Martial Arts/MMA Thread

Strickland has a jab heavy style that tends to lead to decisions and ones that can be close. His lost to Dricuss was close and I'm guessing the result will be the same.

UFC never got super into politics and activism the same way other sport leagues did when it was fashionable with the exception of celebrating Gay Pride Month. Dana White himself does get involved in politics but the organization itself never did the same with the NFL or other leagues such as putting on BLM spots.
 
Guys, forgive me for such a silly question, but my son will begin training BJJ this month after he turns 4.

He has never been vaccinated for anything and of course I know what rolling on mats and being exposed to physical contact with other kids means as far as passing "stuff."

Would any of you fathers have any apprehensions about letting your son begin at such a young age? I know this might sound contradictory due to the fact that I purposely didn't vaccinate him to protect him, but it took a great deal of effort to convince my wife to leave our son and daughter free from vaccines.

He's very healthy, never sick, sharp, but just trying to cover my bases. He will be homeschooled, we live on a lake 25 minutes from a town, so he'll need some peer interaction and he's starting to bounce off the walls.
 
Brebelle3 said:
Guys, forgive me for such a silly question, but my son will begin training BJJ this month after he turns 4.

He has never been vaccinated for anything and of course I know what rolling on mats and being exposed to physical contact with other kids means as far as passing "stuff."

Would any of you fathers have any apprehensions about letting your son begin at such a young age? I know this might sound contradictory due to the fact that I purposely didn't vaccinate him to protect him, but it took a great deal of effort to convince my wife to leave our son and daughter free from vaccines.

He's very healthy, never sick, sharp, but just trying to cover my bases. He will be homeschooled, we live on a lake 25 minutes from a town, so he'll need some peer interaction and he's starting to bounce off the walls.
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No I won't worry about it. Bigger concern is staph infection so make sure the place is clean.
 
Brebelle3 said:
Guys, forgive me for such a silly question, but my son will begin training BJJ this month after he turns 4.

He has never been vaccinated for anything and of course I know what rolling on mats and being exposed to physical contact with other kids means as far as passing "stuff."

Would any of you fathers have any apprehensions about letting your son begin at such a young age? I know this might sound contradictory due to the fact that I purposely didn't vaccinate him to protect him, but it took a great deal of effort to convince my wife to leave our son and daughter free from vaccines.

He's very healthy, never sick, sharp, but just trying to cover my bases. He will be homeschooled, we live on a lake 25 minutes from a town, so he'll need some peer interaction and he's starting to bounce off the walls.
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Never wrestled without it, people are nasty.


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If anyone has seen the Logan Paul vs Floyd Mayweather fight it shows just how much size matters. Floyd Mayweather although retired and old for a fighter was still in great shape and very fit. Logan Paul was very young, big and in good shape but pretty much an amateur fighter. Floyd Mayweather won the fight but he didn't exactly destroy Logan Paul or knock him out. To be fair Floyd Mayweather did hold back and could have gone harder and it wasn't a serious fight but still it really demonstrates why there are weight divisions in professional fighting and how size matters just as much as skill.



Obviously that was horseplay and likely even staged but even still the fact that Gorilla Monsoon picked up Muhammed Ali so easily and threw him down. If the ground was concrete he would have been injured. I mean it just shows how much size matters in a fight when both fighters have a least some level of skill even if one is world class and the other isn't.
 
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Obviously that was horseplay and likely even staged but even still the fact that Gorilla Monsoon picked up Muhammed Ali so easily and threw him down. If the ground was concrete he would have been injured. I mean it just shows how much size matters in a fight when both fighters have a least some level of skill even if one is world class and the other isn't.
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This is 100% staged. This is from the WWE Youtube page. In case you don't know being from Australia, WWE is the biggest American pro wrestling company. They also had this as a match

 
Wutang said:
This is 100% staged. This is from the WWE Youtube page. In case you don't know being from Australia, WWE is the biggest American pro wrestling company. They also had this as a match

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That was a pretty awesome take down! I know it's staged, but getting an arm bar across the neck and face and going down hard on your back is fairly real.
 
Also Tyson Fury is actually pretty skilled AND has size - hence why he was the champ for a while. Most guys his size and length would be lumbering oafs but Fury is agile and limber with great defensive skills. It's why he's such an anomaly. If he only had the size but without the speed and dexterity I don't think he would have gotten to the level he did.

Check him out at 6:00 here



There's also Mike Tyson who was undersized as a heavyweight.
 
Wutang said:
Also Tyson Fury is actually pretty skilled AND has size - hence why he was the champ for a while. Most guys his size and length would be lumbering oafs but Fury is agile and limber with great defensive skills. It's why he's such an anomaly. If he only had the size but without the speed and dexterity I don't think he would have gotten to the level he did.

Check him out at 6:00 here



There's also Mike Tyson who was undersized as a heavyweight.
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I am not saying Tyson Fury has no skill just rather that his skill level is unremarkable for a professional and he is certainly no Muhammad Ali.

Yes Mike Tyson was shorter than most of his opponents but he was stocky. Sure he also weighed less than many of his opponents. Not saying size is the only thing that matters by the way. Just saying that it is a factor that is very important.

Also just as an aside I personally do not like boxing as a martial art. Just the fact that only punches are allowed and huge gloves are used distorts peoples foot work, hand guard, head movements and all manner of other things. It teaches people a lot of bad habits relative to what would be likely to go on in a real fight. That being said if somebody is as good as a Floyd Mayweather or Mike Tyson or something obviously they are still going to be effective in a real fight, but put up a prime Muhammed Ali or Mike Tyson or Floyd Mayweather against a top tier UFC fighter and they would stand no chance.
 
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I practiced karate for a long time when I was younger but haven't trained it for around 10 years. Just last week I started freestyle wrestling. I am completely new to wrestling so its a challenge for me and doubly so since I am out of shape now (trying to get back into shape with wrestling, cycling and going to the gym).

I would say though that freestyle wrestling feels very sportised which limits its effectiveness in a real fight. During sparring all the guys were often keeping their heads low, going for leg take downs from a distance, standing within punching range, etc. All stuff that in a real fight would cause you to get multiple knees and punches to the head. I felt like the only ones who would have had a chance to beat me in a real fight were the instructors. So like boxing it does work if you get good enough but I would question the real life utility for the average student who practices casually even those who have been training 5+ years.

But for now it will get the job done of teaching me some basic take-downs, groundwork etc then perhaps later down the track I can look at things like Judo, Sambo, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, etc.

The wrestling training has been tough for me as I am unfit compared to other guys in the class currently. But its a great workout.
 
Moves like gut wrenches to score points in freestyle wrestling are examples of something that was purely designed for the purposes on scoring points within a rule-set - there's pretty much no application for moves that to a fight.

That said there's a reason why wrestling is seen as the best base for MMA. It just really teaches you how to control and hold an opponent like no other art does - including BJJ. Joe Rogan has commented before about how wrestlers (and judokas) just have this grappling strength that you feel once they get ahold of you even if it looks like they don't have a lot of muscle on them. That's just hours and hours of muscle memory and instinct developed from years of mat work.
 


Around 10 minutes in the video he talks about bouncers in Sweden who picked a fight with him. Back in the day I had a few instances of idiot bouncers who for no reason tried to start a fight with me. I walked away rather than kicking their ass because I did not want the legal headaches or injury risk. But I don't know why so many clubs hire aggressive morons as bouncers. Huge liability for a business.
 
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