Lounge of The Russian-Ukrainian War

[PurpleUrkel]

The use of containerized weapon systems to attack strategic assets have been theorized for a long time.

Was the Trojan Horse a container?

Definitely a watershed moment in combat history. And a clear wake-up call to all those who do not take issue with foreign/Chinese ownership of vast tracts of land adjoining US military installations.

Fake news in the sense that there is nothing new under the sun. Humans over the age of 30 living in the US right now will not see this in their lifetime. Maybe in some AI-drone controlled dystopian future something crazy will happen, but most likely it's just a doom-piller's wet dream to see something bad happen en masse to Americans and America. Nothing to see here... moving on...

... if it is true they've lost a 3rd of their airfleet, then it's a major set back for Russia and there's no way they can keep sustaining such loses over the years. They'd need to end this thing quick and start rerebuilding.

We have officially crossed the Rubicon of AI deep fakes and there is no longer anyway to know anything about anything unless you see it with your own two eyes. Are we sure this happened exactly the way it is being reported? No. My hypothesis is and has been that this war is fake in the sense that it is not what it appears to be. It appears to be two sides attacking each other with "losses" but I say it is (((one side))) attacking itself for gains.

Who benefits from this endless military blunder where nothing is ever reported or "analyzed" correctly? "Oh, it's a special limited military operation that will last three months," "Actually, scratch that, this is a full blown war that will take years to win," "Actually, a peace will be negotiated very soon," "Oops, sorry about that incorrect information, actually the (((two sides))) can't come to an agreement and nuclear holocaust is imminent."

We are being played by the usual suspects. But don't believe your lying eyes.

This war is a top to bottom AI 4D chess super computer jew psy-op "game." Ain't it fun?

Every. Single. Time.

 

[TruckDriver9]

Was the Trojan Horse a container?

Horse shape doesn't meet ISO standards.

 

[Caduceus]

Yeah we have been discussing it here for a long time now; I should have been more specific in saying the so-called "leaders" and politicians, particularly the UA and UA supporters don't seem to be taking it seriously or considering how their actions could affect others.

It's always been the (((Ukraine leader's))) main goal to get the entire west directly involved in a nuclear war with the Russians.

 

[Cooper]

Russia's ability to replace these losses - even on the low side - is minimal at best. TU-95s and TU-22s make up the backbone of the fleet and those cannot be replaced. They have only produced two new-build TU-160s in the past two and half years; 50 is very ambitious given the state of affairs.

Sukhoi has only delivered ~22 combat-coded SU-57s over the past fifteen years since the prototype flew; the SU-75 is pretty much vaporware at this point without a single prototype even flying for 4 years after it broke cover.

This is impressive attack politics aside. Definitely a watershed moment in combat history. And a clear wake-up call to all those who do not take issue with foreign/Chinese ownership of vast tracts of land adjoining US military installations.

Su57 production has been low to date because the plane is still in its late design stages. The new engine has only been recently released, and for instance they are switching from the 360 degree vectored thrust to a stealthier, less complex up/down engine nozzle similar to the F22's.

The Tu-160 is an older design although the new production has upgraded avionics, but they are able to scale up production of these planes, just as they were able to churn out tanks and shells like hotcakes.

 

[Australia Sucks]

Its very hard to see the war ending with a peace treaty at this stage. Vladimir Putin has continued to try and negotiate in bad faith. It could work if he asked for only reasonable things such as:
-More freedoms and autonomy for people in the Donbass and Crimea region (However with them still remaining a part of Ukraine)
-An agreement that Ukraine will never join the EU or NATO
-An agreement that Ukraine will never have nuclear weapons or long range missiles
-Partial demilitarization of Ukraine
-All sanctions to be lifted from Russia and their assets to be unfrozen
-A new government that is pro Russia rather than pro west installed in Ukraine (i.e. similar to the pre-Maidan era)

I think those would be reasonable things to ask for. Instead the problem is Putin is trying to turn the whole exercise into a landgrab and wants to annexe a large chunk of Ukraine. Its very hard to have a peace deal under those circumstances hence the war is likely to drag on for now at least.

 

[magoo]

“Bismarck famously stated that "The secret of politics? Make a good treaty with Russia".


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The US is selling large amounts of LNG to Germany to replace the Russian natural gas but the only problem is that its prices are so high that German industry cannot compete on the world market which is starting the de-industrialization of Germany. What was Germany to do?

Germany today as in 1933 is planning to revive its military industrial complex for a war against Russia to gain their natural resources which was the same German basis for the invasion of Russia in 1940. The more things change the more they stay the same. They should be ready to invade Russia by 2032 allied with other European countries. Will Russia wait?

We say follow Bismarck:

Bismarck famously stated that "The secret of politics? Make a good treaty with Russia".

Germany should ally with Russia making them their main supplier of natural gas, oil and agricultural products. Germany will be able to also trade with China via Russia and the three countries can ally together.

The United States can ally with Canada to its north and South America to its south in a similar regional alliance as Germany, Russia and China.

