions and conditions are less than ideal.

 

[MrRedsquare]

I had to learn that submitting is sonething you should do not only when your man is a great leader. Trust me, it's extremely difficult to submit when your man isn't necessarily making the best decisions. My husband can be a good leader, but like most men, sometimes he resists the responsibility, is lazy, distracted, selfish, worldly, etc. I had to learn and am still learning that submission in essence is about submitting to the will of God. That means adhering to the natural order of man as head of the family and woman as his helper and supporter - even when decisions and conditions are less than ideal.

It sounds like you're the boss.

A disrespectful, entitled, hidden feminist one as well.

 

[Mrs TexasJenn]

It sounds like you're the boss.

A disrespectful, entitled, hidden feminist one as well.

If it makes me an evil feminist to acknowledge that my husband is a human being with flaws like the rest of us including myself, after lavishing him with praise all over this forum, okee dokee.

 

[Servant of Christ]

It sounds like you're the boss.

A disrespectful, entitled, hidden feminist one as well.

What she wrote about me is fair and accurate. She has put up with a lot of bs from me and has stuck by me and made tremendous progress as a wife and Christian and for her to say this publicly takes a great deal of courage and humility.

Meanwhile, for you to say what you did demonstrates a lack of humility and love. I hereby invite you to reconsider your rude comment and apologize to my wife. Hopefully there will not be a need to escalate this any further.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Take care & God bless.

In Christ,

SoC

 

[Droughtmeat]

Now that you've mentioned American hypergamy and delusional women, I recall a conversation between a former NBA player that I know personally and was in Rome frequently when I lived there.

He got in a conversation with an American expat girl. He's actually very humble, but they eventually start talking about their careers. After which she says "Finally, I get to meet a decent guy". Anything below that was below the standard she set.

 

[GrecoRoman]

Now that you've mentioned American hypergamy and delusional women, I recall a conversation between a former NBA player that I know personally and was in Rome frequently when I lived there.

He got in a conversation with an American expat girl. He's actually very humble, but they eventually start talking about their careers. After which she says "Finally, I get to meet a decent guy". Anything below that was below the standard she set.

This level of delusion is becoming more commonplace. This is an entirely separate discussion but my thought is that’s it’s social media algorithms that cause this. I still can’t believe how many people think that stuff is real. A few years ago some people thought that Liver King guy was natural. I mean how stupid can you be. But he had one of the most popular pages for years.

A regular woman sees one ig ho date a professional athlete and they all start thinking it’s the norm or achievable.

 

[Australia Sucks]

I agree 100%. Women are like clay. Currently, bad, evil men are grabbing them up and shaping them into abominable creations.

Please stop making excuses for women. Most modern women are awful long before they get destroyed by Chad they are attention whoring on social media and their brain is already fried.

And western women literally go out of their way to choose bad men and reject the good men. Women will reject the nice guy but boring accountant who works in their office then start dating a career criminal thug who has been in and out of prison his whole life. Good men cannot scoop them up if they don’t want to be with a good man.

 

[GrecoRoman]

Please stop making excuses for women. Most modern women are awful long before they get destroyed by Chad they are attention whoring on social media and their brain is already fried.

And western women literally go out of their way to choose bad men and reject the good men. Women will reject the nice guy but boring accountant who works in their office then start dating a career criminal thug who has been in and out of prison his whole life. Good men cannot scoop them up if they don’t want to be with a good man.

I see this as choosing the right candidate for a job or in this case marriage. Some women are broken and there’s not much we can do about it beyond a miracle from God. For one St. Mary of Egypt there are millions who never recover from the whoredom.

 

[Australia Sucks]

If my husband hadn't assertively and aggressively scooped me up, I'd still be trying to find someone decent among all these fallen, captured men, or more likely, I'd have given up and gone the nun route.

Again we have talked about this before and it’s pure nonsense. There is no shortage of good men. This is just woman speak.

What you really mean is there is shortage of good men who also meet all the other materialistic criteria and are over 6 feet tall, muscular, earn 6 figures, have social status, etc. If you want an average man who is morally good there are plenty of those and I am sure you meet a bunch of them in your local churches before you married your husband (but they likely don’t meet your materialistic criteria).