And the moat that separates these powers are the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. The United States should never have become entangled with the European conflicts as the US first President George Washington warned against protected as we are by two huge oceans.

George Washington's "Farewell Address" advocated for a policy of avoiding permanent alliances with foreign nations, urging the United States to remain largely isolated from European conflicts and entanglements. He advised focusing on domestic issues and promoting trade with all nations while minimizing political connections. This stance, while not advocating for complete isolation, influenced a long-standing American foreign policy of non-involvement in European affairs. “

 

[Thomas More]

Its very hard to see the war ending with a peace treaty at this stage. Vladimir Putin has continued to try and negotiate in bad faith. It could work if he asked for only reasonable things such as:
-More freedoms and autonomy for people in the Donbass and Crimea region (However with them still remaining a part of Ukraine)
-An agreement that Ukraine will never join the EU or NATO
-An agreement that Ukraine will never have nuclear weapons or long range missiles
-Partial demilitarization of Ukraine
-All sanctions to be lifted from Russia and their assets to be unfrozen
-A new government that is pro Russia rather than pro west installed in Ukraine (i.e. similar to the pre-Maidan era)

I think those would be reasonable things to ask for. Instead the problem is Putin is trying to turn the whole exercise into a landgrab and wants to annexe a large chunk of Ukraine. Its very hard to have a peace deal under those circumstances hence the war is likely to drag on for now at least.

Putin offered all these things before the war, and was shot down (pun intended). Now he's obviously going to demand more after going to all this trouble.

The West should have accepted the first offer when it was made, but the West wanted this conflict, and thought they would win it. Now that they are not, they have to give up something if they want to get out of this.

 

[Caduceus]

 

[magoo]

Its not west. Its America. This war has no advantage whatsoever to Europe.

American started this with Nuland. Blackmailed Germany with Nordstream bombing. And now because we have US troops stationed in Europe. Most likely Germany will have to attack Russia cause it cannot survive without Russia natural resources. America is putting Germany into a corner saying the only option for them to get gas from Russia is with an invasion. And theres no military to fight against US to expel this lunatics. Which is suicidal. Nobody conquered Russia up to now. And who would want that? Russians weren´t greedy selling their gas at fair prices. They could´ve sold for much more. Much better to have trade flourish between states and population improve their lives. Than bankers wars. But for trade to flourish you need wise rulers. And not retarded imbeciles who fall to the trap of jew bankers wars and their debt. Cause who owns the debt controls the debtor.

The problem is US is broke. A house of cards. Europe is also. But US has the capability of doing serious damage on it´s way down. And will bring a lot with them.

US is not pulling out of NATO. US will use NATO to destroy it´s members.

Where is Trump btw? Was he sleeping? He didnt knew right? If the white house didnt knew he will surely punish Zelensky. For sure right? Right? If he didn´t knew it´s bad. If he knew it´s equally bad. Which is it Trump lovers? Hey but he said the war would have ended on day 1.

Either they tried this to sabotage the peace talks. Or put more pressure into Putin in accepting a peace treaty. Russians went to the peace conference in Istanbul. We will soon find out. A lot of things are theater. They happen in a coordinated manner to cause and create the right perception. Maybe Putin needed this strike to calm his own house and sign a peace deal. Maybe not.

Even during cold war West Germany received gas from Soviet Union. American lunacy is off the rails. Will pass this week by an US embassy to see if they already unpacked their gay flag.

 

[easy_c]

Its very hard to see the war ending with a peace treaty at this stage. Vladimir Putin has continued to try and negotiate in bad faith. It could work if he asked for only reasonable things such as:
-More freedoms and autonomy for people in the Donbass and Crimea region (However with them still remaining a part of Ukraine)
-An agreement that Ukraine will never join the EU or NATO
-An agreement that Ukraine will never have nuclear weapons or long range missiles
-Partial demilitarization of Ukraine
-All sanctions to be lifted from Russia and their assets to be unfrozen
-A new government that is pro Russia rather than pro west installed in Ukraine (i.e. similar to the pre-Maidan era)

I think those would be reasonable things to ask for. Instead the problem is Putin is trying to turn the whole exercise into a landgrab and wants to annexe a large chunk of Ukraine. Its very hard to have a peace deal under those circumstances hence the war is likely to drag on for now at least.

The important piece Westerners miss is, as usual, any attempt to understand the Russian position.

The Russians position is that the West is, in their words, "Agreement Incapable"; meaning that any agreement made will not be honored because either they never intended to (e.g. Minsk Accords) or leadership will change. Therefore there's simply no benefit to engaging in any serious negotiations.

 

[Australia Sucks]

The West should have accepted the first offer when it was made, but the West wanted this conflict,

Yes unfortunately the Biden camp wanted the war. If Trump had originally been re-elected the original terms offered or something close to it would have been accepted by Trump.

 

[Cooper]

The Russian draft memorandum that was handed over to the Ukrainian delegation today has been published.

Russian demands for ending the war:Ukraine must:- legally recognize Crimea, DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory;- observe complete military neutrality, not join any blocs;- downsize the Ukrainian military, with limits both on personnel and weaponry;- disband nationalist military and paramilitary units;- give the Russian language official status and protect the “rights, liberties and interests” of the Russian population;- outlaw all Nazi organizations;- lift all restrictions on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church- lift all mutual sanctions

Russian demands for an immediate ceasefire:Ukraine must:- begin withdrawing its forces from Russian territory- stop mobilization efforts and begin demobilization- stop ALL foreign military aid- remove all third country military personnel from its territory- end martial law- schedule parliamentary and presidential elections no later than 100 days after the end of martial law


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[Australia Sucks]

The Russian draft memorandum that was handed over to the Ukrainian delegation today has been published.

Russian demands for ending the war:Ukraine must:- legally recognize Crimea, DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory;- observe complete military neutrality, not join any blocs;- downsize the Ukrainian military, with limits both on personnel and weaponry;- disband nationalist military and paramilitary units;- give the Russian language official status and protect the “rights, liberties and interests” of the Russian population;- outlaw all Nazi organizations;- lift all restrictions on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church- lift all mutual sanctions

Russian demands for an immediate ceasefire:Ukraine must:- begin withdrawing its forces from Russian territory- stop mobilization efforts and begin demobilization- stop ALL foreign military aid- remove all third country military personnel from its territory- end martial law- schedule parliamentary and presidential elections no later than 100 days after the end of martial law


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This is the main stumbling block. All the other demands Russia is making are very reasonable however the territorial demands are very unreasonable making it unlikely a peace treaty will succeed.

 

[eradicator]

Right. This was their demand from the first day of the war. To have Ukraine write into their constitution that they won’t join the eu or nato,


As for recognizing the new territory, that’s gonna be a sticking point. Maybe. If this war keeps going, (ukraine) could lose everything..

 

[Aldebaran]

Ukraine and their US/European handlers will never accept that. No chance.

 

[eradicator]

Ukraine and their US/European handlers will never accept that. No chance.

You think so? You think we keep giving blank checks to little faggots like zelenskyyy forever?

 

[Droughtmeat]

As for recognizing the new territory, that’s gonna be a sticking point. Maybe. If this war keeps going, (ukraine) could lose everything..

This. If Russia gives back the territories, those ethnic Russians will face eternal persecution and discrimination. In addition, Russia knows it can keep the land, or even continue to occupy more, and there's not much the Ukraine can do about it anyway.

 

[Cooper]

Ukraine and their US/European handlers will never accept that. No chance.

They will make Ukraine fight to the last Ukrainian, that has been the plan all along.

Their war is PR-driven, that is why they emphasize operations like the drone truck airfield bombing, which gave their cause a much-needed shot in the arm as Russia was starting to dominate across the frontlines. Now the NAFO normies are jubilant again. Russia will move in on Sumy, Kharkov and Dnipro oblasts later this year and morale will drop again, until they pull off the next big PR operation...

 

[scary_robot_music]

They will make Ukraine fight to the last Ukrainian, that has been the plan all along.

Their war is PR-driven, that is why they emphasize operations like the drone truck airfield bombing, which gave their cause a much-needed shot in the arm as Russia was starting to dominate across the frontlines. Now the NAFO normies are jubilant again. Russia will move in on Sumy, Kharkov and Dnipro oblasts later this year and morale will drop again, until they pull off the next big PR operation...

Vox Day has made some good observations about this (hopefully) late stage of the Russia-Ukraine war and late WW2 in Europe. Ukraine's Kursk offensive was very similar to the Ardennes offensive (Battle of the Bulge) in late 1944, a bold, desperate attempt by the losing party to change the course of the war by a surprise move that seemed to start out well but inevitably failed and did nothing to change the course of the war.

Also just yesterday Vox drew a parallel between these recent attacks on military airfields in Russia and Germany's introduction of the first operational jet fighters late in WW2. Tactically high effective, German jets shot down over 500 allied aircraft and, once again, in the end did nothing to change the outcome of the war. Much the same as with these Ukrainian drone attacks on Russia. Spectacularly successfully and they provide a temporary boost in morale to the Ukrainians and their supporters but ultimately, they will almost certainly change nothing.

 

[Cooper]

Apparently a Ukrainian immigrant and his wife were part of this operation. The Sun builds them up as masterminds, in order to cover for British intelligence which was most likely the main mastermind and organizer of the operation.

Is THIS ex-DJ 'secret agent' behind world's most daring military op?

VLADIMIR Putin’s goons have accused a Ukrainian ex-DJ of being the spy behind the incredible Operation Spiderweb. The SAS-style strike on Sunday against four airfields deep inside Russia has …

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His wife is a self-proclaimed witch who writes erotic novels.

This kind of postmodern western degeneracy/trash popular culture and feminine hysterical vibe is a mainstay of the Slava Ukraini cult. They want to replace Dostoyevsky with Marvel Comics.