Please stop trying to shift blame onto men when it’s clearly women who are to blame.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Back when Roosh was in full game mode he said he was getting the most women when he unemployed and living in his dad's basement. He had a professional white collar career as a microbiologist prior to that yet that wasn't the era he was the most successful with women. Keep in mind he was in the DC area which is yuppie central with tons of those high power career women types so if there was an area where women would tbe super judgmental of a mans lack of career prospects or money yet he was having the most success when he was at the bottom of his wealth potential.

Don't know if Roosh spoke about this himself because all that was before my time, but I have a theory.

At work a man can not express himself in a masculine way, or even in a neutral, logical way, which is also masculine, or a woman he works with will complain to the women in HR.

When you're unemployed or otherwise not obligated to the feminine paradigm of behavioral modification, you probably revert to masculinity.

Here's an example of a computer programmer explaining how men have to walk on eggshells around women at work.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

The funny thing is, I've seen some of them work their way up to the money they thought they needed, and they still didn't get any play.

Did they try cold approaching prostitutes?

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

Did they try cold approaching prostitutes?

No, but that is exactly who the blue pill, white collar chumps are for.

 

[starlight]

Isn't a lot of that just location and peer group dependent?
For example: Southern California girls care about different things than girls from say the rural Midwest vs. urban Texas.
I've seen in some conservative Christian circles where a young man (16-20) having a jacked up diesel truck is a big hit with the ladies. There is only a small window of time where it's really a 'status symbol' but the guys who capitalize on it can have their pick of the litter.

I'm pretty sure driving a flashy car gives you small D energy. Overcompensating for something.

At least that's what I tell myself every time I shift into first in my economical, 12 year-old Japanese import and floor it for a whopping 100 hp.

Good/nice girls are uninterested/revolted by anything that gives off "douche" vibes, as in excessive materialism or narcissism whether it be expensive cars/lifted-trucks, being "jacked", or "looks maxing."

I still don't understand the "looks-maxing" and being "jacked." Most normal Christian women see excessive muscles as a red-flag. And looks-maxing is just gay. The interesting thing I've noticed is that the being "jacked" is mostly 35+ guys while the looks-maxing guys are 20s.

Just be yourself.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

And looks-maxing is just gay.

Is skin care for a man gay, or what about maintaining low BF%, or grooming? Like, a man who takes care of himself doesn’t seem gay, I feel this is some weird notion which holds men back.

Just be yourself.

Some can point to extreme measures as bad but the basics of looksmaxxing don’t seem gay, I think women just want a man to “just be”, as opposed to engaging in self-improvement. It was common knowledge on the old forum to never mention using game, because that came across as “fake.”

 

[MrRedsquare]

What she wrote about me is fair and accurate. She has put up with a lot of bs from me and has stuck by me and made tremendous progress as a wife and Christian and for her to say this publicly takes a great deal of courage and humility. Meanwhile for you to say what you did demonstrates a lack of humility and love and I humbly invite you to reconsider your rude comment and apologize to my wife. Hopefully there won't be a need to escalate things any further.

Take care & God bless.

In Christ,

SoC

For the record, I didn't write this "but like most men, sometimes he resists the responsibility, is lazy, distracted, selfish, worldly, etc"

You think it's courage and humility, I find it disrespectful, I guess we are just different. What happens between a man and wife is their business.

That is how entitled, privileged women talk and act. I should know, I've interacted with hundreds of them, literally.

You allow your wife to post on a public Christian forum for mainly men, and are upset when someone disagrees and hurts her feelings.

Privilege is invisible to those who have it.

Women - post gas-lighting, insulting drivel. Like they are some special prize princesses - Gets called out, runs to hubby to save the damsel in distress, what's new.

Zero accountability.

I just love the blaming men narrative with statements like - "awful food that wrecks their masculinity, etc" repeating information to men who are already awake to it. Meanwhile the average weight of a woman in the US is a 170lbs. I'm in England, surrounded by overweight single mothers who also think they are the prize.

Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

1 Timothy 2:11-12

Peace and God bless.

 

[Droughtmeat]

Is skin care for a man gay, or what about maintaining low BF%, or grooming? Like, a man who takes care of himself doesn’t seem gay, I feel this is some weird notion which holds men back.

I agree. Being in good physical shape is essentially all the "Looks maxing" men need. Influencers have hijacked this basic concept and coined this corny term, while also encouraging men to use very specific skin products, in addition to training their biceps from a specific angle.

All of that is mostly garbage. But if guys focus on basic human movements, like sprinting, jumping, pulling and pushing, they most likely look and feel better.